So Mr. R. At what point do you stop being nice and call there hand. They told me i would not get my money from them, that i would have to ask the courts. Remo
This whole thread reminds me that we are a bunch of pessimists.
Hey Mike,
I agree with you! This guy Remo seems like the dude in the A & W rootbeer commercials. THICKHEADED.
I've never had to go higher.
Call me lucky.
Bartlett has kept me working on and off. But they do have some very strange ways with there taxes, and how they take money for insurance you don't have. Lets just say I feel if you create waves you won't be working, now more then ever. But if they run short of techs, they will call you.This is the very type of thing that can make anyone nervous. With the Numanco buyout looming, it still seems like if you are not friends, you aren't going to work ooooorrrrrr, you will get sent to oh....let's see?...........Siberia DOE until you....well you get it. You know what 'they' say about absolute power. So much for trying to work near home.
Eric,
I remember reading the same quote, from the Fleet employee's, when Bank America did the buy out thingy! After consolidation, reapplication and modifications, they opened a couple of hundred new branches with about 6000 less employee's!
I wouldn't say anything either! The other company still has some loyal employee's, Die-Hards, that probably wont roll with the waves. It wouldn't be in your companies best interest to make an official announcement, until after the Fall Outage Season is completed. But you have to admit, it's going to be interesting, come Spring! 8)
RG
Next thing you'll be hearing about, is a new President for the DOE, in the home office!
my wages climbed after my last trip with bartlett(never agin) and bruce screaming at my wife I never work in nukes agin. I left hp and am happy , I have not made less than a 100k in 9 years.
and did not need the only one.
like the others say you get what you look for .
To date it is the oldest Technician staffing company in existance!
Hey, I seen that move, " The Day After Tomorrow"?
RIGHT?????? :-\
What I'd like to know is where I can get some Numanco pens and such, they might sell good on ebay if this goes through. :)Yeah cool and how about some jackets, and hats. Money at BFN is so tight now, we don't even get any beads and trinkets. Numanco can't use the stuff any more.
You know it is amazing how Eric nows who I am and I never told him my name.
I do know this much when he(bruce) was telling my wife I never work on nukes agin the next Plant I was at 2 days later I was getting a hard time with my clearance.
it seems that after two weeks and no badge, ( in Fact I had to leave the site for about ten days no check) I went in to see the head of Security.(non Bartlett site at the time) and he was not getting any responses back from the site I was just at and was badged at. he asked why he should not give me a badge. I told him my story how Bartlett took over money out of my 1st check (I got $75 that day ) told me I owed him money from years before. and I had left site and told them to pay me what was owed me. for hours at site time worked. and diem. or I would go somewhere elese. no check no tech. I left.
the Manger took my report called the site called other sites I had been at. looked at me and told me I can find no reason not to give you your badge,
he said it looked like someone was trying to block me.
As all of you know if you get denied acess it can cost you big time.
Will I got my badge that day and since then and SGT williams power and others GE, westinghouse, Wow I never had a problem, I know one thing when I called home and my wife told me what had just happend I knew who would forever be on my list. oh by the way they did end up paying me. all the money I was due. But it did take a while and in court.
for those of you who have nothing good to say god bless you but I have seen the ugly side, and its not worth it to me .
gl all.
it was a good thing in a way it did give the push to get out HP pay and move on.
:'( - Enuff said...
Eric
This is my first post, (EVER) so I am motivated to say something here! I am a recruiter and I AINT scared of Bartlett or anyone else! I am proud of my relationships with my DOE clients and I am not afraid of any company taking all of the business or taking my good candidates away. There are still good companies out there people and there are still good recruiters who will fight for you and get you the best rates. What really sucks for candidates is some of the companies (my clients) have taken away per diem, re-location packages and dont offer competitive rates. This is the company's fault not the recruiters or recruiting company's fault. I am looking for candidates by the way if anyone needs a job, e-mail me your resume. I am representing plenty of DOE companies..........so bring it on Bartlett! But just in case you guys are right, maybe I too should get on the band wagon. So I say to Eric Bartlett, call me if you want an honest recruiter who works hard. E-mail me...............Maybe I will come work for your company..........
Actually, I appreciate Eric's Input, Candor and Retorts. Although it may seem that I'm pinging on him, that really isn't the case! In fact, when I deal with his company, he is one, of only two individual I will speak to in the office! I've dealt with him for umteen years, talked to him hundred of times and I can't think of any occassion he ever lied to me! Actually most of the discontent voiced towards him, is dealt by someone elses hand! He sells you the job, you show up and the local site representative treats you like a piece of dung! ( Not all sites, just a few )! Who gets the brunt of the blow, The Recruiter!
In all practicality, if things went south for Eric, or the other representative in the office, I'd ship them a resume no matter where they landed and probably go to work for that company, weighting on their reputation and input. Their are a couple of coordinators in the same boat, again, just a few! Loyalty, maybe, but I figure I'd get the straight scoop on an opportunity, the good, the bad and the ugly, before showing up!
I just realized, I may be Sucking Up!
Nay, I figure Eric still owe's me a couple of hundred beers, for being one of the many, who keeps his Butt Employed! Until he pays up, my agenda wont change!
Have a Great Day, RG!
Hey Bartlett people? hear tell that Bartlett doesn't do Direct Deposit. What's up with that? This buy out is going to become a pain in the @$$ when we out here away from home, have to go find a new bank, wait on checks to clear, and stand in line for a check. I mean come on Bartlett, your the biggest game in town now. Jump into the 21st century. It's a proven fact that it is cheaper to direct deposit funds than mail checks. Why do you need the extra time that hard checks take?
Unless there policy changed since last Thursday, Bartlett does do direct deposit, as my husbands paycheck goes to our bank every week like clockwork. Possibly this is a misunderstanding or maybe they don't do it at every site? Maybe Eric will check it out and set the record straight.
Bartlett Direct Deposits Pay Checks (Not Per Diem Checks) at their Long Term Projects (i.e. DOE Sites, and Core Techs) It takes 2-4 weeks to set up Direct Deposit, and it just wouldn't make sense for an outage.
Mike is quite right - I checked w/payroll dept. and was told the same thing. I've also been told it is something that has been looked at and considered for everyone but as it stands right now just long termers. - hell, I dont even have direct deposit, go figure. :o
Could it be a hint that even you may not be long term? :olol Good one. :)
Well, now that we have the direct deposit situation straight, can we get back to the original topic. What is the latest on the sale (or should it be "re-sale") of NUMANCO? Is Bartlett making ans offer? Has it been accepted?
Could it be a hint that even you may not be long term? :o
The mentioned pain in the @$$ is that even on the road, an ATM can be used for a fee. A hard check requires opening an account everywhere you go if the is no branch of your bank available. DD info doesn't ever change unless by the account holder so yes, 4 weeks to set up and then it's done. Sounds more like payroll just doesn't want a little extra work. Numanco holds all DD info and then you just restart it when you get to the next plant. Can't be that hard.
Mike is quite right - I checked w/payroll dept. and was told the same thing. I've also been told it is something that has been looked at and considered for everyone but as it stands right now just long termers. - hell, I dont even have direct deposit, go figure. :o
The mentioned pain in the @$$ is that even on the road, an ATM can be used for a fee. A hard check requires opening an account everywhere you go if the is no branch of your bank available. DD info doesn't ever change unless by the account holder so yes, 4 weeks to set up and then it's done. Sounds more like payroll just doesn't want a little extra work. Numanco holds all DD info and then you just restart it when you get to the next plant. Can't be that hard.
The mentioned pain in the @$$ is that even on the road, an ATM can be used for a fee. A hard check requires opening an account everywhere you go if the is no branch of your bank available. DD info doesn't ever change unless by the account holder so yes, 4 weeks to set up and then it's done. Sounds more like payroll just doesn't want a little extra work. Numanco holds all DD info and then you just restart it when you get to the next plant. Can't be that hard.
Now that Bartlett is bigger, I have a few questions. Why are the people in the office say, We are paying the same PD that the other companies are" at Hadford. NOT. I 'm 86.00 a day and Bartlett is 70.00, and they insist that is incorrect. Why was my resume not at two plants when the supervisiors ask for it. Why at INEL are they taking 101.00 from your PD after a year and claming they are paying taxes, and giving only 501.00 and your paying the taxes on it, when the other company gives you 602.00 and you still pay the taxes. Is that not paying the taxes twice??? So we are not only getting losing 101.00 per week, then you give this insane pay raise, and the more hours you work the less you make, and it pans out to losing 400.00 a week... WHY
I wish I had the answer - I get the same story from payroll you guys/gals do - In my mind once its set up, its over and done with - I've been asking for several years now why we don't do it - and I'll continue to do so
Eric, even though we have yet to meet or speak, I appreciate your attention to this. I , after hearing many 'horror stories'(i did look at the sources) about Bartlett, am still not looking forward to this merger because the common thread(no pun intended) is that Bartlett screws techs over in this situation, i.e. you are not one of our ass kissing friends, so you don't get to work where you have been, prove to us that you are loyal and we might let you work one plant near you in couple of years until then, we are sending in "our own people'. Soooooo, I hope the transition is going to be better than I fear.
I still though can't see the logic in not doing Dir. Dep. because it does save companies money. Stamps, personnel, supplies, all done on computer. For any progressive co. to say that it takes 2-4 weeks to install DD and then that they would have to do it at every plant is rediculous. I have worked other plants and Numanco had my DD info an deverytime, I had to wait a week and there it was in my bank because they had the information. No Brainer. Sounds more like a money thing ......like interest? Well maybe they'll wake up. The rest of the world has. Small companies like Numanco did. Bartlett is the biggest kid on the street. Make it too hard to get to your paychecks, and people have a tendancy to look for work elsewhere.
Well we'll see what happens after the next outage. I'll keep my fingers crossed. Maybe people from your company look at this site too and can take a hint to look at their postion. They may find that it will work out better for them in the end.
...am still not looking forward to this merger because the common thread(no pun intended) is that Bartlett screws techs over in this situation, i.e. you are not one of our ass kissing friends, so you don't get to work where you have been, prove to us that you are loyal and we might let you work one plant near you in couple of years until then, we are sending in "our own people'....
2. for the most part we hold people accountable - you quit, no show, get fired we arent going to go out of our way to put you back to work on a choice job, and yes we will most likely employ you again and yes you will probably have to prove yourself - just like if we did you wrong we would have to prove ourselves to regain your trust -
ERIC,
Do you answer your e-mail ???
Eric,
Yes you happen to be the biggest at this time, but far from the ONLY! I remember a few others who held the title, Rad, IRM, NSSI, CE, Numanco and the list goes on. Anybody see the common connection? Each one, in their own time, sitting on a staff of a thousand or better, raking in the bucks.
A couple of weeks ago, you make the statement that you didn't want to cheat the companies customers. Maybe you have lost touch with who your customers really are? Although your company sells our services, you don't own the product! As a recruiter, or a salesman by another name, you should remember which customers to put first, the others didn't!
