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« on: Oct 04, 2008, 10:49 »
Hey all, my first post here on nukeworker, i've been spending the last week going through the archives to answer some of my questions. First a little on my background. I'm a 26yr old 2005 College graduate 3.6 GPA, Computer Science (BS). I'm currently working a civilian computer programmer job, but I've always wanted to join the military a serve my country. Most would call me crazy for wanting leaving to my current job as I have an excellent salary (over 75k) and work environment, but at the end of the day I'm just a desk jockey, not a shred of excitement/adventure in my day other than more and more lines of computer code (but I digress). I like my job, just don't want to grow old and regret never serving.

I looked into the Army and Marines, but I've been looking more into the navy nuclear program cause I believe I have what it takes to make it through the program. I know how to study, I'm mature, a fitness freak, and 12 hour days don't scare me. I was looking into the NUPOC OCS program, but I don't qualify. I have 2 years of calculus but not a single semester of calc based physics. So to even qualify for NUPOC I'd have to go back to school and take those 2 classes which would take at least a full year, and ace the DC interview. So I am now looking at the enlisted program, which would consist of going to a recruiter and scoring high on ASVAB (which I can do in my sleep), and getting an age waiver (which for nukes they give out like candy). I  mean the enlisted route isn't bad, sure life will suck when your unqual'ed, your sometimes surrounded by immature high school kids and you will have to do annoying things like TAD but once you make CPO you can really lead and make a difference. I like Chiefs role, they are experienced, respected, lead by knowledge, and have the ability to mentor younger crew. I don't care what school you went to a JO isn't sh!t without a Chief. Also enlisted crews need smart driven individuals like myself.

So after the intro, I've got a few questions:

1. (Yes I know this has been asked a billion times but need an opinion from priors here) I keep reading around here and other forums that if you have a degree you should go officer cause its undermanned and life is much better (not sure if that's true). Given my situation, should I try for officer? I really don't care about the $$$, either way (officer or enlisted) I'm going to be making far less than what I'm currently making and could potentially make.

2. LDO's (mustangs) can not be in command of a division on subs. Is it true that LDO/CWO's can become in charge of a division on a CVN? If not, where do nuke LDO's/CWO's serve?

3. Can a bull nuke eventually become COB or is bull nuke the highest a nuke can go (which is virtually the same as a COB). The reason why I ask is because COB is chief of the entire ship whereas bull nuke is chief of the reactor.

4. Can someone list all the quals for MM. I know for ET its SEO, SRO, and RO. What are the quals for MM?

5. Is it true that the top graduates of NPTU can get an option of skipping sea duty and go back to NNPS or NPTU as an instructor without underway time?

6. Is nuke A school (EM, MM, ET) run as a self taught course? Basically very few instructor run classes?

thanks
« Last Edit: Oct 04, 2008, 10:56 by m75 »

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« Reply #1 on: Oct 04, 2008, 11:50 »
I have to make some popcorn, then I will get back to ya.

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« Reply #2 on: Oct 05, 2008, 12:12 »
Hey all, my first post here on nukeworker, i've been spending the last week going through the archives to answer some of my questions. First a little on my background. I'm a 26yr old 2005 College graduate 3.6 GPA, Computer Science (BS). I'm currently working a civilian computer programmer job, but I've always wanted to join the military a serve my country. Most would call me crazy for wanting leaving to my current job as I have an excellent salary (over 75k) and work environment, but at the end of the day I'm just a desk jockey, not a shred of excitement/adventure in my day other than more and more lines of computer code (but I digress). I like my job, just don't want to grow old and regret never serving.

I looked into the Army and Marines, but I've been looking more into the navy nuclear program cause I believe I have what it takes to make it through the program. I know how to study, I'm mature, a fitness freak, and 12 hour days don't scare me. I was looking into the NUPOC OCS program, but I don't qualify. I have 2 years of calculus but not a single semester of calc based physics. So to even qualify for NUPOC I'd have to go back to school and take those 2 classes which would take at least a full year, and ace the DC interview. So I am now looking at the enlisted program, which would consist of going to a recruiter and scoring high on ASVAB (which I can do in my sleep), and getting an age waiver (which for nukes they give out like candy). I  mean the enlisted route isn't bad, sure life will suck when your unqual'ed, your sometimes surrounded by immature high school kids and you will have to do annoying things like TAD but once you make CPO you can really lead and make a difference. I like Chiefs role, they are experienced, respected, lead by knowledge, and have the ability to mentor younger crew. I don't care what school you went to a JO isn't sh!t without a Chief. Also enlisted crews need smart driven individuals like myself.

So after the intro, I've got a few questions:

1. (Yes I know this has been asked a billion times but need an opinion from priors here) I keep reading around here and other forums that if you have a degree you should go officer cause its undermanned and life is much better (not sure if that's true). Given my situation, should I try for officer? I really don't care about the $$$, either way (officer or enlisted) I'm going to be making far less than what I'm currently making and could potentially make.

