** NUKEWORKER AGE POLL **

[S T I G]

The purposes of this anonymous 2 month long Age Poll is to:

1)Find out the average age the nukeworker.com member, and

2)See if there are any patterns in the age distribution of people working this nuclear community.

*Once again this is completely confidential voting and the poll is purely for fun so enjoy and vote!*

[retired nuke]

as we have all witnessed from a recent pissoff contest that was posted here - there is NO anonymity on the internet...

Right Mike??

[Imaginos]

Why is nineteen not an option? What's wrong with nineteen? I mean, I admittedly am not nineteen, but I was once, for probably close to a year... 

[S T I G]

fixed it thanks

[Rennhack]

as we have all witnessed from a recent pissoff contest that was posted here - there is NO anonymity on the internet...
Right Mike??

Did I win?

[GLW]

Did I win?

yup, pretty much you won, with disconcerting effect you flexed your webmaster skills past the dichotomy of "just because one can does not mean one should" into the dark side of "because I can, I will",...

a side of you I never would have believed was there until you demonstrated it,...

all legal and public like,.....

you proved you could win, but, like a cop with a badge and a gun, you did not have to, we already knew you could,....

[Content1]

Notice near 1/2 are over 50.  This is a hard business to get the experience to do the jobs.  In addition, older folks have good work ethics.

[Ksheed]

Notice near 1/2 are over 50.  This is a hard business to get the experience to do the jobs.  In addition, older folks have good work ethics.

That sounds like you are insinuating that people younger than 50 are lazy. That would be stereotypical and discriminatory. Don't judge all because of the actions of a few. 

[Content1]

I am not insinuating what people under 50 may do, I am stating simply older people entered the work force absent a "The world owes me" ethic so common in the younger workers.  Older workers know what to do in life and when the job is beyond their ability, they retire.  I have seen many workers in their 70's pulled back in the workforce because of their reliability.  The poll reflects companies agree or they would take in more of the flood of available younger workers.  My praising of older folks, no matter of their race, age or sex doesn't mean I am saying someone else is lazy, you brought in the name calling, known as a "Straw man" argument and then attacking the straw man's argument's conclusion.  If you had been to college you would know that is one of the fallacies of logic. 

[Imaginos]

Why is eighteen not an option? What's wrong with eighteen? I mean, I admittedly am not eighteen, but I was once, for probably close to a year...You know, The, attention to detail is a cornerstone of our little industry here... 

[Ksheed]

I am not insinuating what people under 50 may do, I am stating simply older people entered the work force absent a "The world owes me" ethic so common in the younger workers.  Older workers know what to do in life and when the job is beyond their ability, they retire.  I have seen many workers in their 70's pulled back in the workforce because of their reliability.  The poll reflects companies agree or they would take in more of the flood of available younger workers.  My praising of older folks, no matter of their race, age or sex doesn't mean I am saying someone else is lazy, you brought in the name calling, known as a "Straw man" argument and then attacking the straw man's argument's conclusion.  If you had been to college you would know that is one of the fallacies of logic. 

The stupid little winking smiley face that I inserted should have told you that I was just joking with you. However, my interpretation of most of your posts is that older people are treated unfairly because of their age, and younger people have a terrible work ethic, i.e. lazy.

I am aware of the Straw man argument and the history behind it. I consider myself fairly well read. I fail to see were a college degree is needed to understand the concept. There is really no need to be derogatory or belittling. 

The bottom line is you shouldn't judge a book by the cover.
Age=Work Ethic
Degree=Intelligence
Work Experience=Knowledge

[surf50]

When you mentioned, "Why is eighteen not an option?", something in my mind's dark recesses twitched.
We hired a guy who was 18, and he had to sit in a office til he was 19, before he was let into the RCA for work.

29 CFR   1910.1096(b)(2)(ii)

   "The dose to the whole body, when added to the accumulated occupational dose to the whole body, shall not exceed 5 (N-18) rems, where "N" equals the individual's age in years at his last birthday; and"...

So, you can be a Nukeworker at 18, you just can't get much exposure..

[desertechn]

Back so many years ago it might not have mattered, i started work 30 days before my 19th birthday, i didnt sit in an office for sure and when i went into the RCA the first time i stepped on a nail in a board in a CA, the RP was more scared than i was, trying to squeeze a drop of blood out to count on some machine that told him i wasnt gonna turn into the hulk or somethin. i only have a little bit more sense nowadays but havent steped on a nail in a CA in goin on 40 yrs

[RDTroja]

When you mentioned, "Why is eighteen not an option?", something in my mind's dark recesses twitched.
We hired a guy who was 18, and he had to sit in a office til he was 19, before he was let into the RCA for work.