The Techs, The Techs, The Techs! It always seems like the best excuse! Accountable and Responsible, it always seems to be a one sided concept, directed at the Technicians. You quote the Techs as being proffessionals, yet you don't want to hear anything they have to say! I've heard some techs tell me about the pre-departure phone calls of cancelled jobs, eight week outages with pan out to four weeks of work and the memories of oversea's jobs that never materialized! Sometime, one has to wonder if they weren't part of staffing game, used to manipulate the other players, usually at their own expense! Why don't you put it in WRITTING? Why hesitate, if your honestly selling something, there shouldn't be any resistance to a written contract, after all it protects you also!
As far as the Techs yelling about past mistakes, like you said, your company does have to prove itself! Like your company, sometimes it takes a long time! That seems rather rediculous to hold a grudge that long. Maybe they have a computer in front of them, such as yourself, and they can archieve your companies past performance! Of course there entries would be generic in nature! It could show past performance rating, written by people you don't know, or never worked for. Quit the job, for returning home to be with you family member, who is in the hospital. No Show, due to home front factors requiring your immediate attention. It's much easier and saves a lot of hard drive space, if you just enter generic codes, such as Quit, No Show, Fired!
How about the company representatives? You know the management types? You also know the ones I'm talking about! Funny how a techs name will surface a couple of times, in the office, and they are considered a problem child. The hundreds of phone calls on the disfunctional manager seem to be overlooked! I assume that being a manager, renders some form of amnesty in all cases! Again, no Responsibility or Accountability! Probably just horror stories. RIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT!
The speculated, or soon to be finalized purchase of number two, poses some interesting concepts. You'll own the contracts, but not the people! I'm wondering what is going to happen to your loyal followers? Afterall, the ones loyal to you, aren't really the customers your interested in, it's the ones that aren't working for you that hold the most value! Like you said, if it weren't for the competition, you wouldn't have anywhere to recruit from! Another interesting concept will be the staffing commitments. After all, if there's no competition, who, or what can you blame? If even a small number of Technicians refuse to join your club and your company doesn't meet it's staffing commitments, what message will that send? It will be interesting!
I got to fly, I'm working for the other Guy, RG!
When I look into my crystal ball, I see Bartlett getting HUGE, really REALLY huge in the next 10 years. I see them Becoming a "real" professional services company, staffing all disciplines, not just Engineers and janitors, and HPs, and craft. I see the net worth of the company moving by a "significant digit" (x10) in the next 10 years. -- For the non-business types, that is HUGE.
I would like to add my $2 worth about the above posts.
I started with Bartlett in 1987. I can tell you all the usual stories, I have been on the black list with the 'tree' by my name on the computer. (remember Judy?!) I can tell all the good, bad, and ugly stories. Others have and still do.
My point is this. When has anyone heard from a company rep, in this case Eric, not only respond, but do it publicly.
He seems to want to see all sides and tries to be the one we always wanted to be able to look to for help, advice, etc.
To me, Eric is doing a great public relations job.
I am not working for Bartlett right now, but expect to at a later time, and look forward to it.
PS. another good Bartlett recruiter is Anne. She is easy to talk with and is glad that you called her. (again, not like Judy)
So, even though things are not what we want, it looks like there is a small light at the end of the tunnel.
...And Eric if you’re willing to answer I can give you specifics.
...Once or twice, a recruiter goofed up and caused me to change plans, but it wasn't malicious. (Yeah, Eric, I'm talkin' 'bout you.)...
come on now, your pull'n the guilt trip on me ;D - I still feel bad 'bout that whole Illinois deal...
Eric
It's pretty simple, the free ride is over for the lazy techs
But I've worked for Bartlett with techs so lazy they sent the workers up to take their smears and wipes in overhead areas and had them toss them down.
So where did we work together? ;)
Seriously, there have been a lot of jobs where I was running my butt off chasing 8 or 10 crews (esp. in the past 6 or 8 years since de-reg and the resulting cuts in staffing) where I was more than happy to have the worker take a smear or two for me. Guess you can start calling me "UncaLazy"... :D
I won't let their poor planning goad me into compromising the quality of the coverage I provide.
The workers deserve better.
halflifer, I'm gonna agree with ya up to a point. Having worked with and around Unca Buffalo for a majority of the past ten years, I'm gonna tell ya, nobody's job coverage is being compromised if he's covering the job. Not everyone
OK, I don't 'run my butt off chasing.....' I'll cover 8 or 10 crews if that's what they want, but they'd better be planning on spending some time waiting in a low dose area.
It doesn't endear me to management, but I won't let their poor planning goad me into compromising the quality of the coverage I provide.
The workers deserve better.
I agree with you also as far as making people wait in line in the low dose areas. There are limits to what management should expect out of people.
I called Bartlett yesterday, they said that Ft.Calhoun was staffed and they might be staffing Limerick and Maryland jobs maybe next week with a report date in feb. Its 2-3 months? till Ft.Calhoun starts and they are allready staffed? ??
They didnt bother to say anything about Wolf creek or the other jobs that bartlett has. "Like I dont know that Bartlett has ALL the contracts." I dunno it just seems to me that the recruiters are tring to staff the "CRAPPY" plants first..
I admire Eric being on here talking and being open but, If Eric dosent screw you over one of the recruiters will.
And if there was more than just 1 company, I would just call the other one and get a job with them, but of course .WE will be held over a barrel. than again I could call back and tell the recruiter that they are liars, then they would put me on BLACK LIST................
why doesn't bartlett start making career outage workers permanent employees? that way, they (bartlett) woud have a known solid pool of techs to draw from, show resumes to sites, have backgrounds 'n securities all prepared 'n ready to go, etc, etc, etc. also, they (permant outage techs) would have a solid employment history with which to go to the bank, a direct deposit system for all monies due, etc., etc, etc.
jist an innerscent quesshun. 8)
Let's reveiw, 3 in and 3 out is gone. Hide and seek for a grand a week is no more. Getting 9 or more months outage work a year is no more. It is no longer a easy job, you have to work for a living. You need sensitivity training so you don't offend anyone. So the days of working as a HP/RP Tech because it is so much money for so little work is no more
As I am apparently the recruiter who "screwed you over", Tech-A, I wanted to explain to you the way that the Cooper, Fort Calhoun and Wolf Creek outages work. All three of those plants made an agreement that they would get their techs out on time to go to the next plant in line so as to cut down on the training costs. Since Cooper is the first outage of the season everybody and their mother wants to get into Cooper. From Cooper the techs roll into Fort Calhoun with a couple dropping off to go to another plant. From Ft. Calhoun they roll into Wolf Creek with a couple dropping off there as well. And if you get accepted at Cooper, you're basically accepted at all three, so as you can see, it was staffed pretty fast.
------> There are slots available at Wolf Creek still, but they are filling up quickly.<-----------
I don't understand how telling you a plant is staffed is screwing you over. Maybe if I hired you then took you off the list you could say I screwed you over. But I have never, in the short time I've been here, screwed anyone over. I have been fair, honest and up front about anything that is going on. I think I have been fairly well received by the techs I have dealt with even though I've only been here for about 6 months now. A few even call me up just to chat. As Jimmy Buffett once said, "Don't try to describe the scenery if you've never seen it." I don't get any joy out of telling someone I don't have a job for them.
Kevin - Bartlett
Kevin, I dont know if it was you I was talking to or not.
I did already know about the Cooper, Ft.Caloun, Wolf Creek deal., but when I asked about Ft,Calhoun I was told that it was staffed , then I went on to ask about any other jobs going on and I was only told about Limerick and the Maryland job.
Now here comes the truth.
1 - I was purposely NOT told about Wof Creek because staffing limerick,Maryland job was more important. OR
2- Whom ever I talked to forgot about the Wolf Creek job. that IS being staffed as quoted above.
Only the person I talked to knows the truth. But I would put my bets on #1
The point is the same nomatter who I talked to. Bartlett is a business to make money they will do what it takes to staff a job.
even at the exspence of some one else.
Well, I'm not the moderator annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd I'm not tryin'to start nothin', I'm just saying, The topic is Bartlett buying Numanco not Bartlett screws ya over during a takeover.......
You're not going to see very many Boilermakers or Pipefitters who manage to knit two scarves a day while on the clock.
Well, I'm not the moderator annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd I'm not tryin'to start nothin', I'm just saying, The topic is Bartlett buying Numanco not Bartlett screws ya over during a takeover. I would Like to see this in the donors sections as it might lead
to some very candid dialogue between techs and the Alleged screwers at the corporate home office...
And yes to all else who read this. I know there are unhappy people in every part of this industry. everyone has something bad that has happened in the past with the copany they were working for. I also think that in this instance since Bartlett is the only company left for all intents and purposes, it is only logical that they should be recieving such scathing responses to this buyout. Will they care? I think not. Is the owner of Bartlett sitting somewhere in a very well appointed mansion, reading this and smiling? Maybe. Is it really going to matter to our work? Not a damn bit.
This is his buisness and now we work for him or no one. So if he wants to keep his buisness, he pays he makes work for us and............or he goes down to " Rent-a-felon" and trys to bring people in fresh off the street and train them and keep contracts while doing it and.............you get the picture.
Besides, maybe Bartlett has been so hard on techs in the past because nobody loved him. Maybe he just needs a big hug to become the Santa Claus that's hidden inside....................... ......or not. :P
...If members have something to add about the announced possible acquisition of Numanco by Bartlett this is the place for it. Anything else belongs in another thread...t.
good question, let me answer it with a question - what do we do with you in between jobs, where do we have you work?
...What about the rest of the Plymouth crew? What about Bruce, Paul Lovendale, Bill Tiley, Art Derosiers, and Eric too! I didn't see his name on the list...
...I hope it all works out Ok for everybody, but I don't have a real warm and fuzzy here!...
JJ ::)
....If they do buy British Nuclear Fuels, will Bill Tiley's accent be utilized when you get the voice mail?...
Eric...
What about the rumor concerning BNFL?????
More news to me, but alas I am just a humble recruiter - well maybe not humble, but just a recruiter - If I hear anything I'll post it...
Eric
I thought all of the ENTERGY contracts were tied together? How does Riverbend get rewarded without ANO/Grandgulf/Waterford?
Eric, With the news of the buy comes the ever raised question of "monopoly". Greater control is now at the hands of the "Big Blue Machine", theoretically, pay rates/diem may stop rising and simlply settle at a mark less competetive
with...... oh wait..... what competition? See where I'm going. I don't keep up with the threads much, maybe this has been brought up and answered.
I understand you don't have a crystal ball on your desk and obviously cannot tell us the future. I'm just simply raising a pessimistic question.
Congrats :), You have a good holiday, wish the others in the office the same.
Don't count out Atlantic Group that quickly. They have some experienced folks that came over from Numanco and will be bidding on the contracts also.All I want to know is this: If you are getting your paycheck from the same company that is doing the job you are covering, will you feel pressure to let a few things slide?
The same type of mentality happened when Westinghouse bought up Numanco long ago and offered up the "integrated" outage packages. Many of the Westinghouse folks thought the HP's from Numanco should cut them a break since we were all the "same" company. It didn't happen in most cases and caused a lot of grief.
...Eric i know you read these post and you have surprised me with how candid you are and how you allow yourself to be a punching bag...
The acquisition of Numanco and Sun Technical is one of the first outward signs of the changes that are taking place within Bartlett. Bartlett is being positioned to play a major role not only in the commercial nuclear industry but also in the DOE, Home Land Security arenas. One can only hope that they will seize this opportunity to help ebb the flow of radiation protection technicians in the industry by providing the opportunity for training. We as nuclear professionals are nearly extinct. There are very few professional technicians left in this industry.
