How would you fix the NNPP

[Sun Dog]

the knowing is innate,...

Just like leadership...

[HydroDave63]

Just like leadership...

I always suspected that Sun Dog was actually BZ with a flea collar 

[retread]

Just like leadership...

You just had to go there didn't you?!

[Cycoticpenguin]

Just like leadership...

I KNEW IT!!!!

[Marlin]

I'm not dead yet.

BTW...when I was a young nub MM3 back in 1990 I occasionally heard the "old timers" complaining about the level of knowledge of the nubs.   I'll bet if you if you went into the way back machine and emerged in the 1970's you probably would have heard some crusty MM1 complaining about the level of knowledge of his nubs.  Same thing over and over. 

Confirmed 

[motorhead584]

I have not been a member of this site for very long and this is my first time posting. First off, this site is great and I have learned a lot. I have also shared some of that info with my coworkers and have directed them to this site. Currently, I am an instructor at prototype in Charleston, SC and wanted to share this article I found online at http://www.navytimes.com/news/2011/01/navy-nuke-recruiting-gets-tougher-013011w/ . I dont know where those people got there information from but wow! I specifically like the part where they are "expected to decrease dropouts by 20 percent". 20% of what is the question to be asking, geez.

[drayer54]

I have not been a member of this site for very long and this is my first time posting. First off, this site is great and I have learned a lot. I have also shared some of that info with my coworkers and have directed them to this site. Currently, I am an instructor at prototype in Charleston, SC and wanted to share this article I found online at http://www.navytimes.com/news/2011/01/navy-nuke-recruiting-gets-tougher-013011w/ .

Minimum of C average?! Maybe they should add a pulse as a prerequisite! Maybe they should drop the NAPT bypass all together. This sounded like an excuse to send more YN's to shore duty to process waivers.

[motorhead584]

My thoughts exactly, I also like the part where the source for the article declined to give the actual dropout numbers. About 2 years ago, when I first started at prototype a friend of mine who had just started at A-school told me a numbers cruncher from Tennessee paid a visit to NNPTC. The guy apparently threw out a figure of attrition in the neighborhood of 15%. That included problems such as medical, mental, legal, hardships, discipline, and last,  academic problems.

[HydroDave63]

Sounds like they need to change the grooming standards to include the "Mullet" hairdo..

[Starkist]

They say Jeffrey Nichols like he's a household name, who in the world is that?

[HydroDave63]

They say Jeffrey Nichols like he's a household name, who in the world is that?

"recruiting command spokesman Jeffrey Nichols wrote in an e-mail."

Reading Comprehension waiver much?

[Starkist]

"recruiting command spokesman Jeffrey Nichols wrote in an e-mail."

Reading Comprehension waiver much?

No idea how I missed that O.o

[MacGyver]

I do (re: know how you missed it).  And so do you ... Errr ... we.  You must be studying too much! 

[Starkist]

I do (re: know how you missed it).  And so do you ... Errr ... we.  You must be studying too much!  

Since Im failing tests constantly, and dont understand my subjects, I really should be studying 24/7 shouldnt I??? :p

Oh wait....


edit: I'll be sure to get a peer check next time I read an article.

[drayer54]

"recruiting command spokesman Jeffrey Nichols wrote in an e-mail."

Reading Comprehension waiver much?

I don't trust anyone or any data from any person with his objectives in mind. I really am interested in getting those sad-preggo-failout stats somewhere.

..... someday

[HydroDave63]

I don't trust anyone or any data from any person with his objectives in mind. I really am interested in getting those sad-preggo-failout stats somewhere.

..... someday

Perhaps, after you are appointed SECNAV (after having been a rising star at Berkshire-Hathaway's Omaha Investor Nebraska Capital division) in 2028, during the first Chelsea Clinton administration, you will get to see those stats. Let's just hope NAVSEA08 doesn't outsource the writing of the next version of the NAPT to the California Teachers Association before then!

