Dress Code

[cairnit]

Was on the Bartlett web site last night and saw the job site postings info they have online now. It's nice to have this at your finger tips and not have to wonder if your info got lost in the mail. A couple of things occurred to me as I looked at the various sites info.

The first was that by what is posted, you can determine what the site may concider important; some of the sites had a list of the area churches, but next to no campground listed. 

The second thought was that I am glad that they tell the dress requirements at the plant, some of the sites seemed to come across with quite an attitude. Only collared shirts allowed or a NO SCRUBS policy.

In some cases by going to this area of the Bartlett website you might change your mind as to which outages to submit for.

Just a thought.........

[SloGlo]

Only collared shirts allowed or a NO SCRUBS policy.

sounds like a good playce two me.  eye don't like scrubs aught side of wear there needed.  bee itt controlled area or operating room.  enny ware else is sloppy practiss.
imho.

[nuke_girl]

i like to wear scrubs..or at least change to scrubs as soon as i get in the plant...this way when i have a job to go handle..im not holding anyone else up by waiting for me to change out. Also mgt. at several plants ive been to wants you in your scrubs ASAP for the same reasons.

Time efficiency

Now keep in mind this doesnt mean rolling into the plant in scrubs so wrinkled and dirty they could stand up by themselves in a corner lolol ..ive seen this too. 

Kath

[justatech]

sounds like a good playce two me.  eye don't like scrubs aught side of wear there needed.  bee itt controlled area or operating room.  enny ware else is sloppy practiss.
imho.

I agree SloGlo. I have worked many sites that you had to wear a collared shirt through the gate verses scrubs. Although I did like the sites that allowed scrubs in the gate, I found that most (all crafts) wore the nastiest scrubs - or just dirty clothes in general - not to mention the "sleaze" effect of some dress styles which is inappropriate at any place of employment.

Bartlett should implement a dress policy - I'm sure someone will state they have one - then my answer is the site coordinator should enforce it.

While we are on the subject what is it with the earrings hanging off every piece of skin - this applies to men and women.................it's a job - not a rock concert..........I understand stud earrings for the ears - but not up both sides of the ear - in the nose - tongue - eyebrows...........ever hear of FME..........or the 4 inch claws - how can you do your job? One of my pet peeves - long hair..............mostly men........ who don't wash it for 3 or 4 days - not only is it obviously dirty but have you smelled the rank that hair collects after you're in and out of the can for a few days. Take some hints from the ladies..... or cut it off.

Why wear sandals to work ..........most sites have implemented the policy that when you are training in a lab (even at the training building - not in the plant) you must dress as you would in the plant i.e. PPE - all of it - or you're not allowed in the room for sign offs until you are dressed correctly. INPO has suggested this to several sites this past year and they are following through with it.

In my opinion that is where Bartlett fails themselves and the sites - first impressions do make a difference. Granted once you get past this....they might be a good tech........but why build a negative impression prior to getting in the gate?

[Brett LaVigne]

 One of my pet peeves - long hair..............mostly men........ who don't wash it for 3 or 4 days - not only is it obviously dirty but have you smelled the rank that hair collects after you're in and out of the can for a few days. Take some hints from the ladies..... or cut it off.

This makes me laugh a little. I am convinced that the nuclear industry single handedly keeps the mullet alive! All business in the front...and a PARTY in the back! I also get a kick out of the bald on top, pony tail in the back look...I mean, just give up man. It's ok to be balding, it's a man thing, let go of the past.

I agree that we as a "professional" group should look the part. I don't think however, scrubs are unprofessional if they are clean when you show up to work. They are our uniform after all. During training week when first impressions are made, wear decent, normal clothes. Not scrubs, old outage tee-shirts that say "playin' hide and seek for a grand a week" (you older kids remember that one) or other tasteless tee-shirts. When the outage starts, wear decent, clean scrubs or clean normal clothes to work.

I wore a suit and tie to work every day for years. I didn't always need to, but when I did, it put me in a professional light with my clients and me in a professional state of mind. It also said to my clients that I took them and my business seriously.

[biloxoi blues]

You get what your pay for, it works for companies also.

[shovelheadred]

This makes me laugh a little. I am convinced that the nuclear industry single handedly keeps the mullet alive! All business in the front...and a PARTY in the back! I also get a kick out of the bald on top, pony tail in the back look...I mean, just give up man. It's ok to be balding, it's a man thing, let go of the past.