Establishing training programs in cooperation with utilities and training institutions around the country would be one way of ensuring that there are enough technicians to support this industry for years to come.
As far as the pay and per diem goes, one would be stupid to cut your own throat. There aren't enough technicians now, why would you cut your own throat by holding the payscale down?
From former Williams exec: Williams being sold. Announcement coming by year-end. He says buyer is Bartlett, they want to do to craft what they've done to HP...
Eric...
What about the rumor concerning BNFL?????
Maybe some of us need to make contact with the real world - a place where you work where you are told to work if you want the job at all.
Don't like the pay and benefits? Do something else.
Don't like the bosses? Go somewhere else.
Want to be in control of your own destiny? Start your own business. We'll see you when you come back because that didn't exactly work out. If it does work out, good for you.
Hey there BIERCORT. Lighten up a little.
I know that YOU have never complained about anything.
I thought you were a moderator.
There was nothing moderate in your comments.
As to "THE MERGER" there are a lot of us skeptics out here in the real world of seeing is believing .
Old HP
sew, did bartlett figger out how to do direct deposit yet?
Yea, but why take it away from those people who already had it, like for 4 years.
Why say long term people can have it, but short term people (refueling outage) cant have it.
This really makes stinks! But it's just my opinion. 8)
...will something be set up in the area of the plant for cashing checks?...
kinda, sorta, not really... :D they (finance types) tells me that they be slowly implamenting it over the next year or so... :o
I wonder if I will ever get the money I was cheated out of!!!!!
I wonder if I will ever get the money I was cheated out of!!!!!
Eric,Does this mean; Since I no longer owe Bartlett any money, I’m off the Probation list and can work again seeing how Bartlett now has 100% of the nation’s commercial power plants?
Allow me to clarify my statement; 100% of the available commercial power plant HP contracts.
Bartlett now has 100% of the nation’s commercial power plants
Hey Eric, Here's another one. back in the day, the plants used to send techs to a 40hr. course followed by testing, for the NEU. Don't you think that Bartlett could look at this as a money maker from the standpoint of getting more SR. techs hired due to the fact that some fail and then have to work as Jr's or not work at all, there by costing B money. Self study by any tech is good but many aren't good at that. Not stupid but almost anyone will agree that a facilitated training program is far better that leave people to hit or miss.
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How about posting the information that is published in Bartletts newsletter? It has a subject on Questions and Answers concerning the new company.
Can anyone tell me who really owns Bartlett now?
Can we as road techs buy stock in this company?
Berkshire Partners, a private equity investment firm owns most of what Bruce sold, with a small portion being owned by Summit Partners, also a private equity and venture capital firm.
"Private equity" means no one can buy stock.
Well, very very indirectly a tech could....if they saved up a LOT of those per-diem checks, and bought some BERKSHIRE HATH HLD A stock, NYSE symbol BRK-A. A small price to pay for being part of the action :)
Berkshire Partners, a private equity investment firm owns most of what Bruce sold, with a small portion being owned by Summit Partners, also a private equity and venture capital firm.
However I do feel that Bartlett Nuclear Inc could post (on a locked board or their own website) a list of frequently asked questions with the answers.
I have seeen several business do this and maybe this action would show that A) Bartlett is listening and 2) Keep everyone from second-guessing.
Here's another one. back in the day, the plants used to send techs to a 40hr. course followed by testing, for the NEU.
what plants gave 40hr training for the neu? i never, ever got 40hr training fer that test. pleez post these plants, maybe i am due a weeks worth of pay and diem for what i wasn't given that udders were.
Basically, as I've stated before, Bartlett is operating on the day-to-day business as in the past - business as usual - the only thing that has changed is Bruce is no longer taking the "complaint" calls and we now have a Director of Human Resources...so for the sake of the horse that has been beat to death time and time again I'll try to make it as clear as possible -as in the past- FOLLOW THE CHAIN OF COMMAND...if you have a complaint feel free to call - if you have a problem with a co-worker go to you site supv, a problem with your site supv go to either the field manager or the recruiter - problem with the field manager go to the president of that division - either federal or utility, problem with the recruiter, security analyst, payroll, perdiem ect go to their dept head - problem with the dept head go to the company officer in charge of that division - problem with the officer in charge of a division or anyone else feel free to contact the CEO and President - I am sure he'll devote a much time as he can spare to your situation or assign someone to do so - or just contact the Director of Human Resources and I am sure he'll look into your situation as best he can or assign someone to do so...basically business as usual...by the way if you don't know our number here it is 800-225-0385 if you want an extension or a specific person just ask when you call and hopefully they will all be posted soon enough on our website -
Eric
Hearsay. The tech i got this info from said it happened to them not only once but twice. Further, she wasn't the only one. Oyster creek was mentioned. Could be the plant specific HP funds that Eric was talking about.
Does it make any sense to give the long term techs at the FERRY direct deposit, and not the travelers. The long termers have local bank accounts, you can't expect a traveler to open an account in every burg they go to. They are the ones that need direct deposit back to the bank at home. WE ALL NEED DIRECT DEPOSIT!
How can Big Blue be "Above Average" when they dominate the market? Wouldn't that make them "Average" by definition? I evaluated them in comparison to companies that are now gone (or swallowed).
How can Big Blue be "Above Average" when they dominate the market? Wouldn't that make them "Average" by definition? I evaluated them in comparison to companies that are now gone (or swallowed).
i thought butch was a a$$ at first but then i gained respect for him and i know i would work for him again
What would things really be like if Our company stepped up to the plate and said...............'Hey plant's..........We need more money for our techs.?................Whoa that's a new thought......okay, okay, I'm awake.............dang! what a dream I jusyt had. :POnce again someone had to write something that would catch my attention and drag me into the same old converstation thats been go'n on since the dawn of the road tech industry...
pssssst.....Eric......
You never answered Dream Tarheel's question...
Question Eric, if you have a moment. Isn't it very easy to say you (as a company) are doing everything you can, every season............when in truth, while you have 90% of the Nuclear Power Plant contracts, and no reasonable competition, you really dont have to do anything, just say that you are.Yes, it would be easy to just let things sit at the status quo and tell everyone we are doing everything possible to help you, but not really do anything - it would be extremley easy, but it would be counter productive to what keeps Bartlett in buisness - technicians. You may take all I have to say with a grain of salt and heavy doubts, I dont expect any of you to believe what I have to say because A. I work for Bartlett and B. I am a Bartlett. The reality of it is the lower a site pays, the harder it is to staff. I for one like to make my job as easy as possible, part of that is consistantly going to our clients to increase the incentives, be it pay, diem, travel, bonuses, etc...
And since this is the WBN thread, here is a WBN question. How does a junior HP who lives 73 miles from WBN get classified as a local?
pssssst.....Eric......Now as far as your question goes - I, as have all of the other recruiters and our management have never understood a Utilities philosophy for paying more diem for 1 classification than another - a JHP should recieve the same as a SHP who should recieve the same as a Decon tech who should recieve the same as a Mechanic who should recieve the same as an engineer - why certain utilities pay differant can be answered for only a few of the contracts awarded each year, that would be that differant contracts are bid differant ways, bid specs for some proposals are stipulated by the client, some arent. Other than that I cant answer that question. As previously stated it never made much sense to me. As I said earlier, believe me if you will, or look upon this as just more dribble coming from a corporate mouthpiece, we (Bartlett), and I would presume other vendors in this industry, are always trying to get incentives increased, after all if we can pay higher than "Brand X" we'll have a better shot at a successful season, while "Brand X" would fail. Even most utilities realize that it doesnt benefit anyone, not even themselves to underprice themselves right out of the market, especially at a time when position to technician ratios are so tight. This isnt the days of pre-deregulation when there is an over abundance of technicians to positions. Anyone that has been in the industry and associated with staffing, be it recruiters, techs, Utility Supvs, etc..., knows that todays decon tech is tomorrows JHP who is the next days SHP.
You never answered Dream Tarheel's question: Why would Bartlett, while they're "doing everything they can, in every season", not allow a junior the same benefits (per diem) you allow everyone else? Or is it true that Jrs don't eat as much, drive as much, or spend as much on food and lodging as seniors? Have you guys ever thought that you may need those juniors one day as the seniors dwindle away?
Eric, they're baiting you in!
They want to make more money for their board of directors.
How does a junior HP who lives 73 miles from WBN get classified as a local?
Such as direct diposit, wich may be established with services but not with nuclear.
ewww boy!!
I just got PRE!! PRE!! Approved for 3..... count em! 3!! Exelon outages in a row!!!
I can't believe it!!
Thought i had the olde black balls or................ was that black balled from em!
Funny i got pre approved for something i never put in fer!
...just a little bustin going on :P...you guys are big enough that you can take it!...
Yea, but get this, I heard you get the $750.00 advance (if you ask for it), but they take it back as pay, not per diem. So that you have to pay taxes on your advance, because it's a loan, not per diem. 8)
Yea, but get this, I heard you get the $750.00 advance (if you ask for it), but they take it back as pay, not per diem. So that you have to pay taxes on your advance, because it's a loan, not per diem. 8)
So Eric, what's the new deal with per diem? I hear techs going to jobs will get their first pd when they get their first pay so they won't have any pd to pay back at lay-off time.
Of course, there will be some folks who are either so against change of any kind, or so convinced that they are always getting screwed, that they will just see this as a negative development. There's nothing you can do to please them anyway, so don't sweat it.Amen.
On 5/18/98 twelve technicians arrived at rocky flats...none knew anything about plutonium, the doe, weapons, the union, the fbi, the epa, w88 warheads, glove boxes, lung lavage, inner tent chambers, level b suits, 1E6 DAC plutonium, pyrophoria or q and l clearances,...they had never seen road techs...they had never seen 100 R... they didn't know how to train us, where to put us and they didn't trust us...Quite true- - I was one of the ones there, and I got shanghaied over to Trench 1, leaving Mark to handle everything else. And he did.
Mark Phillips was, by default, tasked with leading us, representing us and sustaining us...it can be said that had there been no Mark Phillips, there would have been no bartlett at rocky flats...
Direct Deposit
Direct Deposit is also a topic where employees have suggested a change, especially employees who support outages. To that end, employees will be eligible for direct deposit once they have worked 1,000 regular (excluding overtime) hours. Regular hours will be tracked begining January 1, 2006. The 1,000 hours will be based on total regular hours worked, not continuous employment.
The changes will go into effect on Monday, August 7, 2006. As we move forward, we will continue to solicit feedback from our employees. Please let your site coordinator know if you have any questions.
Sincerely,
Bob Decensi, President BNI
Mary Barletta, CFO Bartlett
Is this 1000 hr/yr so you have to requal annually? If you qual one year is this good for all subsequent years? Does it work like their 401 contribution and insurance eligibility once your in, your in?
Direct Deposit
Direct Deposit is also a topic where employees have suggested a change, especially employees who support outages. To that end, employees will be eligible for direct deposit once they have worked 1,000 regular (excluding overtime) hours. Regular hours will be tracked begining January 1, 2006. The 1,000 hours will be based on total regular hours worked, not continuous employment.
