Career Path > Navy:Getting Out
Question About Getting Denuked at Prototype?
Tylor:
You're not being unreasonable, but this is the training pipeline, you're almost at the finish line and you're calling it quits before you even experience your job. Prototype sucks at times, but you could also get ahead in a couple days, everything could click, and you can really start enjoying your job. I struggled on 25-4s through A-School, put in 30 hours a week in power school, and was near the top of my class in prototype. Things clicked for me early on, but as we approached the end of class, I got the chance to help my shipmates and see the light bulbs turn on. Now I'm a staff pickup, and I can tell you all good staff members want you to succeed. Talk to your staff advisor about what they did to get through. There's also no guarantee that there is an easy way out. You could just get separated without benefits.. or go to a job where you have just as much stress without the benefits of nuke.
HydroDave63:
How things have slipped since the good old days of 8304, Lt. Root's HTFF... 0:52 onward
GLW:
--- Quote from: Punnett on Jul 12, 2015, 07:40 ---........I don't want to live to work. I want to work to live. Am I being unreasonable here?
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nope, you're fine, most likely you shoulda stayed a MC, maybe you can go back or try for it on the civilian side,...
--- Quote from: Punnett on Jul 12, 2015, 07:40 ---I think success is relative. Some people want to shoot magnums and drive Benz's and some people want to use their time in the Navy simply as a stepping stone towards other things. I don't think I have the moral authority to judge who's right and who's wrong.
Clearly, society frowns upon the weak willed quitter but, if you force someone who's 5 feet tall play in the NBA and he wants to quit because he's miserable and constantly getting dumpstered on, it's kind of hard to blame the guy. I mean, maybe he can put forth super-human effort and work on his assists or dribbling skills to make up for his deficits, but that's not exactly realistic.
It's a hyperbolic metaphor, but all I'm trying to say is that it's also not realistic for me to work harder and keep on chugging along without being really stressed out and miserable and, to me, that's not worth it even if I can get through the pipeline and collect the fat bonuses. See, I thought 60 hour work weeks were rough--try 84. Holy crap. Meanwhile, my friends who failed out of NNPTC work ~40 hours a week............
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if you still want to be a mass communications specialist you need better metaphors,....
that 5 foot NBA player you held up as an example is looking at a minimum salary which is 10X greater than the USA average or median salary,...
10X greater,...
NBA Minimum Annual Salary Scale (it's a few years out of date, yet consistent with contemporary comparisons)
YOS 2011-2012 2012-2013 2013-2014 2014-2015 2015-2016 2016-2017 2017-2018 2018-2019 2019-2020 2020-2021
0 $473,604 $473,604 $490,180 $507,336 $525,093 $543,471 $562,493 $582,180 $602,557 $623,646
1 $762,195 $762,195 $788,872 $816,482 $845,059 $874,636 $905,249 $936,932 $969,725 $1,003,665
2 $854,389 $854,389 $884,293 $915,243 $947,276 $980,431 $1,014,746 $1,050,262 $1,087,021 $1,125,067
3 $885,120 $885,120 $916,099 $948,163 $981,348 $1,015,696 $1,051,245 $1,088,038 $1,126,120 $1,165,534
4 $915,852 $915,852 $947,907 $981,084 $1,015,421 $1,050,961 $1,087,745 $1,125,816 $1,165,220 $1,206,002
5 $992,680 $992,680 $1,027,424 $1,063,384 $1,100,602 $1,139,123 $1,178,992 $1,220,257 $1,262,966 $1,307,170
6 $1,069,509 $1,069,509 $1,106,942 $1,145,685 $1,185,784 $1,227,286 $1,270,241 $1,314,700 $1,360,714 $1,408,339
7 $1,146,337 $1,146,337 $1,186,459 $1,227,985 $1,270,964 $1,315,448 $1,361,489 $1,409,141 $1,458,461 $1,509,507
8 $1,223,166 $1,223,166 $1,265,977 $1,310,286 $1,356,146 $1,403,611 $1,452,738 $1,503,583 $1,556,209 $1,610,676
9 $1,229,255 $1,229,255 $1,272,279 $1,316,809 $1,362,897 $1,410,598 $1,459,969 $1,511,068 $1,563,956 $1,618,694
10+ $1,352,181 $1,352,181 $1,399,507 $1,448,490 $1,499,187 $1,551,659 $1,605,967 $1,662,176 $1,720,352 $1,780,564
the 5 foot player may garner deep respect for succeeding at what he strives to do, but he will never garner pity from the plight of only earning 10X what anybody else earns in spite of all his hard work,...
because A LOT of people work very hard just to earn that average/median wage, and ofttimes earn a lot less than that,...
so, if you want to make it good as a MC you will have to work harder, because your metaphors employed here on this forum do not represent that you have a natural, easily implemented proclivity to excel at mass communications either,...
you may be cutout for it, but you are still going to have to work at it,...
although you do have a knack for twisting a conversation from facts and assessments to feelings and hyperbole,...