I agree that we as a "professional" group should look the part. I don't think however, scrubs are unprofessional if they are clean when you show up to work. They are our uniform after all. During training week when first impressions are made, wear decent, normal clothes. Not scrubs, old outage tee-shirts that say "playin' hide and seek for a grand a week" (you older kids remember that one) or other tasteless tee-shirts. When the outage starts, wear decent, clean scrubs or clean normal clothes to work.

I wore a suit and tie to work every day for years. I didn't always need to, but when I did, it put me in a professional light with my clients and me in a professional state of mind. It also said to my clients that I took them and my business seriously.

...My hair is still long..no mullett..my beard to my chest...mostly white...two arms full of tattoos, all with a meaning...ride a custom old school, ridgid frame chopper that was built in the house during my down time...I wear H-D tshirts that cost more than your scrubs..not all Nukeworkers work in containment, Bro, ever worked on the turbine deck?...ever heard the term "turbine oil"......

..I have a story about wearing a suit to a Nuke job,,a previous manager with IRM, I won't say his name but he is from Morganton,NC, on his first job at St Lucie wore a suit...as a deconner..working with Rapid Ray and Slo Joe..I will let Rapid tell you what he told him about deconning in a suit....

...Beercourt, thanks for the new job arena you helped me become a part of...sounds like this "new breed of RP's" are to yuppy for an old Biker like me...red

[Old HP]

Okay, if the dress code issue is on the table.
It has been my feeling, that when the utility treats us as professionals and the company we work for treats and pays us as professionals, I will gladly dress as one. However in 30 years that has happened at VERY few sites. As HPs we have become viewed as biological speed bumps, that will be scraped off the roadway and sent down the road as soon as possible.

Anyone else ever have the same feeling?

[Brett LaVigne]

...My hair is still long..no mullett..my beard to my chest...mostly white...two arms full of tattoos, all with a meaning...ride a custom old school, ridgid frame chopper that was built in the house during my down time...I wear H-D tshirts that cost more than your scrubs..not all Nukeworkers work in containment, Bro, ever worked on the turbine deck?...ever heard the term "turbine oil"......

Didn't mean to touch a nerve. I have nothing against tattoos (got a few my self), long hair (if cleaned and groomed like the post said that I was reffering to), or Harley's (don't remember mentioning that, and I happen to be friends with Scott Parker). Be an individual, that's fine. The point I was making is that we are representing our company at each facility we work as contractors. So many complain about being treated as professionals but at many outages when we show up it looks like the circus just hit town.

I have worked the turbin deck a time or two. I was making a general statement about looking presentable when going to work. And mostly making the point about training week attire vs attire after the outage starts. You don't have to agree, but I'm sure you at least see my point.

Oh ya, if I were going to bath in turbin oil, I don't think I would wear those expensive Harley tee-shirts...scrubs are cheaper as you mentioned.

[Camella Black]

Perhaps Bartlett should implement the "Numanco Dress Code of Yesteryear" Anybody out there remember having to pay for those pale blue shirts to wear to work? 

[Chimera]

Okay, if the dress code issue is on the table.
It has been my feeling, that when the utility treats us as professionals and the company we work for treats and pays us as professionals, I will gladly dress as one. However in 30 years that has happened at VERY few sites. As HPs we have become viewed as biological speed bumps, that will be scraped off the roadway and sent down the road as soon as possible.

Anyone else ever have the same feeling?

I have noted over the past 30+ years that you get treated the way you act.  Speaking entirely for myself, I show up to work in clean clothes, reasonably well groomed, and I make sure I have all my necessary PPE with me.  I'm aware that the utility I'm working at isn't going to change one thing just because I walked through the door.  My job is to work to the best of my abilities within the constraints of that plant's procedures and requirements.  I try not to swear, I pick up after myself, and I flush the toilet and wash my hands when I'm done.  If I act professional on the job, I've noted that I get treated that way.  That also pretty much ensures that I will get asked back to plants that I consider desirable.  Anyone can sit around and complain.  That's not what Bartlett or the utility is paying me to do.  If I don't like the payscale, I don't accept the job.  I'll leave the attitudes to the house techs (speaking as an ex-housetech).  I'll take my pay and move on after the job is done and try to leave a good impression of both myself and Bartlett behind.

I remember when Charlie sold Numanco to Westinghouse and they thought they wanted us to wear those lovely shirts.  I held out for the one with Howdy Doody embroidered on the back (laughing).