2. LDO's (mustangs) can not be in command of a division on subs. Is it true that LDO/CWO's can become in charge of a division on a CVN? If not, where do nuke LDO's/CWO's serve?

3. Can a bull nuke eventually become COB or is bull nuke the highest a nuke can go (which is virtually the same as a COB). The reason why I ask is because COB is chief of the entire ship whereas bull nuke is chief of the reactor.

4. Can someone list all the quals for MM. I know for ET its SEO, SRO, and RO. What are the quals for MM?

5. Is it true that the top graduates of NPTU can get an option of skipping sea duty and go back to NNPS or NPTU as an instructor without underway time?

6. Is nuke A school (EM, MM, ET) run as a self taught course? Basically very few instructor run classes?

thanks

1. Go officer
2. Only enlisted personnel can become LDO or CWO after many years (at least 8 and only Chiefs can become CWOs) so don't worry about it.
3. A nuke can become a COB or a CMC of a surface vessel but its after said nuke has done his EDMC tour and probably a few other wickets.
4.MM: ERLL, ERUL, ERF, ERML(SSBN), ERS, EWS and possibly TH, RT, EO, SEO and maybe ELT if he has the NEC.
5. No, but they can put it off for a couple of years and stay at Proto after grad, but alas, the sea awaits.
6. No, it is most definitely not self taught.
« Last Edit: Oct 05, 2008, 12:14 by Jason K »

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« Reply #3 on: Oct 05, 2008, 08:31 »
Just to answer one question for you.....

99% of all nuke LDO's do their sea tours on CVN's.
There are exceptions.....If a submarine is going into an extended shipyard availability, they may be billeted an assistant engineer that will be an LDO job.

Junior LDO's don't usually lead a division.  They are usually technical assistants to one of the principal assistants in Reactor Department. 

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« Reply #4 on: Oct 05, 2008, 08:49 »
I like Chiefs role, they are experienced, respected, lead by knowledge, and have the ability to mentor younger crew. I don't care what school you went to a JO isn't sh!t without a Chief.

And you would know any of this how ?!? Watched a movie or two?

Also enlisted crews need smart driven individuals like myself.

Unencumbered by humility, at that

So after the intro, I've got a few questions:

1. Yes I know this has been asked a billion times

exactly

Given my situation, should I try for officer?

If one operates under the raft of preconceptions listed above, won't use already posted information (training info by any other name) and wishes to avoid sea time (Q.#5 ), then it begs the logical question: What makes you think you can lead other sailors ???



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« Reply #5 on: Oct 05, 2008, 02:37 »
WOW we have a "winner" !!

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« Reply #6 on: Oct 05, 2008, 05:59 »
I phrased #5 wrong, I asked because I heard about a female nuke who graduated top of the her class at NPTU and then ended up as an instructor. Wanted to see if that was even possible or a BS story. I want to go to sea (of course some one will post be careful what you wish for etc...), and have no problem going to sea. HydroDave63, I stated that about Chiefs from reading a few books, granted its not the best source of info, but one of the few I can gather. The reason why I ask about officer/enlisted is because with the military once you sign on the dotted line you are locked in for a number of years depending on what you choose. Its not something should choose lightly. I believe I can lead and also follow, and I'm trying to see which role the Navy would want me to be in.

I asked about the LDO/CWO because I ran across this (yes its a bit dated) but it lists billets open for LDOs and I see a number of sub and surface, although I have no clue what they mean
http://www.npc.navy.mil/NR/rdonlyres/9E17DA38-AA50-418E-81B5-916850D84798/0/LATESTLDOManning1APR08.xls

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« Reply #7 on: Oct 05, 2008, 06:13 »
Yes, you have the option to stay on at NPTU as an instructor.  It's a great way to learn more about your job before going to the fleet, but it's also a great way to develop an out-of-control ego before going to the fleet.  If you have a degree but aren't elegible to go nuke, take another officer program.  I'm having a good time as enlisted scum, but I don't have a degree.  You have a degree.  Take the job that requires a degree.  Going enlisted at this point for you would be like getting your degree so you could work as a janitor for a living (though the Navy will also give you some experience as a waiter and dishwasher, as well).  You might not get the Nuke "Prestige," but you'll still have the opportunity to serve in the Navy.

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« Reply #8 on: Oct 05, 2008, 06:39 »
I asked about the LDO/CWO because I ran across this (yes its a bit dated) but it lists billets open for LDOs and I see a number of sub and surface, although I have no clue what they mean
http://www.npc.navy.mil/NR/rdonlyres/9E17DA38-AA50-418E-81B5-916850D84798/0/LATESTLDOManning1APR08.xls

honestly, www.military.com might be a better place for broad-spectrum questions such as those. We here at nukeworker like to focus on the Care and Feeding of nuclear power plants. Since your background is pretty IT-intensive, you may find that Strategic Systems interest you, or maybe the Navy's SPAWAR mission. Both are really cool and important to the nation, but aren't really what we do here. Ditto for Army's Future Combat Systems, or AF's SPACECOM world. All of them are important, but not what we do here.