The changes will go into effect on Monday, August 7, 2006.
...I don't see why a company the size of bartlett can't just do direct deposit and get er done without all this hokey "we will give it to you after x amount of hours." It really doesn't bother me, I'm just trying to look at it from both sides of the coin...it seems petty, and from a bidniss point of view, I don't get it. just like the holding of your relatively small bonus for 4 months seems petty for a medium sized company like Bartlett... things like this just don't seem quite right. then again, I'm JAD HP.
...The major Bennie of being the company is the company gets a cut of what we make. One of the major Bennies (or should be) of being a little techie is getting your $$$ within a reasonable amount of time...
Actually........ The big "B" is having problems staffing this Fall. They're short on a few outages, short by alot.
Look at all the posts! Jeeeeeeez, read between the lines.
they're short on just a few outages? lookin' at the job board it appears they're short on quite a few. o well, there's fixin' to be an outflow from INL......maybe some of those folks will take up the slack
Travel pay is usually part of the contract and as such, is set by an agreement between the contractor and the client (read "plant").
I don't see what the big deal is. If they really need you somewhere, all they have to do is send you there. The fact that they actually gave you a choice indicates that they needed you equally at either place.
Anybody else get the "You won't work for Bartlett again" speech for not going where you didn't want to this Fall? ;)
...Verbal agreements only last for a few minutes and unless witnessed are not very binding. (resulting in "you will never work in this industry again" rage) As the minimum, a simple agreement ends all of this "thats not what you said, or I didn't commit to that" issues...
I don't see what the big deal is. If they really need you somewhere, all they have to do is send you there. The fact that they actually gave you a choice indicates that they needed you equally at either place.
Whoa, whoa, whoa! Flag on the play! Since when do they get to make the decisions? That's the reason I've always liked rent-a-teching...I decide where and when I want to work.
Point taken...My field representives and mangers are dragging me kicking and screaming out of the dark ages and part of thier plan is to have some sort of confirmation letter or agreement, whatever you wanna call it, written up, possibly in time for the spring staffing. I'm sure no matter what we do or how we do it, it'll displease someone, but thats the nature of the beast.
Thanks,
Eric
i can't imagine where you're coming from with this comment... but before i'd let bartlett decide for me where i go (without my warm concurrence that is).. i'll go and stay house somewhere where the benefits and pay are much better..
But you have to admit that you went somewhere at least once in your life because somebody asked you to go there, and not because it was your preference to go there.
If you call Bartlett (or wait for them to call you) every September for a job, you have no business bitching when they give you one.
Hmmm...I'm going to have to question this one.
Eric Bartlett
Thanks for the reply Eric, your staff has always been helpful, the comment didn't come from the recruiting staff.Glad to hear it wasn’t a recruiter, upset to hear it happened at all, by any member of the company, I would like to know the circumstances and situation so I can address it, for anyone to threaten someone’s future employment is completely unacceptable to me. And yes I do understand and commend you on keeping your commitment with Brand "X", because that’s what I’d expect you to do if you were committed with us, but if you do get a chance contact me privately so I can fully understand what happened and what was said by whom so I can address it.
In response to your post though, no confirmation was in place nor were any submittals requested to go to the site referenced. A commitment was already in place, though. (With the other guys)
Never worked for the company in the past, don't owe them anything, but, honor of my word. Ethics stopped me from baggin on them when asked to do so, then when the arm twisting started, principle also fell in place.
I don't think your company would appreciate strong arm tactics coming from the other guys trying to get technicians to bail on commitments made to you and your staff.
By the same token, what I wouldn't do to you, I also wouldn't do to the other guys.
I hope you understand.
I'll message you privately.
thanks,
As seen by todays posts for outage jobs...the need continues to grow..i can't believe that Wolf Creek is not staffed w/ the $$ being thrown around.
The pond must be light.
I'm going to put my 2 cents in here. I guess things are getting really bad out in the world when the recruiters will lie to you just to staff an outage, and when you call there hand on it they will not respond to your e-mails Eric i know you read this, web site on a regular basis, ask you co workers if this is the thing they should be doing, If a recruiter does not know all the facts they they should not be recruiting for that site, if they know and withhold this info just to staff and outage, then to me that' just the same as lieing to a tech to get him there, knowing full well if he burns Bartlett, then he's not going to work for a while, isn't that right (name deleted by moderator)? I have 16 years in this business and i have never been treated like i have on this outage, She burnt me once, she will not burn me again. Remo
(or more sucking up to cordinators for good evals)
The company policy is the company policy. It is senseless to debate something you have no control over, and which has no barring on your life. It doesn’t matter what YOU think about their policy. It is what it is, get over it.Can't really agree with you on this one, Mike. A lot of bad policies have fallen out of practice because of outcry. Not to say the eval policy is bad, or that our discussions among ourselves or with the office will change it, but bad policies don't change unless someone challenges them.
Well I can only comment on the last few years about working for Bartlett when they took over the contract at my site.
1. They pay weekly
2. Never late with the paycheck
3. If I have had an issue with a paycheck the home office has fixed it/told me I'm wrong in a very timely manner
So from those 3 points I'm happy with working for Bartlett
RNN
It seem like this has turned into "Talk about Bartlett" while TAB is locked. However, I'll throw in my 2 cents also. When Bruce started the business, he didn't know a 'lick' about nukes, but he knew about how to treat people! (Construction does that to you)! ;D
Over the years (as the customer and just another field guy) I've seen a couple of times when the checks went to the wrong site, but, those were few and far between! Even though it isn't BB in Plymouth, it is still his company and his baby. And he still cares - what he did for Mitch is public, but what he has done for others - most will never know.
All I can say is if they aren't on his page, they won't be there long! He is still the primary owner and chairman of the board!
It seem like this has turned into "Talk about Bartlett" while TAB is locked. However, I'll throw in my 2 cents also. When Bruce started the business, he didn't know a 'lick' about nukes, but he knew about how to treat people!
....but what he has done for others - most will never know.
Another Bartlett Lie?
The last class at INL were told by Bartlett that after their per diem was stopped after 60 days, they would get a 3% raise. No One got it. Why does Bartlett demand that you honor commitments, when they ignore them all the time? Perhaps if they are bought out maybe Honor and Honesty will be brought back and the name Bartlett will mean something once again.
I don't mean to be too critical, but what are you trying to say? I can't figure it out - my 10 year old can write a better paragraph than this.
How about showing some respect for those of us you are trying to persuade and use capitalization, punctuation, and coherent sentences?
I'm not saying that you have to be Hemingway, but make a little effort at least.
Troy,
Attacking a persons writing ability is rude, off topic, and not acceptable in this forum.
If you choose to encourage people to write better, you must do it in a MORE professional manner.
If the work was going to non-union people, I could see the problem. But the fact that it is going to union members (just not YOUR union) leaves you without an argument. How would union laborers feel if all their work was being lost to carpenters or teamsters just because they claimed that your union wasn't as good as theirs? If you succeed in this attempt to discredit this union, then it would be fair for them to do it to you.
That seems a little narrow minded don't you think? Live and let live my brother, give these guys a shot at the contract, and see how it goes... just my opinion, I could be wrong 8)Narrow minded is prob. the norm for the F-I-P's!
I guess that I misunderstood the entire gist of the original post. Maybe because it wasn't written as clearly as it could have been ::) I understood LB to be saying that the Bartlett deconners were non-union, but your saying that they are indeed a union. If that is the fact then I would have to agree with you Troy and say there is really no gripe here. It is purely a case of one union instead of another. So what is the issue ??? LB are you upset because it is not your union? That seems a little narrow minded don't you think? Live and let live my brother, give these guys a shot at the contract, and see how it goes... just my opinion, I could be wrong 8)I don't know for sure whether the Bartlett deconners will be union or not. All I know is that the original poster was griping about some other union being not as good as his in the same sentence as the news about Bartlett getting the work. I may have misinterpreted that too. It isn't a good policy to bash another union. By the same logic, it isn't a good policy to blame another union for losing work that your union lost to them. The only way for union labor (including all trades) to win this kind of argument is to provide well-trained people who are worth the extra cost. In my opinion, certain trades are definitely worth the added expense when you factor in the training that they get and the quality of work that they perform. But there is a limit on how much additional cost is justified - especially at a job that is relatively non-skilled. As an example: let's say that union painters can be proven to do a much better job than their non-union counterparts. They would be better positioned to demand a higher payscale for their work. But, union gum scrapers are about the same as non-union gum scrapers at more than twice the cost. Who are you going to hire to clean under your theater seats? This whole discussion is a lot like the painters complaining that the non-union gum scrapers are taking their work and blaming the gum scrapers union for losing it. Frankly, it does not take a skilled painter to scrape gum from under a table or chair. Any claim that they have to the work is purely a territorial thing that has nothing at all to do with providing better quality. If you want $50/hr to scrape gum or mop floors, you are very likely to lose that work to someone who will do it just as well for $20.
Thanks for the edit, Mike. I didn't feel that I was attacking the ability as much as the effort. Lots of newbies come here and post items that look like cell phone text messages. I was just trying to encourage the poster to make his point in a more reader-friendly style so that people would actually bother to read it.
Hey all - this will be a Union gig - as soon as I have all the facts I will post them, hopefully that will be in the next 2 weeks - have fun creating your conspiracy theories until then.
Eric Bartlett
At least you know your audience!
;D ;D
Thanks for the clarification.
Narrow minded is prob. the norm for the F-I-P's!
I've been work'n with all of u long enuff now that even I'm start'n to believe all the theories
hay!!! eye yam gitteen my sensitivities whompt awn hare! hail, awl eye wuz dune wuz halpeen a poscibilly disgruntled poster. tank hebbenz eric bartlett hast lernt two right sews everybuddy kin unnerstand.
this will most likely end up being good for bartlett and good for the decon techs. bartlett will be able to supply experienced decon techs year round. and exelon will benefit from their experience. the decon techs that get chosen for these positions will get the benefit ofhaving year round employment. like hoppe said im sure it has to do more with pay rates and possibly getting a better product from the personnel supplied then the personnel involved that the union supplied. since i have no inside knowledge of this situation im sure they will be limited benefits for the bartlett decon techs. The bartlett techs will most likely endure a transition period where they migth meet some resistance to them taking over and whom to contact with supply issues and personnel issues that might arise. And whom their point of contacts for various issues might be.you say experienced decon techs year round but thats not the case there was a bartlett tech at Dresden that got the job because he cut someones grass He had no EXPERIENCE the union lb there helped him get by at the outage .The union LBs have been doing the decon jobs for years . But I bet next year if BARTLETT SENDS PEOPLE LIKE THAT KID THAT DIDNT EVEN KNOW HOW TO READ THE METER THE UNION WHAT EVER IT BE LB;CARP;TEM;OP;OR IBEW LETS HIM DIG HIS OWN GRAVE BY THE WAY IM NOT A UNION LB I WAS JUST SEEING HOW MUCH PEOPLE WOULD READ INTO THE LOG IN NAME I USED :P
yOU SAY experienced decon techs year round BUT THATS NOT THE CASE THERE WAS A TECH AT DRESDEN THAT GOT THE JOB BECAUSE HE CUT ****** 'S GRASS HE HAD NO EXPERIENCE THE UNION LB THERE HELPED HIM THROW THE OUTAGE .THE UNION LB HAVE BEEN DOING THE DECON JOBS FOR YEARS . BUT I BET NEXT YEAR IF BARTLETT SENDS PEOPLE LIKE THAT KID THAT DIDNT EVEN KNOW HOW TO READ THE METER THE UNION WHAT EVER IT BE LB;CARP;TEM;OP;OR IBEW LETS HIM DIG HIS OWN GRAVE BY THE WAY IM NOT A UNION LB I WAS JUST SEEING HOW MUCH PEOPLE WOULD READ INTO THE LOG IN NAME I USED :P
But its not just one tech. I see were lbs do the grunt work and they do a great job. But when someone says the bartlett tech have more exp then the lbs on the job at hand thats wrong. In this area theres only a few that does the outages that keep coming back the others are new. I would think the first think you would need to know to work for a company that works at a nuke would have to be able to work a meter not just go though the moves . That why we have people getting crapped up in the the plant. tech with lack of exp
karma to you dave for pointing out that many of us have been doing this for close to 20 years and that people can learn from our experiences. While I have worked with lots of hp's and deconners that have trouble reading meters...lol I would also like to say not all sites qualify deconners to dose rate LLW, so in their defense if they are not properly trained they will not know how to do it.