29 CFR   1910.1096(b)(2)(ii)

   "The dose to the whole body, when added to the accumulated occupational dose to the whole body, shall not exceed 5 (N-18) rems, where "N" equals the individual's age in years at his last birthday; and"...

So, you can be a Nukeworker at 18, you just can't get much exposure..

Actually, You could get up to 5000 mR at age 18... you just had to not get more than that before 20. So, if you got 500 the first year you could get 4500 the next... and conversely if you got 4500 the first you were limited to 500 until you turned 20. The first year you might have to sit in an office was when you were 19. If you had an employee actually sitting on 0 until he turned 19, someone didn't do the proper research.

[Rennhack]

29 CFR   1910.1096(b)(2)(ii)

   "The dose to the whole body, when added to the accumulated occupational dose to the whole body, shall not exceed 5 (N-18) rems, where "N" equals the individual's age in years at his last birthday; and"...

You do realize that with the 'new' 10CFR20, there is no N-18, right?  That hasn't been law for 20 years.

What you are quoting above is an OSHA standard, referring to an out of date NRC standard. It still refers to 3 rem a quarter...

The proper standard is:

10CFR20.1201 Occupational dose limits for adults.

Now it's just "N" is your lifetime limit.

http://www.nrc.gov/reading-rm/doc-collections/cfr/part020/

[surf50]

Thanks for the correction, guys. I knew with the 'new' 10CFR20 things had changed, and at one time knew all of the changes. I'm afraid I've forgotten bits and pieces that I don't use, and failed to properly Google.

The 18 year old tech that sat in the ALARA office until he was 19 is now 49. And yes, Roger, the HP ops manager at the time was probably just being overly cautious. You knew him as the guy with a temper; R.B.

[uRiaL]

some of you are just hilarious,lol,lol  

[mars88]

Well, actually, the OSHA regulation applies to many jobs.  Just because you guys all work at DOE sites or under NRC licenses doesn't mean that they control everything related to nuclear work or products.

Expand your horizons.

[Rennhack]

Well, actually, the OSHA regulation applies to many jobs.  Just because you guys all work at DOE sites or under NRC licenses doesn't mean that they control everything related to nuclear work or products.

Expand your horizons.

That is untrue.  They DO control everything.

[GLW]

....Expand your horizons.

That is untrue.  They DO control everything.

I sense we are about to stroll,

In the shadowed dark wood,

Of the semantics troll,....

[mars88]

OSHA has jurisdiction over accelerators, x-ray equipment, and radon--just to name a few.

[GLW]

OSHA has jurisdiction over accelerators, x-ray equipment, and radon--just to name a few.

Only under those conditions which do not exceed, or are not codified under, a general license limitation as per the NRC or Agreement State,...

If you cannot work within the strictures of all of the various general license criterion (which are restrictive), you must apply for a license or, for reciprocity under a current license,...

I will concede there are many handlers of materials who are clueless to the condition that they are in violation of those strictures,...

[Marlin]

OSHA has jurisdiction over accelerators, x-ray equipment, and radon--just to name a few.

I am not sure what you are saying, it would be easier to list exemptions:

-Mine and quarry workers (regulated by the Mine Safety and Health Administration)
-Independent contractors and other self-employed individuals
-Public sector employees (covered only in jurisdictions with state plans; the United States Postal Service is covered under the Postal Employees Safety Enhancement Act)
-Domestic workers (workers whose workplace is a household)
-Flight crews (covered by the Federal Aviation Administration)
-Farms employing only family members and farms employing fewer than 10 employees with no migrant labor housing

   OSHA has a Voluntary Protection Program which exempts an entity from programmatic inspections but they are still subject to accident, complaint, or referral inspections. Many DOE sites are in the VPP program.

[Chimera]

OSHA has jurisdiction over accelerators, x-ray equipment, and radon--just to name a few.

Someone should tell that to the DoE guys who used to come into my office when I worked at FermiLab.

[mars88]

I'm clearly talking about radiation exposure received OUTSIDE of the DOE and NRC--not at DOE labs or general safety or being under VPP or anything else.

Examples:   a company (NOT on a DOE site) uses an accelerator for research--those accelerator workers/researchers are under the OSHA radiation standard previously mentioned--not 10cfr20 or 835.  Even the byproduct material produced is under OSHA authority.

               a company needs to do maintenance on an x-ray machine--those workers are under that same standard

               a company discovers it has radon exceding 3pci/l--those employees are under that same standard