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« Reply #9 on: Oct 05, 2008, 09:25 »
If you have an excellent, well-paying, low stress job, but are looking for a way to serve, maybe you should consider the Reserves. Just putting all the options on the table...

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« Reply #10 on: Oct 05, 2008, 09:39 »
You have a degree.  Take the job that requires a degree.  Going enlisted at this point for you would be like getting your degree so you could work as a janitor for a living (though the Navy will also give you some experience as a waiter and dishwasher, as well). 

I disagree with you here............
 There are plenty of enlisted folks with college degrees.
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« Reply #11 on: Oct 05, 2008, 09:48 »

 I  mean the enlisted route isn't bad, sure life will suck when your unqual'ed, your sometimes surrounded by immature high school kids and you will have to do annoying things like TAD but once you make CPO you can really lead and make a difference. I like Chiefs role, they are experienced, respected, lead by knowledge, and have the ability to mentor younger crew.

5. Is it true that the top graduates of NPTU can get an option of skipping sea duty and go back to NNPS or NPTU as an instructor without underway time?

thanks

You do know that it might take a few years to make Chief, don't you?   :)  You're not going to enlist as an instructor.  You will be one once you qualify your watchstation, but the Navy fully intends for you to do that out in the middle of the ocean somewhere.  They certainly didn't waste any time sending me out to sea.

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« Reply #12 on: Oct 05, 2008, 09:55 »
If you have an excellent, well-paying, low stress job, but are looking for a way to serve, maybe you should consider the Reserves. Just putting all the options on the table...

No pay, high stress, and rewarding jobs are available through the Red Cross, USO, Volunteer Fire Departments, and many other fine organizations throughout the country.

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« Reply #13 on: Oct 05, 2008, 10:36 »
I disagree with you here............
 There are plenty of enlisted folks with college degrees.

That's true, and many of the enlisted people who had degrees when they joined still find enlisted nuke life challenging and rewarding.  The NNPP is also a great path to a military career or a job in a commercial nuke facility, which should be a growing industry if energy companies can get permission/capital to build new plants.

m75 - If you feel like you're spinning your wheels in the IT field, saddle up pardner.  You might take a pay cut coming in, but you will be able to learn some things you never even knew could be so cool; and you will be able to work on an aircraft carrier or a submarine, both of which are very cool (and if you do decide to join, be sure to remember how cool the stuff is when hard times hit).

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« Reply #14 on: Oct 06, 2008, 07:01 »
As far as CVN watchstations for a MM

MMR watches
Chief Machinery Operator, Engine Room Upper Level, ERLL, Ships Generator Watch, Reboiler Watch, Shaft Alley Patrol, and on some there are Auxillary operator, 4th Deck watch, and sometimes SGW are split into two watches.

Reactor Aux. Room
Chief Reactor Watch, Reactor Aux Watch, Coolant Generator Watch, Charging Station, Feed Pumps(really really hot in the gulf, about 150F or so), Feed Control. THere might be a few others on some ships but not others.  Depends on the RX dept.

Non-Traditional MM watches
Throttleman, Load Dispatcher, Water control Watch, and just about any other watch except RO. I have seen an EM qual all the way through CRW so he could go into EWS quals

Of course after some time on the pond, there is always PPWS and if you are really good PPWO for an enlisted chief is not unheard of.
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Non-Traditional MM watches
Throttleman, Load Dispatcher, Water control Watch, and just about any other watch except RO. I have seen an EM qual all the way through CRW so he could go into EWS quals



Never heard of a MM qualifying Load Dispatcher.  Even though PE is considered SIR for a surface EM, LD is the Holy Grail of watchstations for them.
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« Reply #16 on: Oct 06, 2008, 09:41 »
but once you make CPO you can really lead and make a difference. I like Chiefs role, they are experienced, respected, lead by knowledge, and have the ability to mentor younger crew. I don't care what school you went to a JO isn't sh!t without a Chief

Wrong there Junior--do some time on the pond--All Chiefs are not respected and do not necessarily have leadership ability--just as all managers or supervisors in the civilian world are not necessarily good leaders or respected either--Have you ever heard of being a "yes man" and playing politics well?? Additionally--if you are a fitness buff--you better learn how to improvise when working out in engine room aft btween the r-114's on a 688 class sub when doing angles and dangles--ie rubber pads on the deck and falling on the weights to prevent rolling
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« Reply #17 on: Oct 06, 2008, 11:35 »
Never heard of a MM qualifying Load Dispatcher.  Even though PE is considered SIR for a surface EM, LD is the Holy Grail of watchstations for them.