perchance televangelism, politics or infomercial pitchman?!?!?!? :P ;) 8)
PS - no one working at anything gets "forced", those days ended in 1865 hereabouts, no one forces the 5' NBA player and no one is forcing you, you volunteered, after seeking input for the pros and cons and after receiving objective, none candy coated feedback, you volunteered,...
and then you signed a contract,...
here's your metaphor:
you were all signed up for a Chevy Spark, but then somebody showed you the Z06,...
but you are not stupid, you went and asked about the pros and cons of owning a Z06,...
then you got the feedback, the highs and the lows, the rush and the drudgery,...
and then you had Ally Financial tear up that Chevy Spark contract and sign you up for the Z06,...
and the loan officer at Ally was only too happy to oblige,...
and now you have buyer's remorse, and you want out of that contract,...
and maybe Ally will let you out, I dunno,...
but perhaps you could read this one time and remember it,....
later in life, after you grow up, and you are selling your first home as a prerequisite to taking that vaunted anchor man's job in the big media market out on the coast,...
and then,....you get that phone call from the real estate agent that your prospective home buyer is backing out of the sale, everything is off,...
you're gonna have to dig deeper in your pocket to make the move for a host of reasons, mostly because the erstwhile home buyer is backing out of the contract,...
remember that the erstwhile home buyer may have come to the conclusion (like you are today) that they are that 5 foot point guard,...
for the buyer, completing the commitment to buy your house and meet those mortgage payments is akin to struggling in the NBA as a 5' point guard,...
the buyer wants to live in a home, not live for a house,...
be as kind, understanding, generous and magnanimous to that erstwhile house buyer as you expect the Navy to be to you today,...
because, just as you will have to personally suck it up due to that erstwhile home buyer tomorrow, the Navy is gonna have to suck it up for you today,...
that's why they have contracts,...
that's why they have karma,...
almost forgot [(sic) 4 beercort]
HydroDave63:
--- Quote from: GLW on Jul 13, 2015, 08:06 ---
but I want you to read this one time and remember it,....
later in life, after you grow up, and you are selling your first home as a prerequisite to taking that vaunted anchor man's job in the big media market out on the coast,...
and then you get that phone call from the real estate agent that your prospective home buyer is backing out of the sale, everything is off,...
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Just ask the buyer "Do you know who I am...?" :P
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Druid:
--- Quote from: Punnett on Jul 12, 2015, 07:40 ---...all I'm trying to say is that it's also not realistic for me to work harder and keep on chugging along without being really stressed out and miserable and, to me, that's not worth it even if I can get through the pipeline and collect the fat bonuses. See, I thought 60 hour work weeks were rough--try 84. Holy crap. Meanwhile, my friends who failed out of NNPTC work ~40 hours a week.
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Only you can determine the value of your hard work. The value of mine didn't become apparent until sometime later.
Skip the next part if you want to avoid some lame-a$$d story by an old phart.
I consider Prototype to be my opus magnum. Prior to joining and getting into the program by background was that of white trailer trash, sub-class Single Wide. I made it into the program with the minimum NFQT score which earned me the 6 week version of Pre-school. I completed NNPS and stood somewhere in the middle of my class, but got held back in Orlando for two classses post-graduation. I was fortunate and got assigned to Admin where I help to out-process academic drops, security drops, alcohol drops, and the like. I eventually made it to Idaho and struggled through prototype. I don't even know why I kept an apartment the last two months - I was living on-site in the bunkroom. Eventually, I got notice that I was on the list for an Ac Board. I knew ALL of the details involved in a Ac drop having been on the processing side. I knew this wasn't where I wanted to be. The odds were stacked unfavorably. I said "screw it" and took the bus back into IF. While moping on the back bench, an instructor from another shift came up to me and asked what the problem was and for the next hour I spilled my guts. It was cathartic. He gave me a little guidance, but mostly moral support. I got a good night sleep in my own bed and turned right back around the next day and went back out to the site.
The Ac Board took place in the middle of the night. I saw the morning sun and found that I was the only one of those who went before it to survive. With that in my pocket, I kept at it. I was the last person on my crew to qualify - but dammit, I did it.
Fast forward a dozen years to a few weeks before Christmas. I'm off active duty but still in the reserves while working on my Bachelors. I'm taking a full load while working a 40 hr/wk job. I have a wife and two lovely daughters- one a newborn. The week of finals our newborn girl dies suddenly of an undiagnosed heart defect. Oooof! My marriage, my school, my job, and life in general started sucking really bad. What got me through it was mentally going back to prototype and I knew I could keep going and make it thorough this rough time. The following Spring and Summer semesters I continued dealing with the loss, continued working full time, being a Dad while going through marriage counseling and personal counseling. Over the two semesters I took 34 credit hours so that I could graduate as quickly as possible. And I did that too. I got my degree and I'm still married to my wonderful wife.
What is your crappy Prototype time worth? It has one value today but may mean something completely different in one year, five, or twenty-five. Who knows....
--- Quote ---I don't want to live to work. I want to work to live. Am I being unreasonable here?
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That is asked like a question, but the underlying tone comes off as someone looking for justifications for their decisions.
Its your decision and so to should it be your justification. No one elses.
Best, D
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