[justatech]

I have noted over the past 30+ years that you get treated the way you act.  Speaking entirely for myself, I show up to work in clean clothes, reasonably well groomed, and I make sure I have all my necessary PPE with me.  I'm aware that the utility I'm working at isn't going to change one thing just because I walked through the door.  My job is to work to the best of my abilities within the constraints of that plant's procedures and requirements.  I try not to swear, I pick up after myself, and I flush the toilet and wash my hands when I'm done.  If I act professional on the job, I've noted that I get treated that way.  That also pretty much ensures that I will get asked back to plants that I consider desirable.  Anyone can sit around and complain.  That's not what Bartlett or the utility is paying me to do.  If I don't like the payscale, I don't accept the job.  I'll leave the attitudes to the house techs (speaking as an ex-housetech).  I'll take my pay and move on after the job is done and try to leave a good impression of both myself and Bartlett behind.

Karma to you. Pretty much what I thought when I was on the road and I was treated very well by all the utilities - there isn't one that I wouldn't go back to - maybe think twice on one or two  .
It's all in being professional (which does include appearance) having the right attitude and doing a good job.

[SloGlo]

..I have a story about wearing a suit to a Nuke job,,a previous manager with IRM, I won't say his name but he is from Morganton,NC, on his first job at St Lucie wore a suit...as a deconner..working with Rapid Ray and Slo Joe..I will let Rapid tell you what he told him about deconning in a suit....

@ da peech in (eye tink) '79 nick "da narc" showd up inna suit.  he wan't no narc, but da name stuck.

[SloGlo]

Why wear sandals to work ..........

derr wuz dat sr hp watt came inta oconee at won of da otages in '79 waring flip flops, tank top, 'n shorts.  his argewment goan out da dore wit security wuz da iffen he hadda go do a job, he'd hafta ware anti seas enny weigh.  btw, dis wuz bee fore steal tows where manditorry.

[SloGlo]

i like to wear scrubs..or at least change to scrubs as soon as i get in the plant...

inna da plant iz oh kay.  inna hospital iz oh kay.  aye jist don't wanna sea dem ona street.  eye don't care watt job ya due, iffen ya ware scrubs four it, eye yam figgering ya still gots sum on ya whan aye sea ya.
same ting wit lab cotes.
aye'd radder half a guy wit a minors hat on nex too me atta grow sirree store chickout.  leest aye no dat da dirt on it is reel natural dirt dat eye kin c 'n warsh off iffen aye gits sum on me.

[nuke_girl]

inna da plant iz oh kay.  inna hospital iz oh kay.  aye jist don't wanna sea dem ona street.  eye don't care watt job ya due, iffen ya ware scrubs four it, eye yam figgering ya still gots sum on ya whan aye sea ya.

ok ..i will buy that and relate a funny story..once at a plant that shall remain unnamed lolol i wore blue jeans in to work..i was a deconner and the job for the day was to handle the incoming laundry and put at dress out stations etc..well of course i said great !! i can wear my jeans and scrub top ! Well ..the disposable yellow shoe covers...ermm covered me head to toe with yellow dust..after unloading an entire truck load of them..and of courseeeeeeeeee i had rode into work with my trusty fellow friends vikingfan and a few others...i looked like big bird when i hit the parking lot..andddddddd it was stop at the grocery store like that ..or starve..needless to say ..i went in the store and endured all the big bird jokes ..ahhhh ..the good old days ..so i totally understand what you are saying..lesson here is i guess..if your friends love u as big bird they are truly friends

[vikingfan]

..if your friends love u as big bird they are truly friends

you remember well grasshopper ! even though i never said i liked you as big bird !!!

[SloGlo]

ok ..i will buy that and relate a funny story..

once eye wuz inna deli near a university hospital 'n da place got overrun wit lab coats, scrubs, 'n all kinda udder ware.  i wuz muttering about my pet peeve whil standing in line 'n a guy wit lab coat, stethescope, 'n name tag turned around 'n started on my poor self, explayning how assa medical doktor he wuz on a tite schedule, 'n besides alla dis stuff wuz cleen, 'n yadda, yadda, yadda.  sew i axed him iffen he'd mind iffen aye war my professunnal attire in two wear he wuz going to dine.  he wanted two no watt i did four a living, 'n i toll him i wuz h.p. at an atomic cleanup, jist around da corner.  he got wide ayed, turnt around 'n shut up!  maid my day!

[Dave Warren]

...My hair is still long..no mullett..my beard to my chest...mostly white...two arms full of tattoos, all with a meaning...ride a custom old school, ridgid frame chopper that was built in the house during my down time...I wear H-D tshirts that cost more than your scrubs..not all Nukeworkers work in containment, Bro, ever worked on the turbine deck?...ever heard the term "turbine oil"......