[theoot]

So vice asking about post Navy jobs for my first post and getting bashed, I figured I would start here and give some insight.  I am at 18 years and currently an Chief MM.  I would say I was more popular with my guys then I was with my supervisors, because of my unwaivering sense of fairness, meaning I didn't make the hard workers do everything, and the slackers get off free.  That being said, I was the Outhull LPO at NPTU Chas and processed in all the new students each class.  This required me to read all the training records to identify potential problems.  I can't tell you how many time I read "student does not exhibit the aptitude to become a Naval Nuclear Operator" quickly followed by "should do well at prototype".  I had the first 100% graduating powerschool class come through, which got the command down the road a MUC.  When they arrived I had a girl who was 8 months 2 weeks pregnant in it.  It boggles my mind the thought process they exhibited there.  The idea had always been the pipeline was a filter or a pump, depending on who you ask.  The fact of the matter manning has driven this more then anything.  PFA waivers, huge bonuses are all a by product of manning.  And to be perfectly honest those "dumb" kids who showed up despite the glowing recommendation of power school, generally did better in actual operations.  Why?  Because they had put in the hours that Man 40's required.  They knew what effort was necessary to make it it the program, while the smart kids always suffered a culture shock.  I don't think the standards are the issue as much as the sense of entitlement alot of the new personnel have.  When it takes effort to qualify, and you aren't just relying on book knowledge, quite a few stumbled.  Hell my last boat I had a division of these "dumb" guys.  We got hammered on LOK because excluding myself, my most senior guys averaged around 7-8 years.  But when it came to evolutions and drills, we rocked.  An Average on our first inspection out of the yards and Excellent on the next one, showed that with the right motivation even the "dumb" guys can do well.  I guess my point is it's not the standards that lack, but the ability to instill the pride and work ethic that has lapsed.  We no long put emphasis on honor and duty, but on the big paycheck.  Maybe it's time to get back to basics.

[drayer54]

I don't think the standards are the issue as much as the sense of entitlement alot of the new personnel have.

Imagine being told:

I have six college degrees and NOTHING is as hard as Nuc School. I do Hope your husband made it through Nuc School, and to all those in Nuc School, DO IT!  You are the top 10% of the top 10%

I probably heard that we were cream of the crop 3 times per week by two different instructors all the way through the pipeline, NNPTC especially!
Pump a little air in that head...

I am going to track down my old SLPO and find out where those 6 figure "to sweep the floor" jobs are.....
I'm also curious if flail management is a desired skill on the outside.....

"You guys will have people lined up to give you a 6 figure, sweep the floor job when you get out" "My buddies that I served with are out making a ton of cash, but I just love this s--t so much , I said no" "get through this pipeline and you'll be set for life" They just keep pumping that air in and probably because it's the only way they can think to promote the Navy and keep people from running away....

And then you walk onboard that mighty warship XXXXX and expect to grow into an even bigger special snowflake when you hear:

Which means y'all, by default, are a bunch of goofing off non-quals. So....GET BACK IN THAT BILGE AND PAINT !!  

Wait? I'm not special?  

It makes sense to me, because our pipeline is an air pump.

[DDMurray]

One day while walking downtown, a Human Resources woman was hit by a bus and was tragically killed. Her soul arrived up in heaven where she was met at the Pearly Gates St. Peter himself.

"Welcome to Heaven," said St.Peter. "Before you get settled in though, it seems we have a problem. You see, strangely enough, we've never once had an HR manager make it this far and we're not really sure what to with you."

"No problem, just let me in" said the woman.

"Well, I'd like to, but I have higher orders. What we're going to do is let you have a day in Hell and a day in Heaven and then you can choose whichever one you want to spend an eternity in" the Saint replied.

"Actually, I think I've made up my mind.....I prefer to stay in Heaven".

"Sorry, we have rules....." And with that St. Peter put the HR Manager in an elevator and it went down-down-down to Hell. The doors opened and the HR manager found herself stepping out onto the putting green of a beautiful golf course. In the distance was a country club and standing in front of her were all her friends - fellow HR professionals that she had worked with. They were all dressed in evening gowns and cheering for her. They ran up and kissed her on both cheeks and they talked about old times. They played an excellent round of golf and at night went to the country club where she enjoyed an excellent steak and lobster dinner. She met the Devil who was actually a really nice guy (kinda cute), and she had a great time telling jokes and dancing.

