Re: Enlisted Bonus Went Up

[Rad Sponge]

how do they pay out the bonus for the nuke program?

By reading about 4 messages back.

Installments.

[thatitalianguy32]

can i get some help?
i need new york proto info? can you give me any?
i relly need to know the BAH up there too.. im finding mixed numbers. as well as a decent place to find an apartment
if you arent in proto, in SC or are else where i apologize and you neednt reply.

[Rad Sponge]

Search the threads. There is a recent one addressing your needs.

[drainbamage]

I signed up february 15th and got a 16,000 bonus.  whats all this about college credits, I have around 60 and no one said a word to me about using them to get my money sooner.

My ship date is Feb 14th and I got the capped 20k. I wonder what qualified me for more.

I'm told that even though I signed papers to get rolled in to leave earlier, I should still recieve whatever my contract guarantees me. I'm hoping this is true and they can't force me to sign a new contract for when I actually leave. Can anyone confirm this?

[get_sum]

I'm the Nuclear Coordinator for NRD Jacksonville, FL.  I cover the southern hlaf of GA and the northern half of FL.  The reason you got $20k is because you are shipping in Feb.  If you "roll-in" and leave any sooner than Feb 1st, you bonus will go down to $18k.

EM1 (SW) Hosman

[drainbamage]

I'm the Nuclear Coordinator for NRD Jacksonville, FL.  I cover the southern hlaf of GA and the northern half of FL.  The reason you got $20k is because you are shipping in Feb.  If you "roll-in" and leave any sooner than Feb 1st, you bonus will go down to $18k.

EM1 (SW) Hosman

I was told that I wouldn't have to sign a new contract if I were to roll-in. Unless this is untrue, there would be no way for them to lower my bonus, no?

[Samabby]

If you are whining about this, it's gonna be a looooong six years. 

[xobxdoc]

When I came in I got $10k for nuke and $6k for 84 hours of college. I got 1/3 of the total bonus paid after a-school graduation, and the final 2/3 after prototype graduation. If you have no college kicker, you got 1/2 after Power School grad and the other 1/2 after prototype grad.

Be advised that if you fail out of prototype (or get denuked for any reason that's considered your fault), you will have to pay back the portion you received after Power School.

They didn't have an enlistment bonus when I went in. There is something else you may want to get confirmation on prior to going in. When you are in boot camp you get tested for cataracts. Most people don't have them. You can't be a navy nuke if you have them. The Navy will not tell you that you have them until you are almost finished nuke school. They want to see if you flunk out first then they can send you to the conventional fleet. This happened to a friend of mine in my class. He was real sharp. About a week before the comp they pulled him out of class and gave him the option of conventional MM or discharge. He got out. This may effect the enlistment bonus that you guys are promised. Good Luck

[drainbamage]

If you are whining about this, it's gonna be a looooong six years. 

I wouldn't call it whining, I want to go in regardless. However the 2k difference in bonus based on the interpretation/practice of the contract seems silly to lose due to lack of knowledge and/or involvement in the process.

[Rad Sponge]

Different ship dates pay different bonuses.

The bigger picture is that the bean counters need to fill quotas, to fill billets, to send ships to sea, and let Sailors take shore billets so they can come shore side and let the newbies fill their spots, get experience, and the circle of life continues....sing it Elton, sing it for Simba.

If they need you bad to ship, you get to profit on that need. If not, you don't.

[drainbamage]

I think I'm missing the answer, so I'll rephrase.

If my contract for Feb pays 'x' amount, and I roll in to ship in November, would they make me sign a new contract and thereby redefine the amount in the bonus from 'x' to 'y'?

[Rad Sponge]

Yes, because the terms of the contract changed.

[drainbamage]

Yes, because the terms of the contract changed.

Roger that

[JustinHEMI05]

I really don't think there are any conspiracies to screw people over. I wouldn't sweat it. If it is documented in his initial physicals, then he should be good to go. Of course, policy could change later. e.g. it was once OK to have zyban to help quit smoking as a submarine nuke on shore duty. Then... they changed their minds and retroactively it disqualified you submarines and possible denuking.

Justin

[LDO4CNO]

Is this true about the Navy putting a sailor with cataracts in nuke school, knowing full well he/she is not qualified? Seems like a bait and switch tactic.   My son, who is in his 7th week of ET Nuke school, has an IOL (intraocular lens implant) in his left eye.  Will this disqualify him for Navy Nuke?    Thanks for any comments on this.  I hate rumors!                                  Kathy, VPMN of Kyle

Kathy,
As Justin says, if it is already documented you should have nothing to worry about.  I am not sure about your son's case but can speak to the cataracts a little.  I have had a cataract in my right eye since a very young age.  The cataract was identified by the navy when I entered the navy on a nuclear contract.  It was determined that it was due to an injury I suffered (A fist fight that didn't work out so well for me) at a young age.  The cataract was not in the line of vision and was not growing.  They kept me in the program.  That was over twenty years, several submarines, one nuclear carrier and several nuclear repair jobs later.  I am still active duty navy, operating and maintaining nuclear plants, and the cataract is a discussion item with the doctors every few years.  I don't think you have anything to worry about.
I certainly would not worry about the Military intentionally deceiving you.  We don't do business that way.
Good Luck
JB

[xobxdoc]

LDO,
Maybe you could explain that guy was pulled out of class a week before his comp. It appeared a little strange because his cataract test was given almost a year before in boot camp. I don't believe the Navy goes out of their way to deceive people but it does happen. I re-enlisted STAR in 1982. Back then a nuke maxed out at 20,000. About a month after the ceremony, I was notified that the Navy mis-calculated my bonus and that I was over paid $4000. I had $20,000 in writing. They starting deducting my pay. My XO sat me down and agreed that I was getting screwed but told me to suck it up. I petitioned the Bureau of Naval Record Correction to get the bonus I was promised. I wanted to stay in. After 2 years of waiting the bureau responded back and said the Navy was correct in screwing me over. Needless to say I was a little disillusioned. I had no choice but to get an attorney and get out. I was proud to serve but I was not going to be treated like that. I know I'm an exception and not the rule.  Bottom line, the Navy does whatever suits them.