I dont have first hand knowledge of it, but an old buddy of mine knew an MM that did it.  Take it for what you will, but I took him for his word on it. 

I did qualify THW on a carrier as an M Div Mechanic just for the heck of it.  Made the THW LOK interview with MTT really easy when they kept asking questions about how bearings work and Main Engine construction.
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« Reply #18 on: Oct 06, 2008, 12:15 »
If you want to go the LDO route, you have to be enilsted as stated. However I do know of a few LDO O-4/5's that were in charge of divisions on carriers. PA's really. As far as I knew the RO was a line officer, however I did personally know of one a-hole of an RMA who was a LDO.


No, I am not naming names.
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« Reply #19 on: Oct 06, 2008, 12:23 »
If you want to go the LDO route, you have to be enilsted as stated. However I do know of a few LDO O-4/5's that were in charge of divisions on carriers. PA's really. As far as I knew the RO was a line officer, however I did personally know of one a-hole of an RMA who was a LDO.


RMA is a LCDR LDO billet on all CVNs. 
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« Reply #20 on: Oct 06, 2008, 01:24 »
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If you have an excellent, well-paying, low stress job, but are looking for a way to serve, maybe you should consider the Reserves. Just putting all the options on the table...

Trust me, I thought of that already but lets just say my company is not very military friendly. If you don't have your blackberry attached to your hip you catch hell for it, just one example.

When I first posted I lost sight of the original intent of the post which was to gain info on the nuclear navy program. This is going off on a bit of a tangent let me try to give a little background on wanting to join the nuclear program. I want to serve in the military. Initially, I looked to the reserves but realistically it won't workout as I have plenty of 12 hr days currently and a guardsmen I spoke to a few weeks ago said his job is more than just 1 weekend a month now. So then I looked to the active force. Since I'm in decent shape (I can run 5 miles in about 45 mins etc..), I thought of Army/Marines. But given my technical background I felt I would be wasting my knowledge (which I spent 4yrs getting) had I gone that route. So then I looked at the Navy.

I read OCS was a crap shoot so I eliminated that option (why spend 5-8 months applying, and potenitally not getting the rating you want). The I came across the nuclear program, it has "made for nerds" all over it. Everyone says its hard and difficult academically and thats why I'm interested in it. I heard from an nuke OCS candidate that the nuclear officer is pretty undermanned and they would take anyone who is qualified at the minimum level. But given my circumstance if I were to take the 2 physics classes need now, that would put me at a Fall 09 timeframe when I can apply then tack on a few months for applications  and boards to clear, I realistically wont be getting a slot til 2010. Who knows what the nuclear navy would look like by then.

I don't qualify for any other commisioning programs like NROTC, STA-21 since I already have a degree. Thats why I initially asked about LDO/CWO just incase I enlisted and wanted to go officer at some point.

So enlisting is my only viable nuke navy option. But everywhere I read there was someone similar to my situation (some even posted here), asking the same question whether to enlist or go officer, and everyone (prior servicemen) says if you have a degree go officer, with no explanation. The only difference I know between the two is that officers make the decisions and set out the objectives, its up to the enlisted crew to carry it out. I'm comfortable with either role.


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Wrong there Junior--do some time on the pond--All Chiefs are not respected and do not necessarily have leadership ability--just as all managers or supervisors in the civilian world are not necessarily good leaders or respected either--Have you ever heard of being a "yes man" and playing politics well??
Sure the Navy doesn't have its bright spots but that happens everywhere, including my current job. I know a bunch of "yes men", purely stupid managers who have no business managing, and I have experienced having people steal my ideas for their own personal gain. That happens every day in the civilian world and I'm pretty sure it happens in the Navy. But atleast my civilian years prior to me joining have exposed me to this so in a sense I am a bit more prepared than say your average 18yr old high school recruit who thinks the Navy is exactly what the recruiter told them. I know, rather I have read that life at sea will suck and the Navy is not really "fair", but its not that different to the civilian world.

trust me I have done tons of research in the previous days and I think the nuclear program would be a great place to serve. I don't know everything a potential recruit should know but I think I have a good grasp of it (see below)

Boot camp -> "A" school -> NNPS -> NPTU -> sent to boat, males only /carrier aka target for both  -> NUB until you qualify, life will suck, you will regret joining -> qualify in your watchstations -> qualify on the boat (dolphins) -> work up to deployment -> work 12-16hr days -> sacrafice sleep to keep working 6 months out at sea -> repeat repeat repeat


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Additionally--if you are a fitness buff--you better learn how to improvise when working out in engine room aft btween the r-114's on a 688 class sub when doing angles and dangles--ie rubber pads on the deck and falling on the weights to prevent rolling
true, but all you really need is a spot and you can get a great workout. I don't use weights, just do calisthenics. But this is getting off topic.


hope this explains my inital post a bit more, and clarify things. It seems I posted too many questions that have no association with each other and its giving the wrong impression.