But its not just one tech. I see were lbs do the grunt work and they do a great job. But when someone says the bartlett tech have more exp then the lbs on the job at hand thats wrong. In this area theres only a few that does the outages that keep coming back the others are new. I would think the first think you would need to know to work for a company that works at a nuke would have to be able to work a meter not just go though the moves . That why we have people getting crapped up in the the plant. tech with lack of exp
union LB,Your right it don't mean there doing it right but i would think and feel safe knowing that its being done the same way it has been for years by the LB doing it with exp. And not with just a person that had no job and Bartlett picked them out of the local bar to do the cavity decon so they could mean there #'s thats what it has looked like to me . And by talking to some of the tech that is about a true statment. it's not a deal of should bartlett do the deconing or not . it's that they had to say the can do it cheaper but at what cost and what exp do you get for that price? I this see this subject has not help me with any good karma.
Just because the LB's have been doing the decon work for a long time doesn't mean they've been doing it right all this time. Give the Bartlett decon techs a chance, you might learn a thing or two. As far as someone's "lawn boy" getting hired, that's just the nature of the beast. Right or wrong, you're always going to have some BS politics going on in one form or another.
Your right it don't mean there doing it right but i would think and feel safe knowing that its being done the same way it has been for years by the LB doing it with exp. And not with just a person that had no job and Bartlett picked them out of the local bar to do the cavity decon so they could mean there #'s thats what it has looked like to me . And by talking to some of the tech that is about a true statment. it's not a deal of should bartlett do the deconing or not . it's that they had to say the can do it cheaper but at what cost and what exp do you get for that price? I this see this subject has not help me with any good karma.
sober i be and if you ever been at a nuke plant the union laborers have LB on there hard hats short for laborers??? I've been to ~ 30 plants and none of them had LB on there hard hats... Usally they are color coded for the different trades...
I didn't know what LB meant. But I usually don't ask someone to explain the initials they use; it could be the only PC way to say something. Right, DILLIGAF?You are correct Tide... It wasn't until the second or third post when I realized what LB meant... 8)
You are correct Tide... It wasn't until the second or third post when I realized what LB meant... 8)And I thought it meant Lawn Boy. You see, you learn something new every day.
And I thought it meant Lawn Boy. You see, you learn something new every day.
And I thought it meant Lawn Boy. You see, you learn something new every day.;D Now that's funny, I don't care who you are... 8)
Thanks. I almost went nasal with my coffee.Leave off the almost...... ouch!
And what is the difference between that and going down to the local union hall?
They're probably more sober at the local bar. :^)
Not sure if this is the right place to post this. Has anyone else gotten their notice from Bartlett concerning health insurance? I got mine yesterday and as far as I can tell they DRASTICALLY changed my health insurance for the worst and my cobra pemiums went down a whopping $20 a month. The change takes effect January 1, 2007. Not a happy camper here.
yer gitting family coverage for how much? $143 is too much? hail, iffen i only paid that much when i had family, i wooda save 560 a month.my bad!
hay! lotsa times yinz go two da local bar to recruit 'n ya finds yer experienced union labor their. now whatcha supposed to do, go to the corner 'n ask fer green cards?
well i didn't mean to start anything i was just seeing what others thought.sorry if i got anyone upset here .
well i didn't mean to start anything i was just seeing what others thought.sorry if i got anyone upset here .
You were playing to a tough crowd. Most of people here are non-union and those who have been around for a while may remember the lack of support from the ComEd unions when the road techs tried to organize (both sides were IBEW). There are good and bad unions, I have worked plants where it was a few weeks or so before I knew they were union, at ComEd it hit you in the face at the door. ComEd unions do not fall into what many here would call a good union except for those in it.
....I worked COMED in the 90's with Dave Warren....
Dave, Red ...Illinois was home and I worked all of the ComEd (Exelon) plants (except Dresden) many times so I could be home on weekends. The union there at its core is very protectionist. I experienced the same circumstances that you did, I was one of the few at Quad that covered house maintenance in the 80's as a contractor. This does not change the nature of the union itself, even if there are good and bad people in it. In thier defense they did not excatly get the pick of the litter for contractors due to pay scale and bad reputation, you did have to prove yourself, that being said, contractors were not permitted to use the bathrooms, breakrooms, or cafeteria. Verbal abuse and even damage to contractors cars did happen. That is difficult to defend based on preferential treatment to a few people.
F-that..their attitude makes them all s***heads..& f-"proving" something to a bunch of yellow-hammers!
They get no defense! & they should get treated like S*** if they ever go on the road!
Live by the sword die by the sword...
Do unto others as you would want done unto you... ???
I am currently employed at Dresden as a deconner and I was just wondering if anyone knew for sure what was going on with the Bartlett contract. We were told they are supposed to take over at the end of March but then told everything was a hold for some reason. I hope everything works out for Bartlett but just remember there are people who currently have those jobs who will be unemployed.
Hey all - this will be a Union gig - as soon as I have all the facts I will post them, hopefully that will be in the next 2 weeks - have fun creating your conspiracy theories until then.
Eric Bartlett
so did barlett get the contract for the nukes in il. becaue i heared it was shot down in dec you said you would let us know.
I am soooo upset right now!! My husband has worked for Barlett for 10 yrs or more, and his father before him, for who knows how many years, and now he's being treated like some Joe-Blow off the streets. I totally understand the act of doing business, but this just isn't right.
In December, my husband put in for Comanche Peak. He was ultimately told that since he hasn't been there for a couple of outages, that he would be put in as a non-returnee. Jim contacted the site coordinator and left a message with him, wanting to know if he had received his resume yet and to let him know that he was interested in returning. After not hearing from the S.C., he contacted the office and was told that C.P. was staffed. Ok, so, what's he to do then? Sit on his thumbs and wait for the phone to ring? No, he went to another company who had positions opened at plants that he had been to when Bartlett had their contracts. He confirmed for 2 plants. Not 10 minutes after confirming, Bartlett called him saying that the S.C. wanted him at C.P., but Jim had to decline because he had already confirmed with the other company.
So, now Jim has requested to be put in for Palo Verde. When he called Barlett, he was told that PV was staffed. A couple of days later, he found out that there are actually 4-14 positions still available. So, he called back and spoke to someone else and was told that those positions were being held for people that are working FOR Bartlett...and asked him if he wanted to go to a couple of other sites that Bartlett holds the contract for, then he would be pretty much guarenteed a spot...but unless he breaks his commitment to the current company, he will not be guaranteed a spot. Give me a break!!
Jim spoke with Eric yesterday and Eric says he'll investigate the situation. I sure hope he does because, in my opinion, this is rediculous. Jim has made his fair share of money for Barlett and I just feel he's being treated like trash. The ONLY thing Jim has is his WORD!!! One thing that he will NOT break. When he confirms, he DOES NOT break his word. You would think that this would be commended in this industry, but no......
Lorrie A. Henson
Next season is a whole new season that will have techs, that are not working for us this season, working for us that we will try and take care of and there will be a techs that did help us this season that will go to Brand X next, that I wont be able to take care of because of I’ll be trying to take care of the ones that will be helping us next season.
For the record, my husband had no idea I wrote anything in here... I was speaking MY MIND, not his.
Just wanted to double-check whether this really means that, in the office as a whole, you only take into account what has happened this season when staffing the 'prime' outages?
(I would have thought previous loyalty would also be rewarded...?)
...Bartlett should be more straight up with people and say "we are holding those spots for people who have been loyal to Bartlett lately, or this cycle"...
...sometimes when they call Bartlett (especially juniors) they may not get a call back. Not professional...I know things get busy but that is still no excuse, my opinion here and since I have not ever been a recruiter I could be wrong about this. I hope I wouldn't do this if I was a recruiter, but I haven't walked a mile in thier shoes... Bartlett could be better with communications...
For the record, my husband had no idea I wrote anything in here... I was speaking MY MIND, not his.
I think it should be noted that a lot of bad feelings could be spared if we all tried to understand the people are just trying to do their jobs - and let them do their jobs instead of trying to go around them.
We all want this or that outage at any given time, but there is only ONE person who can get us into that slot - the recruiter.
Not that anyone was doing anything underhanded here, but calling the site is absolutely NOT the way to find out if there are slots. The SC and other techs at a site might know a limited part of the picture, but not enough. It is not their job to staff outages. Contacting the site bypasses the one person who has the techs names in one hand and the vacancies in the other - the recruiter.
I totally disagree with this, T.
As Eric has pointed out, Bartlett's concern is taking care of their techs. My concern is going to the outages I want to go to. If Bartlett is refusing to staff me into an outage where I am a multiple-time returnee (just so they can do favors for people who have never been there), I won't hesitate to call the plant and have my resume requested.
Bartlett is the "supplier" as is every other man staffing company. The customer has every right to hire whom THEY want. ANYBODY thinking they can hold on to resumes because they don't get along with, don't like or the contractor doesn't bleed the Company color is plain wrong. Their function is to supply resumes there-by supplying 'service'. Like you've also stated you've all worked for everybody at some point. You go where the money is, the supplier would be morally wrong to begrudge you for wanting make money close to home, further from home or for making more money, whaterver the case may be.
If the worker HAD to go work where they it was less disireable for them, then they should be compensated for doing so. Not simply by being rolled into 3 more two week jobs, with the stress of moving added on, they should be able to work where they want, and not fear the possibility of retrobution. Because they make money off of all workers, there should be no favoritism, they bill the same for everyone.
I can't believe you even mentioned the word 'LOYALTY', I won't even go there.
If you don't back door your way in, or call in a card, you're srewing yourself out of a job. Tell me, is the guy you bow out to sending you a cut of his check?
True..... slugs do get in that way, so is the nature of the beast. It's up to management (the plant) to see the worker for the quality work they do and "HIRE" accordingly.
at this site, the Customer does the hiring, NOT the supplier.