[LDO4CNO]

LDO,
Maybe you could explain that guy was pulled out of class a week before his comp. It appeared a little strange because his cataract test was given almost a year before in boot camp. I don't believe the Navy goes out of their way to deceive people but it does happen. I re-enlisted STAR in 1982. Back then a nuke maxed out at 20,000. About a month after the ceremony, I was notified that the Navy mis-calculated my bonus and that I was over paid $4000. I had $20,000 in writing. They starting deducting my pay. My XO sat me down and agreed that I was getting screwed but told me to suck it up. I petitioned the Bureau of Naval Record Correction to get the bonus I was promised. I wanted to stay in. After 2 years of waiting the bureau responded back and said the Navy was correct in screwing me over. Needless to say I was a little disillusioned. I had no choice but to get an attorney and get out. I was proud to serve but I was not going to be treated like that. I know I'm an exception and not the rule.  Bottom line, the Navy does whatever suits them.

Xbox,

It sounds like all of your experiences were not positive.  I regret that you encountered the problems you did.  I recall the $20,000 ceiling.  Wow, I still remember how much money that was.  You could buy a pretty nice car for 20K back then huh.  Now it won't pay tuition for one of my kids.....I digress.

I can't explain why the guy was pulled out of class a week before his comp.  I can say with confidence though that the navy program wants to retain these guys.  It does now, it did then, and quality students were a precious commodity.  I have been an instructor and section advisor on more than one tour and have seen the inner workings of the schools philosophy.  I have heard or program directors speak on this very subject for a lot of years.  We understand quality nucs are our greatest asset.  We want to keep these shipmates.  Perhaps, your friend had an exceptional case.  Perhaps his cataract was worsening, perhaps he didn't share with you all of the details of his case.  In the same era I went through with a well documented cataract.  That is not to say it didn't turn a lot of heads, the medical community constantly flagged it and scared me multiple times by bringing it up.   

It sounds like your pay situation may have been unique.  Without knowing all the details, it is hard to understand.  I can empathize though.  I found myself in a position where my SUBPAY was at risk over interpretation of a technicality years ago.  I fought multiple times over the case, and kept losing.  After numerous attempts and formal appeals I finally gave up.  The SUBPAY manager turned over,  the new guy looked at my file and contacted me about my case.  Shortly after that I received a check for multiple years of SUBPAY.   
Thanks for serving,

JB

[NavyNuke2B]

Sign up for nuke now, and ship off to boot camp between:
June-Oct   $16,000 bonus
Nov-Jan    $18,000
Feb-May   $20,000 


I ship for boot in April of 08 and I'm getting 20k for sign-on bonus. So it's true for April, the Feb-May...i don't know. Ask a recruiter.

[Cycoticpenguin]

can i get some help?
i need new york proto info? can you give me any?
i relly need to know the BAH up there too.. im finding mixed numbers. as well as a decent place to find an apartment
if you arent in proto, in SC or are else where i apologize and you neednt reply.

im in new york right now. Its great in the summer, sucks in the winter. Just hope you dont get stuck at marf like me! BAH for you is about 1200$ a month. BAS is around 280$. There are plenty of places to live.

[andrew.pigg]

I was just sworn in last week--Enlistment bonus=24,000$  Then again I do have 90 something credit hours and scored a 95 on the ASVAB and something like a 266 on the nuke portion. 

[TheObiJuan]

24K combined I presume....
Look at your packet, the Nuke bonus is separate.
I got a 20k bonus and 5k for college. 25k total.

[Cycoticpenguin]

Good luck but you're still a bunch of NUBs.

Mike

haha oh mike...

hey for you guys who got really high scores on your asvab, make sure you get the bonus for having a high asvab score Its there, i promise... I was the ONLY person to get it in my class!

[withroaj]

Yeah and all you dink nuke nubs, get your feeish before you go out and spend your pro pay on your fancy cars and fancy shoes, fast women and fabulous prizes! (OK, fine.  A RM-Div Chief actually said that).

[JustinHEMI05]

Yeah and all you dink nuke nubs, get your feeish before you go out and spend your pro pay on your fancy cars and fancy shoes, fast women and fabulous prizes! (OK, fine.  A RM-Div Chief actually said that).

HAHA I will neve forget the look on this one guys face when I asked him how he was going to pay for his brand new 40000 dollar BMW when he left prototype. He explained that he would have 6 roomates like he does now so that he keeps 90% of his BAH. He didn't know he would be living on the ship/barracks and lose the BAH. His response... "I guess I will have to reenlist."  What is the saying... "youth is wasted on the young."

Justin

[TheObiJuan]

haha oh mike...

hey for you guys who got really high scores on your asvab, make sure you get the bonus for having a high asvab score Its there, i promise... I was the ONLY person to get it in my class!

I got a 93, just hitting the "High ASVAB" but I am in the DEP program less than 6 months--so no bonus.