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« Reply #21 on: Oct 06, 2008, 03:09 »
Boot camp -> "A" school -> NNPS -> NPTU -> sent to boat, males only /carrier aka target for both  -> NUB until you qualify, life will suck, you will regret joining -> qualify in your watchstations -> qualify on the boat (dolphins) -> work up to deployment -> work 12-16hr days -> sacrafice sleep to keep working 6 months out at sea -> repeat repeat repeat


I would say that he has DEFINITELY done his research on here.  Although you forgot the portion about selling your soul for the big bonus money and going back to Prototype becuase "at least it is shore duty and it can't be worse than being on the ship".
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« Reply #22 on: Oct 06, 2008, 04:02 »
Trust me, I thought of that already but lets just say my company is not very military friendly. If you don't have your blackberry attached to your hip you catch hell for it, just one example.



Good thing there are laws for that.


Good thing I made popcorn.  ;D

I knew this was going to be a good thread.

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« Reply #23 on: Oct 06, 2008, 04:06 »
"at least it is shore duty and it can't be worse than being on the ship".

I am going to crack open a beer.

Back on topic.

Good luck in whatever decision you come to. You are obviously doing your homework and that will serve you well down the road. Lots of good advice here, along with tough love. I am impressed by your eagerness to serve. Not many would give up what you say you have in order to join the military.

Again though, I must agree with those that you should try the ogang route first. If you are dead set on nuke, then enlisting is the guaranteed route.

Justin

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« Reply #24 on: Oct 06, 2008, 11:18 »
My son is currently a SPU (staff pick up) at Ballston Spa.  He was picked up fresh out of prototype.  So it is surely possible.  Star reenlisting comes with the territory if you get picked up, meaning you have an eight year commitment instead of six.       

This is the only website I frequent where the free advice is actually worth something.  The current and former Navy nukes here are a great asset for seekers like you (and me) who want information.  They will give you the good, the bad, and the ugly. 

The military performs a vital service to the nation.  Not everyone can be a Navy Nuke.  I'm convinced, at some point, the vast majority of Navy nukes take great pride and solace knowing they are doing something very unique and meaningful with their lives. 

I know the motivators are certainly not the pay, the hours, or the working conditions.     

   

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« Reply #25 on: Oct 07, 2008, 08:41 »
Since I'm in decent shape (I can run 5 miles in about 45 mins etc..), I thought of Army/Marines.
What?? This is an AARP shuffle--I can run faster than this off the cuff--Marines/Army run much faster--you best stay Navy/Air Force
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« Reply #26 on: Oct 07, 2008, 10:16 »
Since I'm in decent shape (I can run 5 miles in about 45 mins etc..), I thought of Army/Marines.
What?? This is an AARP shuffle--I can run faster than this off the cuff--Marines/Army run much faster--you best stay Navy/Air Force

at a constant pace? Infantry standard is roughly 5 miles under 45 mins, anyway dont want to turn this into a pissing match we're getting off topic.

Back on topic some questions I thought about:

1. At NNPS, all your work is classified including your textbooks which you cant bring back to the barracks. What about your class notes/notebook. Does that have to get locked up too or you can bring it to the barracks to study?

2. NPTU Charleston consists of MTS-626, and MTS-635. Even though they are subs, do females train on them as well?

3. Once you have completed all your watchstation quals can you qual for another ratings watchstation? So could a fully qualified ET, qualify on an EM station such as Auxiliary Electrician Aft?

4. Whats a Throttleman?

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« Reply #27 on: Oct 07, 2008, 10:45 »
at a constant pace? Infantry standard is roughly 5 miles under 45 mins, anyway dont want to turn this into a pissing match we're getting off topic.

Back on topic some questions I thought about:

1. At NNPS, all your work is classified including your textbooks which you cant bring back to the barracks. What about your class notes/notebook. Does that have to get locked up too or you can bring it to the barracks to study?

2. NPTU Charleston consists of MTS-626, and MTS-635. Even though they are subs, do females train on them as well?

3. Once you have completed all your watchstation quals can you qual for another ratings watchstation? So could a fully qualified ET, qualify on an EM station such as Auxiliary Electrician Aft?

4. Whats a Throttleman?

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1.  Yes all work is classified.  It will have to be locked up anytime that it is not in your direct control.  You have this big hunking MoFo of a lock that you have to turn the dials the opposite way of a normal lock and you have to initial when you open and shut your locker.  At the end of each night you have to have one person check each and every lock.  You also have several people that check bags and other things when you exit the building to ensure that ALL classified material stays in the building.  P.S. if you choose not to engage your lock, there are several instructors that will aide you memory by engaging it backwards, which makes it much more of a pain to unlock later.