...IE here is the web site...make sure you can pass the exam before you get on site...something you should be able to look at while your driving down to Grand Gulf! ;D
Bartlett doesnt give offer letters.that's why i always record the confirmation all I make when i'm going to work for them (or anyone else that doesn't give an offer letter. I've never had a 'misunderstanding' when I got to a worksite for 'B' but i have with other companies and the recorded conversation helped straighten it out. In my home state it is legal to record any conversation you are engaged in.....I don't think it's that way everywhere.
EB,
Scrap the offer letter! I was simply being sarcastic! Doing business like them may very well yield the results they are experiencing today.
RG
For those of you who that aren't in the know... after spending a wonderful day in downtown Seneca shopping, I stopped by the grocery store to grab a few things and someone decided they needed my billfold worse than me and stole it. Like most women I carried the world in it, cash, credit cards, photos, reciepts, notes, you name it, lol.
With no money, no id and a growing sense of dread the only thing I could think of was Henry and thank goodness I remembered Bartletts phone number...
I've heard the Bartlett, Exelon decon contract has been shot down. Any truth to this or just a rumor? Anybody heard? Thanks!
Technically, they have been for sale since the investory bought them.
Hey..add me in Women Owned Biz will help with the contracts :-* :-*We have NJ for the female.
We have NJ for the female.Can I be the senior citizen? Plus I'm a single white male, the new minority!
I am the disabled Vet.
We need some minorities and Indians and we are in there.
What's the going price, Mike?
You and me, 50/50, Troja will answer phones for us and serve coffee.
Dave..Is that "THE END OF AN ERROR"? Count me in! :-* :-*
Allright, we got NJ, DaveWarren, PHurst and Rennhack.
Marssim wont do it unless we go 51/49.
Troja costs too much.
You know, despite all the horror stories I've read here, I still really want to work for Bartlett. I'm on the back up list for Palo Verde currently. Anyone know how efficient that might be?
-ST
Not rumors, Bartlett is for sale.
LM
Depending on which Sovereign Wealth fund decides to bid, we could see...
as a 6 year nuclear decon tech and having only worked for Bartlett, still being considered a Jr decon pisses me off always told you have 2 more months but that is ok i love the job...returnee to most plants that i go to and they all see me as a sr just with out the pay, one day i will make the sr pay too. But the one thing that ticks me off is those of us that have been faithful to Bartlett and not jumped ship to Atlantic or Aerotech seem to get the shaft in jobs....and the "newbies" with a year or 2 in get the jobs that i was told as a newbie i didn't have the quals or time in they wanted the experience....i have that now and the newbies get the Job can someone explain this...maybe..... just curious as to why the playing field changed. I have never gotten a bad evaluation coming out of an outage...can't be my reputatuion or i wouldn't be a 6 time returnee to plants. Thanks if some one can answer this i would appreciate it.
as a 6 year nuclear decon tech and having only worked for Bartlett, still being concidered a Jr decon pisses me off always told you have 2 more months but that is ok i love the job...returnee to most plants that i go to and they all see me as a sr just with out the pay, one day i will make the sr pay too. But the one thing that ticks me off is those of us that have been faithful to Bartlett and not jumped ship to Atlantic or Aerotech seem to get the shaft in jobs....and the "newbies" with a year or 2 in get the jobs that i was told as a newbie i didn't have the quals or time in they wanted the experience....i have that now and the newbies get the Job can someone explain this...maybe..... just curious as to why the playing field changed. I have never gotten a bad evaluation coming out of an outage...can't be my reputatuion or i wouldn't be a 6 time returnee to plants. Thanks if some one can answer this i would appreciate it.
Eric we have discussed this and you have helped me you gave me 2 months time that no one else counted a Harris outage and a Calvert Cliffs one. My first outage was in the fall of 03 at Peachbottom and haven't missed one there since then....have been faithful to the Excelon system except for Oyster Creek,(and I will work at McDonalds before i go back there) but have tried for 3 outages to get into clinton was always told they only take Srs. I know for a fact 4 or 5 people that were there this past spring with 2 yrs less than me maybe even 3 yrs less. and this may help you we share the same last name but we aren't related. I have done 5 Peach outages going back a 6th time next week, 4 Limerick and 2 TMI....but can't get into clinton....i can't figure it out why maybe it isn't for me to know...but when i was always told lack of experience then i see people with less time alot less time don'tesn't sit well.
I got confused, I saw the avatar, and that it was YOU DW.... I knew hydro dave could do it. I think it's false advertising - him having YOUR picture as his avatar.The other person that got the job you wanted might have only been in the buisness since 2005, but they may have had the same job since then, giving them THREE actual years of 'experience'
If you have been in the biz since 2003, that dosent mean you have 5 (or 6) years of experience. It means that you have been doing this for 5 (or 6) years. You have worked outages only, so you probably have less than 2 years of 'experience'. The other person that got the job you wanted might have only been in the buisness since 2005, but they may have had the same job since then, giving them THREE actual years of 'experience'. You don't get 'experience' credt for sitting on the couch at home. If we did... I'd have 37 years of experience instead of 12 or 19 or whatever I have on the books.
Another option... the 'other' person might be related to some one more important... or people might not like you as much as you think.
(let the hate mail and smiting begin)
Eric we have discussed this and you have helped me you gave me 2 months time that no one else counted a Harris outage and a Calvert Cliffs one. My first outage was in the fall of 03 at Peachbottom and haven't missed one there since then....have been faithful to the Excelon system except for Oyster Creek,(and I will work at McDonalds before i go back there) but have tried for 3 outages to get into clinton was always told they only take Srs. I know for a fact 4 or 5 people that were there this past spring with 2 yrs less than me maybe even 3 yrs less. and this may help you we share the same last name but we aren't related. I have done 5 Peach outages going back a 6th time next week, 4 Limerick and 2 TMI....but can't get into clinton....i can't figure it out why maybe it isn't for me to know...but when i was always told lack of experience then i see people with less time alot less time don'tesn't sit well.
as a 6 year nuclear decon tech and having only worked for Bartlett, still being concidered a Jr decon pisses me off always told you have 2 more months but that is ok i love the job...returnee to most plants that i go to and they all see me as a sr just with out the pay, one day i will make the sr pay too. But the one thing that ticks me off is those of us that have been faithful to Bartlett and not jumped ship to Atlantic or Aerotech seem to get the shaft in jobs....and the "newbies" with a year or 2 in get the jobs that i was told as a newbie i didn't have the quals or time in they wanted the experience....i have that now and the newbies get the Job can someone explain this...maybe..... just curious as to why the playing field changed. I have never gotten a bad evaluation coming out of an outage...can't be my reputatuion or i wouldn't be a 6 time returnee to plants. Thanks if some one can answer this i would appreciate it.
Hey,
Bartlett has the HP contract for the upcoming outage at Point Beach if I'm not mistaken. Who's the Site Coordinator going to be?
HAIRDUDE
This September, I will have been in the business for 28 years.
Take it from me, if your working at Calvert Cliffs your not an "A" tech. I've worked there many of times, and I know my real ranking. By the way, does anyone have the scoop on what happen to the regional cordinator of Brunswick, Harris, and that region?
Thanx Smart.
By the way ... I'm probably going to ruffle a feather or two in saying this ... but ... I think it's time for a little reality injection in here.
Take a look around. Do you know anyone else who has no degree (many in our business do not have degrees) and makes the kind of money we make? I have two ex-schoolmates who are Lawyers, and they still don't make what I make. No offense intended, but try picking up a newspaper and finding something in the want ads that you are qualified to do that pays what we make.
Okay ... I'll put away my soapbox.
Just my humble opinion.
Floyd Flanigan
I was from a previous field (degreed) and from my perspective you are correct in your statements. Even after I got into this business I continuously checked other fields. I found I like this one better, pay is better and I don't have to wear a monkey suit to the office everyday 8).Yep, you get to wear the banana suit instead.
Hairdud(e),Over the past couple of years I have tried many, many times to get juniors involved in job coverage. Lately, just getting them in the can is difficult. Outages are understaffed and getting a junior in the can is nearly impossible. I have run across house that don't want to allow juniors in for big jobs like head lift or jumping generators etc... In the last couple of years I have run into juniors that haven't even been in the can and it wasn't their first outage!! I was never paid to be a job coverage trainer but I did work at one plant that paid me to tutor technicians on the NUF or Northeast Utilities Exam as it used to be called. When I can I try to teach decon to use meters, when possible I take the decon technician with me when I count the post decon smears (and teach them how to use a frisker) and I try to get any junior that shows interest some job coverage experience. It can be frustrating when you ask house to bring a junior in for an evolution and you get no for an answer.
Hey even us old guys have feelings ( as in ask the old farts). I have helped train a lot of techs over the last 30 + years and it is very difficult now to take the time to train the next generation. When you are working outages that are understaffed I find it is much easier (and preferred by the utility) to just handle the nasty jobs than it is to let someone who has not been there and done that cover the job. In 15 years in and out of the Bartlett system I have never been hired or paid to be a trainer at any job. Has anyone else met a trainer/job coverage technician ? A lot of us still try to be nice and help others when we can, but in the last 10 years it has become very difficult.
As for the Bartlett issue ... It's good to see some of the people with good experiences come out of the proverbial woodwork and share their experiences. There are a lot of houses, cars, trucks and personal watercraft out there which were bought with Bartlett dollars, along with dollars from SEC, Numanco, GTS, PSESI etc. Working for one, two or all of the contracting companies has been of great benefit to all of us over the years and I believe will continue on for many years to come. Sometimes we dwell a bit too much on the down-side of things. I think that is just the nature of the beast. Being torqued at the boss from time to time is status quo in any business. But before any of us pull up stakes and give the old one-finger-salute to any of them, I think we need to mosey out to the garage and look over our toys ... maybe walk out to the curb and get a good look at the house we live in or look around at the family we've been able to provide a good life for ... and maybe, just maybe, come to the conclusion that it's all worth it.
Okay,...Bartlett's refrigerator isn't working right?!?!?,... :P
I'd take decon or Jr. position, just want to get familiar with what has changed.
I think your " outage" wardrobe would scare them.
Back on topic: I know of several house guys who take vacation and work an outage. Call Eric - see what he has. Also check out his post tonight about Outage Information - Bartlett has added information to their site concerning all the upcoming outages - what you need prior to going, places to stay - information on the are and contact numbers. They did a great job of setting this up - Karma for saving the trees too 8)
Here I copied Eric's post - it's in the Career Path - Outages - Outage Reporting Information area (in case it disappears as we type on about the DummyCrats :o )
This is more of an informational post than anything else - Its been brought to my attention that a lot of technicians are not aware of or failed to understand that Bartlett is not sending out "Welcome Packages" as a standard now-a-days. Bartlett has set up Site Information Blogs on our website to furnish y'all with information y'all will need such as report time & place, directions, lodging listings, etc... Upon confirmation each individual should have been made aware of these blogs and if they did not have access to a computer a welcome package should have been sent. If for some reason you do not think that the recruiter who confirmed you this season informed you about this change please notify me so that I can get that recruiter recalibrated. To view these blogs go to www.bartlettinc.com, click on Outage List or Employment Forms on the Bartlett Home Page, then click on the "Site Information Websites" link to the left. This will bring you to a full listing of the outages that we are staffing for the Fall '08 season. If anyone should have any questions or concerns regarding these blog sites please contact me at the Bartlett office x1289 or drop me an e-mail ericb@bartlettinc.com.