The HR manager was having such a good time that before she knew it, it was time to leave. Everybody shook her hand and waved good-bye as she got on the elevator. The elevator went up-up-up and opened back up at the Pearly Gates where St.Peter was waiting for her.

"Now it's time to spend a day in Heaven" he said. So the HR manager spent the next 24 hours lounging around on the clouds and playing the harp and singing. She had a great time and before she knew it, her 24 hours were up and St. Peter came and got her. "So, you've spent a day in Hell and you've spent a day in Heaven. Now you must choose your eternity" he said.

The HR manager paused for a second and then replied, "well, I never thought I'd say this. I mean, Heaven has been really great and all, but I think I had a better time in Hell."

So St. Peter escorted her to the elevator and again the consultant went down-down-down back to Hell. When the doors of the elevator opened she found herself standing in a desolate wasteland covered in garbage and filth. She saw her friends were dressed in rags and were picking up garbage and putting it in sacks for the evening meal. The Devil came up to her and put his arm around her and laughed at her.

"I don't understand," stammered the HR manager. "Yesterday I was here and there was a golf course and a country club and we ate lobster and we danced and had a great time. Now all there is is a wasteland of garbage and all my friends look miserable."

The Devil looked at her and grinned, "that's because yesterday we were recruiting you, but today you're staff."

[War Eagle]

The Devil looked at her and grinned, "that's because yesterday we were recruiting you, but today you're staff."

Man, I love that joke.

[Neutron Whisperer]

Had a visit from an admiral a couple weeks ago to talk about the Design for Undersea Warfare.  He spoke to the wardroom while the Master Chief spoke to the Goat Locker (now that I've made Chief this is what I got to hear).  He said there's a real push to get away from the circle-x mentality for everything and focus on training sailors to actually know what they're doing. A certain percentage of ORSEs a year will be by surprise with ERRs and other obligatory preparatory reviews banned for the non-surprise ones.

I guess this year or last they sent a boat underway with no GPS or electronic navigation, forcing the crew to navigate "the old fashioned way." They did just fine but with some room for improvement. So they want forward-to-aft to be able to operate "like they used."  That is, when something breaks you don't ask NRMD or some IMA to fix your equipment; rather, you do it.  The point being that boats need to be able to operate without assistance from the shore, which would be the case if a serious war broke.

There's also a new requirement for RC Division to have qual cards to be a maintenance person and to be a supervisor of maintenance due to the quantity of mistakes.  I get to go to my first tour on a SSBN as a boot Chief with these shifts in paradigms going on. Oh, after getting 34 months of yard time under my belt (between my first boat and this one) I'll be tacking on another 19 months on my SSBN to complete its refueling. Urgh.

[GLW]

......So they want forward-to-aft to be able to operate "like they used."  That is, when something breaks you don't ask NRMD or some IMA to fix your equipment; rather, you do it.  The point being that boats need to be able to operate without assistance from the shore, which would be the case if a serious war broke......

Time for MM's to get reacquainted with DEVCON Plastic Steel,.....

[Gamecock]

A certain percentage of ORSEs a year will be by surprise

This is not new

ERRs and other obligatory preparatory reviews banned for the non-surprise ones.

The ISIC is responsible to make sure the units under him are ready for inspections.  As such, squadron assists will not be banned.

[HydroDave63]

Can we expect the return of the AS tenders?

[a|F]

There's also a new requirement for RC Division to have qual cards to be a maintenance person and to be a supervisor of maintenance due to the quantity of mistakes.  

-That supervisor you speak of has existed for years on carriers:  RT.  They watched every RC PM.  Unless of course there was a 12-man Halo tournament in the Rim Room.  
-QA and 3M are underutilized in RC fleet wide.
-Qual cards to perform maintenance should have been integrated into the RO/SRO progression years ago.
-Every PM gets done with a nub watching/performing.  By the time they're qualified, they've seen nearly every PM below an annual and have the RT to fall back on.