2. Yes Women train on these.  In fact, there are also women staff members, some of which are even civilians.  

3.  You can qualify other watch stations, and at some commands it is highly encouraged.  There are two that off limits though, Reactor operator is for ETs only and ELT is for ELTs only.  Just about all others are up for grabs.  Just be wary that once you qualify them you have to maintain proficiency on them or else lose the qual. That can hurt your division's watchbill if you are off trying to stand a bunch of watches for profieciency.  The only other place that you can't cross-qual is as at prototype.  The qual books for those are way to cumbersome to attempt to try to qualify anythign other than your rate.

4.  Thottleman=Throttlejockey=THW  He/She is the person who controls steam flow to the main engines, thus increasing or decreasing the speed of the ship.  The exception being any new mods to ships that do away with the traditional handwheels.
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« Reply #28 on: Oct 07, 2008, 12:13 »
Now THAT's worth karma,....

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« Reply #29 on: Oct 07, 2008, 12:16 »
3.  You can qualify other watch stations, and at some commands it is highly encouraged.  There are two that off limits though, Reactor operator is for ETs only and ELT is for ELTs only.  Just about all others are up for grabs.  Just be wary that once you qualify them you have to maintain proficiency on them or else lose the qual. That can hurt your division's watchbill if you are off trying to stand a bunch of watches for profieciency.  The only other place that you can't cross-qual is as at prototype.  The qual books for those are way to cumbersome to attempt to try to qualify anythign other than your rate.

Yup just to reinforce, your ability to cross rate qual will depend heavily on your command (in particular EDMC on a sub). I had both extremes... an EDMC that insisted you cross rate qualify (IMO, a good thing), and an EDMC that didn't want to deal with all the extra proficiencies and therefore banned cross rate qualifying. If you do cross rate, and then do not maintain proficiency, you will likely be an ORSE comment.

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« Reply #30 on: Oct 07, 2008, 07:00 »
3. Once you have completed all your watchstation quals can you qual for another ratings watchstation? So could a fully qualified ET, qualify on an EM station such as Auxiliary Electrician Aft?

On 688s, AEA is required for Electrical Operator, which is required for Shutdown Rx Operator, which, alongside Reactor Operator, is an ET's senior in-rate watch.  And I recommend qualifying Throttleman on principle, its often the most entertaining watchstation in maneuvering, the casualty actions are really simple in almost every single case, and if you're an ET it gives you the ability to give all the maneuvering area panel watches a head break, saving Electricians time away from their maintenance, since they have much more to do underway than ETs.  For Electricians, getting qualified Reactor Technician is also advantageous, both because, unless the cross rate qual is required by the command, it looks good on an eval and because it allows a watchsection to swap wire rates around for all their proficiencies during their watch, saving the ETs proficiency watches in their offgoing  :'(  (when they should be in the rack).  MMMMM, rack.
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« Reply #31 on: Oct 08, 2008, 10:26 »
Yes--Throttleman is fun until you answer a real emergency back bell and it doesn't prevent this from happening:

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« Reply #32 on: Oct 08, 2008, 11:36 »
thanks all for your responses, I got two more (don't, want to start a new thread)

1. At what point do they offer you STAR? when your enlistment is up or when the Navy sees too many are getting out so they need to fill some slots?

2. SRO, SEO, RO are the important ET quals with RO being the most senior, what are the other ET quals?

3. Can any nuke request to switch to (once qual'ed of course) ELT or is it reserved only for MM either after NPTU or as an MM C school?

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« Reply #33 on: Oct 08, 2008, 12:37 »
thanks all for your responses, I got two more (don't, want to start a new thread)

1. At what point do they offer you STAR? when your enlistment is up or when the Navy sees too many are getting out so they need to fill some slots?

2. SRO, SEO, RO are the important ET quals with RO being the most senior, what are the other ET quals?

3. Can any nuke request to switch to (once qual'ed of course) ELT or is it reserved only for MM either after NPTU or as an MM C school?

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1. Ah so you are in it for the money? Around your 2 year point. Too many people are always getting out, even when offered tons of money. Should make you think.

2. There is reactor technician

3. No. MM only.

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« Reply #34 on: Oct 08, 2008, 01:47 »
1. Ah so you are in it for the money? Around your 2 year point. Too many people are always getting out, even when offered tons of money. Should make you think.

Negative. Again, I stand to lose a sh!t load of $$$ by leaving my current job, and have the potential to earn well over 6 figures. I'm not in it for the money. Then again I have no wife, no kids, no family. Just to match my current salary I would have to be an O-8 with 4 years of service (base pay only). I keep reading about STAR and why you shouldn't do it UNTIL you've had a deployment under your belt. Just want to see at what point people are reenlisting and then wanting to get out afterwards. Why do guys take STAR even though they dont want to make a career out of the Navy.
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« Reply #35 on: Oct 08, 2008, 02:20 »
Negative. Again, I stand to lose a sh!t load of $$$ by leaving my current job, and have the potential to earn well over 6 figures. I'm not in it for the money. Then again I have no wife, no kids, no family. Just to match my current salary I would have to be an O-8 with 4 years of service (base pay only). I keep reading about STAR and why you shouldn't do it UNTIL you've had a deployment under your belt. Just want to see at what point people are reenlisting and then wanting to get out afterwards. Why do guys take STAR even though they dont want to make a career out of the Navy.