I've worked with both Radbastard and Silverback. Both are great techs.
I know they will watch my back.
Eric,
Hear that the company is being sold to Areva Any comment?
LM
Hear that the company is being sold to Areva Any comment?
Now Bartlett, will supply people no matter what the circumstance. If a Sr.is getting $30, Bartlett is charging $60. A TQT is getting $15, Bartlett is getting $30.
I REALLY HOPE THIS IS A NASTY RUMOR!
Nothing against Areva - I like working with them but they can be cowboys. How would you control them if you're on their payroll? Talk about a conflict of interst................... :o
I guess instead of contractors assisting house with Refueling & SG's they'll be working in the Aux building doing surveys, smearing, clearing, ..........hmmm.....isn't it cheaper to train a bunch of Jr's to do the work with a few contract Sr's as oversight.................? :-X
On a Positive Note......
Bartlett Impressed me this past week!
RG!
Eric, Hear that the company is being sold to Areva Any comment?Bartlett has met with a number of potential buyers, i do believe Areva was one of them. I truthfully haven't paid attention to who is looking at us, until its a done deal it doesn't affect me. After i find out who makes an offer then I'll pay attention, until then i just try to get by day to day.
LM
Now Bartlett, will supply people no matter what the circumstance. If a Sr.is getting $30, Bartlett is charging $60. A TQT is getting $15, Bartlett is getting $30. It has ALWAYS been that way. Does anyone REALLY think Bartlett or ANY company will give up anything for the techs when almost anyone can fill the job?
I don't know which break room you got your information from, but you are dead wrong. If ANY company could charge a 2.0 multiplier, I would start staffing outages tomorrow with a 1.5 multiplier (thats $45 for a $30 tech). The truth of the matter is that the multiplier is VERY VERY low, that is why there is no competition.
I write proposals for various nuclear companies. I KNOW what I am talking about. The cost to employ a person, with no benefits or minimum benefits is between 23 and 34%. That is called a 1.23 or 1.34 multiplier. Anything they charge past that would be profit, cost or more benefits for the employee.
MOST companies charge 1.3 to 1.45 for a technician.
I dont mean to jump on you, its just I keep seeing people post the same incorrect information all the time. Bartlett (or any company for the matter) does not make much money off of a single technician. The money comes in the volume. The profit on a single tech is about $1-2/hr, depending on operating expenses. If you have 1 million billable man hours thats a million dollars profit. If you have 4 guys working 40 hours a week, thats $160 a week profit. I can go to Michigan and make better money returning cans for the 10 cent deposit. But get a project with 300 people working 40 hours a week Thats $625k/yr profit.
You dont have to believe me, but its the truth as I know it.
Mike - Thanks for the explanation - you saved me some typing - the truth as you know it is as accurate as can be other than that a 45%mark-up is also extremely high - cut that in half brother and you'll still be above the industry average.
Just wondering when the 2009 Spring Outage Wishlist is coming out. Two or Three weeks keeps going by.
OK, I just picked myself up off the floor after reading that! How did we manage that RG?
shawnee man.... yinz dit da impreshun yer under payed?
I still get called "Tech A" by some techs that knew me back then... ;D
On a Positive Note......
Bartlett Impressed me this past week!
RG!
OK, I just picked myself up off the floor after reading that! How did we manage that RG?
>:(
I used to work as a house employee for a utility and recently decided to go on the road to find a better utility to go house with more room for advancement. I always thought the contractors who complained about Bartlett when they came in during outages were just the complaining type since my site doesn't pay well and the bottom of the barrel was all we ever got. Plus I live in williamsburg VA and had frequent contact with Ballard through mutual friends and thought he was a stand up enough guy.Well after working for bartlett for just one year I must admit I was wrong. From the lying by recruiters to the blatant disrespect by that idiot in per deim I now see this company cares nothing about the contractors. I just got off the phone with the per deim girl to fix a problem that MY SITE COORDINATOR caused and was totally treated like I was stupid and like I had caused the problem. Plus I have to pay money for their mistake! Its not the money but the principle. A BS MBA and Six Sigma Training and I'm dumb lol. The recruiters would straight lie over the phone to try and force me to go places I had no business going. Luckily I managed my money before I left my house job and repeatedly was in a position to tell the recruiter to stick it several times. I truly feel bad for the individuals who have to be treated like this to make a living. My "experiment" on the road has educated me on how one company, when too big, can mistreat the little guy time and time again.
I have recently taken the job of program RP training administrator at another utility starting in june. I will never forget how Bartlett treats its workers. Soon I will announce where I am so that contractors will come and I will help them get through the Northeast Exam and the NRRPT in the hopes that they can get out of the grip of this terrible company. My plan is to be an RPM in 5 to 9 years and by then I hope to have enough influence to rid our site and hopefully the utility of Bartlett all together. Is this holding a grudge, no not really, its more of doing the right thing to help others. Bartlett needs competition to be forced to recruit workers and not have workers beg them for work.
It really is a sad sad state of affairs concerning those who rely on Bartlett for work.
A BS MBA and Six Sigma Training and I'm dumb lol.
Jr.....Ditto.... well said
MikeB, always a gentleman.
SloGo, didn't understand a word, but I'm sure it was 'right-on'
Scottt, you never posted where you were now.... ???
BTW, what a phukn cop out, your last post sounds like chicken shiite babblin', I'm pulling the bullshit flag on the 'ALL the SCs that called' to quell poor little Scottt's hurt feelwings comment.
I gotta say, I've only had one major issue since '87, and that was just a few years ago, I aired it on here, Mike sent me a pm, I called, discussed it and he spoke to the person needing speaking to, saw Mike Ballard soon afterward and all was good. (problem was not with Ballard)
I wonder..... if you're such an upstanding, "intelligent" individual, why'd you leave the house ranks to fall into the pits of the contractor world? You seem like such an easy fella to get along with. Surely it wasn't your personality.
I also went through an episode with Bartlett, similar. I am a former House tech, a former Numanco tech prior to that. In December last year, I confirmed for Hatch through Bartlett. I also stated I would like to go to Farley, and then Browns Ferry. Middle of January, I was lied to by a Very familiar recruiter from Bartlett that my release date did not match my report date to Farley. I discussed the situation, and decided that Sequoyah and Browns Ferry would be best. Up until Feb 1, I had no confirmation on work after Hatch, nor did Bartlett move on my wishes. When I called to let them know I accepted work else where with their competitor, instead of reporting to Hatch, they had work for me else where, but still not for Sequoyah, nor Brownsferry.
Bartlett has a habit for making sure theirs are taken care of first. If you are not Bartlett Blue through and through, don't depend on them. This season, will tell their true colors. Not able to staff and potential to lose a nice gig. Eric, you used to take care of me, but I do believe you have lost contact with what your recruiters are actually doing to people. There was no reason for what SCOTT went through, and there is no reason for what I went through!! Your recruiters are doing the staffing, not you. Get in touch with what is actually happening with your company. Joe
The fact is, trust but verify.
OK, back to reality....
This is a business, plain and simple.
Body farm or meat factory, it's techs in and techs out.
Sometimes, yeah it seems like the company cares about you, and that is usually because the site coordinator just happens to be a real human being, and for those we all thank you.
Otherwise it's all business, nothing personal, so they say.
But there are those techs out there that have been screwed by a devious recruiter. All is not perfect and not all techs are perfect, but let the techs who have had problems tell their side of the story, hopefully with out "unjustified character assassination", cause that water downs your point. And that is where they attack your creditability, loosing sight of the truth you are trying to tell.
No company is perfect and no job is perfect. And anybody who quits a house job to see what the contractor life is all about isnt telling the whole truth about why they left, end of story.
But this forum is the perfect place to tell your story and look for advice from those who have worked the trenches, asked the questions and been lied to (from all directions), just dont make it personal. Or the Bartlett Blue Boys will come out in defense of their Sugar Daddy, and even the home office will slide in to work their "PR" magic, but its all after the fact. Where were these people when you needed them, when you were having the issues.
Where were they when they told you your favorite plant was staffed for their up coming outage and there was no slot for you. Then you call the plant and they never saw your resume and were wondering where you were, and you found out the plant was holding a slot for you and others. The fact is, trust but verify. It's not always what they are telling you, as much as what they are not telling you, just ask the "Boys from Brazil".
That is what happens. It's a business, the stories are true and they will happen again, hopefully not to you. 8)
Unc, I almost always agree with you, but maybe you should have considered whether the short-term expedience of working Diablo was worth damaging your relationship with Bartlett.
My guess is a booming HellYeah it was!
But the truth remains that you ditched them for Diablo, and were willing to pay the price for doing that. So, don't complain that you actually had to pay it.
We can't have it both ways, bro.
How do you define a "slug" tech. When asked to do a survey, they say, "I don't know how?" For one, it does not take an Einstein to be a Rad tech. Somehow, even this "slug" manages to travel across the country, shows up to work, forwards up to a $1000 out of their pocket to get the room, food, etc. before the outage begins. I say most "slugs" in our field are better than a lot of pro's in another. Some are better, faster, or after 20 returns to the same place know the routine. Even our lowest slug may catch that unposted Hi rad area preventing an NRC fine. If any one of us are such a "slug" the plants do not mince words and tells them so. I am tired of all this infighting tech on tech, we should be united. We do a hard job, work under difficult conditions, and sometimes are not rewarded with outages that allow us to survive. Our obtaining work is everything to us and if we are being played around with we have a right to complain or we finally leave the field.
Some People deserve to be put on the bottom of the pile. Most I see are justified in that position. Bartlett will as a good business pick from the best and S*** can the rest when submitting for a outage and rightfully so, So if you are a bottom of the Barrell returnee> My opinion you are worse than a rookie with no experience. Bartlett should treat you as such especially if you have been bottom of the Barrel more than once, ...
And told him he did not act right no food for you.
To all the crybabies :'(
If you are a good tech and not a crybaby you will not have a problem going to any plant you want.(99% of the time)
I get so tired of these people talk about how they get mistreated or always having a problem with the office not submitting them to the plants they want to go.
Most of you guys are slugs that is lucky anybody will give you a job anyway.
Think about it. You are a returnee and you still can not get a slot? You call and they say we never saw your resume. HELLO What did you want them to say to you. WHEN YOU CALL THEM BUGGING THE SH-- OUT OF THEM. Of course they say they did not see your resume.
So get a clue and MAN UP. Stop crying!
Ok, so what do you say about the house calling you and asking why you didn't get submitted when they thought you wanted to work an outage there? Or you feel arm twisted to go to an outage you don't want to go to, then are told your resume was not accepted, even we you are a former house tech that has returned a number of times. Then with less than 36hrs left to start date, asked to jump thru hoops to go? So NOW I am accepted?
I Have had better luck overall with Bartlett, and have a great gig with them now. However there are times I would rather chew on broken glass than deal with some people thru the office. And as far as not getting work when working for another company? I have had great luck when I needed to have a change getting back to work for Bartlett.
So what am I saying? It works both ways sometimes. Some people in the office will mis-inform you, intentional or not. Some of us (me included at times) can be grumpy old farts that are hard to deal with. That really want to go to a certain place, or have a real hard spot with a Site coordinator or site for what ever reason. Still comes down to us accepting or not and living with that decision. Then doing our job when there.