..I have a story about wearing a suit to a Nuke job,,a previous manager with IRM, I won't say his name but he is from Morganton,NC, on his first job at St Lucie wore a suit...as a deconner..working with Rapid Ray and Slo Joe..I will let Rapid tell you what he told him about deconning in a suit....

...Beercourt, thanks for the new job arena you helped me become a part of...sounds like this "new breed of RP's" are to yuppy for an old Biker like me...red

Now, Shovel Head and I go back a long way. We can stand next to each other in the mall and you would think he does my landscaping for minimum wage. When we get to the worksite, there isn't a single difference between us. We can both do a job for BeerCourt and both do it well. But notice a few things:

I would never think of having hair over my ears.
A beard is totally out of the question.
I have 1 tattoo, that is covered by a polo shirt and says "U.S.M.C."
Wouldn't ride a Harley or any other motorcycle.
I wear Dockers and silk Calvin Klein shirts.
My hair is frosted.

The bottom line is this:

I haven't seen many Rad Engineers / ALARA types that look like Bud.
I haven't seen too many field oversight types that look like me.
You will eventually get segregated into a certain type of job by the way you look. Perception does the hiring whether people realize it or not.

Clean cut = Office or desk job
Long Hair = Field job

Love ya, Bud. Miss ya Dawg. Stay safe.

[shovelheadred]

...Dave, We go back along way...and you know I take critisism everyday....but yours was done in such a way, that I took it as constructive critisism....thanks....you should see the looks I get when I go to a religious meeting...

I still wear long hair, a beard and tattos(which you know are not offensive) one is a cross made with spikes....because first impressions aren't always correct....I have had many people tell me, from your looks, I would have figured you for a "landscaper"..hahhahaa,,but after talking with you, you do have a clue about many things...and religion is the main topic..

You know my background, my certs, my work ethics...and the "old Bud".....I ain't what I once was...

You still my "DAWG"...barney Dawg...Semper Fi, bro...I know what that U.S.M.C tattoo means, what it took to deserve the right to wear it...there are no ex-Marines..that tattoo is forever....

I may have went off a little on this topic, as it is about "Bartlett",,and I have only worked for Bruce once,,and had a great job....

Red

[Valkrider]

This makes me laugh a little. I am convinced that the nuclear industry single handedly keeps the mullet alive! All business in the front...and a PARTY in the back! I also get a kick out of the bald on top, pony tail in the back look...I mean, just give up man. It's ok to be balding, it's a man thing, let go of the past.

The look you're describing is affectionately referred to as a "skullet".  Seems to fit.

I agree, let it go and go gracefully.....

[Smart People]

I've got the long hair and the goatee. I've had the hair for about twelve years now. I always do a professional job and have a great time wherever i am.

Now I'm in the ALARA Eng. position and the hair is starting to bug me. I may be growing out of my long hair phase.

As scary as it sounds to me, the final donation to "Locks of Love" may be comming soon.

[Smart People]

Besides, people keep confusing me with Captain Nemo, and I know he hates that!

[HAIRDUDE]

Winds of change Smart. I too wore the trusty topknot for many a year as a field tech ... DOE, running around in the woods and sweating like a pig. It's like anything else in our lives ... It changes with time. I don't presume to speak for anyone else of course. Everyone is in a different place in their respective lives at any given time. But for me, I keep my hair business length. I dress in a manner appropriate to the position I hold and the work I am doing that particular day. When I am office bound, I wear something along the lines of a nice pair of Italian dress slacks, a button-down oxford shirt, an Eddie Bauer sleeveless sweater, matching belt and wing-tips. On days when I am going to be briefing craft in a large group for an evolution in the can, I go a bit more casual. If I am going to be running around the aux. building covering a job, I may opt for jeans and a Hawaiian shirt with steel-toed sneakers. In the can, dress is the usual Barney suit.

The key word here is "appropriate". I believe ... and this is just me talkin' ... that if you dress in a fashion appropriate for the position you hold or the evolution you are performing you are more likely to be taken seriously. But bear in mind an old adage I've heard and taken to heart: A man (or woman) should always dress for the job he/she WANTS. So ... depending on what your ambition may be, your appearance can be a big help or a big stumbling block. Also consider this: The people we provide protection for in the field put a lot of stock in the things we say ... the information we provide. Getting that information from someone who looks at least somewhat professional lends confidence to those receiving said information. Whether we like it or not, we are looked to as the resident wisdom mongers when we're walking around in the can or wherever it may be. Looking the part can't be a bad thing.

Just my humble two cents worth.

Floyd Flanigan

[Smart People]

thanks Floyd