When looking at military pay it is important to realise that base pay is often less than half of your total pay take  for example 9 year E6 nuke on shore duty Hawaii
BASE PAY  2840.10
BAS 294.43
BAH 2412.00
SPEC DUTY PAY 300.00
COLA 578.00

total $6424 or 77088 a year

keep in mind that BAS BAH and COLA are tax exempt

These numbers will obviously look different depending on location and time in rate.

All personnel recive their BAS but everyone E6 and below will have it deducted from their check

Nuke pro-pay ranges from 150-475

You will only get BAH if you are and E5 or an E4 over four years service, or married.

COLA or cost of living allowance is only provided in localities that are expensive to live in aka Hawaii, Japan ect.











 

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« Reply #36 on: Oct 08, 2008, 05:32 »
Yes--Throttleman is fun until you answer a real emergency back bell and it doesn't prevent this from happening

Or Throttleman with a real class C fire in Instrument Alley while in the Suez Canal, with a carrier 1000 yards astern ;)

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« Reply #37 on: Oct 08, 2008, 07:12 »
When looking at military pay it is important to realise that base pay is often less than half of your total pay take  for example 9 year E6 nuke on shore duty Hawaii
BASE PAY  2840.10
BAS 294.43
BAH 2412.00
SPEC DUTY PAY 300.00
COLA 578.00

total $6424 or 77088 a year

keep in mind that BAS BAH and COLA are tax exempt

These numbers will obviously look different depending on location and time in rate.

All personnel recive their BAS but everyone E6 and below will have it deducted from their check

Nuke pro-pay ranges from 150-475

You will only get BAH if you are and E5 or an E4 over four years service, or married.

COLA or cost of living allowance is only provided in localities that are expensive to live in aka Hawaii, Japan ect.

When people put up numbers like that it usually means they're strongly considering reenlisting despite their lust for EAOS.   :P
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« Reply #38 on: Oct 08, 2008, 10:07 »
BAH varies with the location. Hawaii always seemed to be highest.
In the Hampton Roads area it drops by $800 or so from HI.
It is higher for E-6 too.
Special duty pay until you are Senior in Rate is lower too.
You can expect to take it in the shorts as far as pay goes especially for the first 2 years.
You can reenlist STAR at your 2 year point last I knew. People Re-up because at the time it seems like easy money. It is especially lucrative in a tax-free (combat?) zone as that means your future installments are not taxed by the feds (state taxes differ).

I would have to agree with those that have said to go officer in another program.
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« Reply #39 on: Oct 09, 2008, 01:57 »
When people put up numbers like that it usually means they're strongly considering reenlisting despite their lust for EAOS.   :P
Ain't nuttin wrong with that!

I had been stronly considering stayin' but the birth of my daughter changed my mind. I don't hate the Navy (anymore) I just wanted new personnel to see that the Navy can pay well, (but not as well as some other options)

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« Reply #40 on: Oct 09, 2008, 05:25 »
Those numbers appear to be skewed in favor of a guy in Hawaii. Take away the Hawaii stuff and what do you get? Lets keep it real here.

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« Reply #41 on: Oct 09, 2008, 06:34 »
Those numbers appear to be skewed in favor of a guy in Hawaii. Take away the Hawaii stuff and what do you get? Lets keep it real here.

Justin

Fine lets use sea command at Norfolk
base 2840
BAH 1475
propay 375
seapay 315
BAS 294
CSPP 100
total 5399 anual 64,700

its less but then again so is the cost of living 900sqft houses don't cost $1/2mil and milk isn't $8 a gallong

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« Reply #42 on: Oct 09, 2008, 10:11 »
Fine lets use sea command at Norfolk
base 2840
BAH 1475
propay 375
seapay 315
BAS 294
CSPP 100
total 5399 anual 64,700

its less but then again so is the cost of living 900sqft houses don't cost $1/2mil and milk isn't $8 a gallong

And you think that is worth it?

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« Reply #43 on: Oct 10, 2008, 08:18 »
Worth it??  Oh heck no!  With the cost of living in this area being as high as it is (which I am appalled at considering the large amount of military, it should be lower), it seems like we make about 40K a year where I'm from.  Now, consider what you really will be making on the outside and your quality of life doubles in some places ;-).

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« Reply #44 on: Oct 10, 2008, 10:55 »
M75,

This just in from our resident nuke officer recruiter....