Having real problems? Call Eric. He may not really solve a problem, but I know first hand he will talk to you and will try to figure out what is going on. Some problems cannot be solved. That's called life, deal with it. I am just happy to still be alive & able to work, and at a site that has gone out of it's way to work with me as I finish recovering from my accident. I'm a little slower, but still going....
HydroDave LOL, Karma for You, No returnee status if you are a bum or Dum, Rookie Meat is more Sweet!! Yum !! Than Dum or Bum returnee!!! No Burn mee For A Scum Returnee. I will cook my Rookie meat the way I like and if that burns me I will throw it in the fire and ask for another new hire. So many Fire and new hire, we will keep only the ones that turn out Well, No burnt, No rare idiot. Problem solved!!
First, give Bartlett a break. If it were not for them, most of us could not find a Job. Yea, Bartlett!
Yea, Eric, the Obi Wan Kenobi of Bartlett.
"The jobs were startled easily, like in the Spring, but they will be back this Fall in greater numbers"
Don't be so hard on fellow techs. We are an aging workforce who are what we got until the next generation gets off the video games and takes over.
I would trust age and treachery over youth and inexperience anytime.
you should be last in and first out. Thats what bartlett should do with you guys.
So be happy that you still get jobs. Stop the whining about how wrong bartlett is doing you.
you might be surprised at who reads these, and may not want YOU as the corporate spokesmodel :P
First, I love Bartlett!
You sound like you are one of the one's people have been talking about.
you think just because you are getting old it gives you a reason to be a slug!
I do not have a problem with you guys getting work with the rest of us hard working tech's somebody has to do control points but do not think you should get your pick of plants and stay until the end of the outage.
Lets "Talk about Bartlett"...
The ones that are usually the hard working tech's do not need to say they are, it is noticed by others.
Eric.
Does your company have any entry level jobs left or do you expect to be getting anymore , anytime soon ?
Have a great day everyone :)
Thank you,
Jas
HPTS brought in a proctologist for the 88 outage at Beaver Valley. At least he said he was a proctologist. We were all scratching our heads over that one. I'm thinking that was just a nice welcome from the hose techs to the contractors. :o
Some plants will bring in medical personnel when there is some major work going on where a lot of contractors are onsite. Calvert used some EMT's during the SGR
HPTS brought in a proctologist for the 88 outage at Beaver Valley. At least he said he was a proctologist.He was really close to to becoming a gynecologist but Marty was the only person I knew that saw him professionally.
Does your company hire Registered Nurses for outages?
Eric, what are the chances of long term positions for Jr HPs or procedure writers?
Thanks for answering everyone's questions in here!! K to ya!
LOWEST COMPENSATION IN THE INDUSTRY
I really have to laugh at the posts i read throughout these forums, people complaining about their wages,who they work for,who they work with, ect. please look around at others that make a 3rd of what you make and see if they are complaining? just happy that they can make a living and support their families!
just a thought
eye herd a rumor dat bartlett has 200 permanent hp tech employees. tru or faulse?
eye herd a rumor dat bartlett has 200 permanent hp tech employees. tru or faulse?
I have had more problems with Bartlett than any other company that i have worked for. The last time i work for Bartlett i was at Trukey Pt. When i got my first check it was short several hundred dollars, there was a deduction for court ordered child support.I don't have any kids on this earth. I called and was told that i would have to go through the courts to get it back and that i needed to step up the plate and be a real parent and do my duty. After several weeks and threat of litigation they gave me my money back, when they realized that they was another rad worker with my name. Even though they knew that the social security #'s didn't match they were convinced that i was the dead beat dad. Hey Bartlett "I DON'T HAVE AND CHILDREN" maybe this is why they won't hire me today. Bartlett can NOT claim to be an Equal Opportunity Employer when they won't even submit your resume. And every time i have worked for them i have always done my job and got a good review. Just this year i submitted my resume for approval at Turkey and BARTLETT didn't even return my calls or e-mails. Well theres no shame in welfare.Remo
I really have to laugh at the posts i read throughout these forums, people complaining about their wages,who they work for,who they work with, ect. please look around at others that make a 3rd of what you make and see if they are complaining? just happy that they can make a living and support their families!stockholm syndrone
just a thought
core techs @ duke, d.o.e. techs, those ain't permanent employees, r they? aye mean, iffen they are, den dey are. iffen they ain't, they ain't.
of coarse, i'm thinking dat since theirs no official denial, then bartlett is employing hp techs as permanent employees. some wear.
If by permanent employee you mean someone that is non-billable and not hired under a specific "site contract", basically some one paid out of overhead such as myself then the answer is no, we do not have 200 techs "permanently" employed.tanks eric. aye mean, iffen dare was such a position, eye wood be glad to bee billabull as often as possible. ;) butt, i yam guessing dat aisle hafta keep my resume two myself now. dang. ;D
I will outside this forum. I don't won't to waste time on the details. But I'll bet I'm not the first RP that the recruiters have misled or outright lied to. If the recruiters simply laid out the details of the compensation package and those were accurate when we arrive on site, I believe there would be less room for complaint. I take a job based on what I'm offered either now or for some consideration in the future. Those of us that work unhappily want something out of Bartlett later. If that turns out to be untrue as well then there is a pattern of lies. If the company can't be trusted to deliver what they offer then we'll stop working for them. If they deliver what on the promises made then our acceptance is a statement that the deal was good enough.iffen yinz feel like ya get lyed to alot, simply write down yer version of the phone call, send a copy to the office for their comments, read what they right back, 'n get across that s.o.p.
I suggest that you contact Eric Bartlett directly with the details and get your issues resolved.
I'd be happier if Bartlett recruiters would just stop lying to us.
I didn't get one.
Have worked as an HP for nearly 30 years now, mostly as a contactor, both DOE and utilities and many different employers. My memories are mostly positive. I have had minor disagreements or misunderstandings with all of them occasionally. I have most consistently worked for Bartlett. Eric and his staff have treated me well. That said ,please put more pressure on the utilities to raise the travel pay up to where it needs to be for a boy living on the west coast!
Anyone know why Bartlett's website is down??? Has been for a few days...
Secondly there is this quote “It’s the ole ‘no-show’ answer from Bartlett. When will the industry grow tired of this worn out scenario? How many outages has your name been used?”
Now some vendors may have done this in the past and some may do this in the present, but I can tell you, and take this with a grain of salt if you would like, that in the 40+ staffing seasons I have been doing this, Bartlett has never and I repeat never placed a name on a roster as being confirmed unless that name was actually confirmed. We have however placed names on rosters to hold spots. When we have done this those names were identified on the roster(s) as not being confirmed and that they were on there to hold a slot while the individual checked on a myriad of things prior to officially confirming, normally at the bequest of the individual tech themselves so that they would not lose the slot while they were trying to decide what to do. This practice of holding slots for individuals by placing their name on the roster & noting that it was a “hold slot” deal was abandoned after the spring 2008 season. On a side note, because we stopped that practice, we now are accused of strong arming techs to confirm for jobs by telling them that we can’t guarantee their slot will be there next time they call in if they don’t want to confirm at this time.
What Eric wrote regarding the status of staffing at DC Cook is fact. I'm curious what industry publication this was posted on, and who/where the original information came from. :-\
Only one problem, not one of the dozen or so people that were missing had ever confirmed for the outage. I had personal conversations with techs that told me they had turned it down when they were called wanting the summer off. They didn't "tenatively" accept anything. There was much conversation about this, I am kind of suprised that it never bubbled up to your level.
I am sure that many things happen in the field under the corporate radar screen, it happens with all companies that have many layers of management. I am sure that you (Eric) would not condone this type of behaviour, but as management, you inherit the responsibility of being accountable for the actions of the folks below you. Or better yet, accountable for managing these problems with the folks below you. From my personal perspective, it seems to me that this is a problem or at least has been a problem at some time. Based on your statement I felt I owed you the information.
I have a short story I'd like to share about an outage I worked a couple of years ago in Nebraska (I am not going to name plants or people in a public forum). Sorry for the length.
I was working a steam generator outage on the west coast, non-Bartlett. Toward the end of that outage I got a call from Bartlett along with several of my other co-RP's. The request was that when we get done with our current job, could we support an outage in Nebraska. The timing was ok and Bartlett had always treated me good so I confirmed. Several of my co-workers, for what ever reason decided not to accept the offer. When those of us that did confirm, arrived to the site for training there was a roster of the techs that were scheduled to work the outage. The different areas of the plant had already divided up many of the names and put them on schedules for the outage, plant supervisors told us that they were expecting those people to show up. Only one problem, not one of the dozen or so people that were missing had ever confirmed for the outage. I had personal conversations with techs that told me they had turned it down when they were called wanting the summer off. They didn't "tenatively" accept anything. There was much conversation about this, I am kind of suprised that it never bubbled up to your level.
I am sure that many things happen in the field under the corporate radar screen, it happens with all companies that have many layers of management. I am sure that you (Eric) would not condone this type of behaviour, but as management, you inherit the responsibility of being accountable for the actions of the folks below you. Or better yet, accountable for managing these problems with the folks below you. From my personal perspective, it seems to me that this is a problem or at least has been a problem at some time. Based on your statement I felt I owed you the information.
Peace :)
Brett
Two weeks before we were to show up at Brunswick in February, MA unemployment cancelled our claims, saying Bartlett told them we were back at work. When we called Bartlett, Frank Cohen took care of the situation and appologized for the problem, but our unemployment claim didn't get up to date for about two weeks.
EB,
I do have one question:
Is this situation real, or just a fabricated story?
No Answer, is an Answer.......... ;)
RG..... 8)
Not just Bartlett, many companies will and do, sometimes case by case, sometimes every case,....
EB,
I do have one question:
Is this situation real, or just a fabricated story?
No Answer, is an Answer.......... ;)
RG..... 8)
roadhp,
That wasn't a challenge question for you! I hate to be the critic, but usually when a posting starts out with a unique identified, such as "EB", it is addressed to a specific individual.... >:(
I'm having a flashback from the court scene in my Cousin Vinny.... :o
EB...AND EB ONLY,
Is it a practice of Bartlett to contact the various state UCI agencies and intervene in an individuals claim?
I'm probably the only one who wants to know that......RG.
The process does tend to separate the employers who are basically decent people from the employers who are basically jerks.
I have worked for Bartlett in the past and within the past year, submitted my SSN through PHQ's. I recently went to the website to try and populate my personnel profile.....but couldn't even see my personnel profile. Can you walk us through this new method, perhaps?
why its dumb at this point..
Eric will never see this
http://www.nukeworker.com/job/view.php?job_id=28932
a potential job with an immediate report date...interesting
http://www.nukeworker.com/job/view.php?job_id=28949
submit copy of core card with resume...interesting
i worked for bartlett at a particular place, took the core test, passed it and never got a "card". i asked about this and was basically told to mind my own business
typical BS
big blue has gotten too big...for it's britches...they contribute to stagnating wages, they have some of the worst recruiters i've worked with (mainly because of lying), they practice nepotism (on a grand scale at one plant i worked at and was told it was like that at all plants in the fleet, which i partially verified), they routinely hire people that can't qualify slowing those that can down, etc etc
i only work for bartlett when i have to, and that isn't going to change