This from NukeNTO.....
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Regarding your question, it is possible to get the physics waived for someone who has already graduated.  However they normally only approve it if you're only missing one of the two required semesters.  So if you've got a year of calc and only one semester of calc based physics then you're typically o.k. provided you have good overall grades.  Hope that helps.  Again, sorry for the late response.


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« Reply #45 on: Oct 11, 2008, 10:48 »
thanks gamecock for your response. I've been considering the enlisted route more and more these days.  Also got a question about BESS. Since nukes don't go to BESS, do they get trained at some point in the things taught at BESS such as using the SEIE MK-10 escape suit???

again thanks all for your responses!!!

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Also got a question about BESS. Since nukes don't go to BESS, do they get trained at some point in the things taught at BESS such as using the SEIE MK-10 escape suit???


No, not until they get to their boat.
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« Reply #47 on: Oct 11, 2008, 04:08 »
thanks gamecock for your response. I've been considering the enlisted route more and more these days.  Also got a question about BESS. Since nukes don't go to BESS, do they get trained at some point in the things taught at BESS such as using the SEIE MK-10 escape suit???

again thanks all for your responses!!!

If you go to a submarine you'll see what BESS is actually worth.  Nukes are pretty much the only enlisted folk on the boat who actually have some watchstanding experience when they show up.  Our forward bretheren may have trained on some DC gear in BESS, but they pretty much have to learn the whole watchstanding thing (most of your job on a sub) from scratch.  If you go to the Charleston prototypes you will have an opportunity to take part in basic drills (drills are another massive part of your job) revolving around submarine Damage Control (some say DC is the backbone of a good submariner -- very true if the poo hits the fan).

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« Reply #48 on: Oct 11, 2008, 08:51 »
thanks gamecock for your response. I've been considering the enlisted route more and more these days.  Also got a question about BESS. Since nukes don't go to BESS, do they get trained at some point in the things taught at BESS such as using the SEIE MK-10 escape suit???

again thanks all for your responses!!!

I'm guessing that you already have your mind made up to go subs, nine years ago so had I. There are multiple threads about sub vs surface so I won't even approch that issue I would just ask you too keep that decison reserved until prototype when you fill in the data on your "dream sheet" (they still use those, not JASS, don't they?). While you will not realy have any idea what each command is like you will have a better idea once you have spent time with personnel (sea return staff at proto not the  SPUs) form both types of command.

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« Reply #49 on: Oct 12, 2008, 06:05 »
If you consider the damage to the GW recently (the incident that resulted in a whole bunch of discipline for the Command from the CO on down), you will see that Damage Control is just as important on a surface ship.
As nukes, we keep them going through the water on or below surface, but if the ship doesn't have the integrity to stay afloat (or surface when needed), propulsion becomes a moot point. ;)

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« Reply #50 on: Oct 12, 2008, 06:39 »
If you go to a submarine you'll see what BESS is actually worth.  Nukes are pretty much the only enlisted folk on the boat who actually have some watchstanding experience when they show up.  Our forward bretheren may have trained on some DC gear in BESS, but they pretty much have to learn the whole watchstanding thing (most of your job on a sub) from scratch.  If you go to the Charleston prototypes you will have an opportunity to take part in basic drills (drills are another massive part of your job) revolving around submarine Damage Control (some say DC is the backbone of a good submariner -- very true if the poo hits the fan).

You would just have to talk to a member of the USS San Fransisco about Damage control. They are very lucky to still be with us, the reaction to the collision can be credited with saving the majority of the crew.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_San_Francisco_(SSN-711)

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Also got a question about BESS. Since nukes don't go to BESS, do they get trained at some point in the things taught at BESS such as using the SEIE MK-10 escape suit???

Escaping...you should be concentrating on getting propulsion back...escaping is for cones... :D
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Escape???  HAH!
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« Reply #53 on: Oct 28, 2008, 10:20 »
thanks gamecock for your response. I've been considering the enlisted route more and more these days.  Also got a question about BESS. Since nukes don't go to BESS, do they get trained at some point in the things taught at BESS such as using the SEIE MK-10 escape suit???

again thanks all for your responses!!!

and how did that work out for the crew of the Kursk ??

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« Reply #54 on: Oct 29, 2008, 01:44 »
thanks gamecock for your response. I've been considering the enlisted route more and more these days.  Also got a question about BESS. Since nukes don't go to BESS, do they get trained at some point in the things taught at BESS such as using the SEIE MK-10 escape suit???

again thanks all for your responses!!!


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« Reply #55 on: Oct 29, 2008, 04:58 »

3.  You can qualify other watch stations, and at some commands it is highly encouraged.  There are two that off limits though, Reactor operator is for ETs only and ELT is for ELTs only.  Just about all others are up for grabs.  


Just to add another specific: anyone can qualify secondary chemist, with some restrictions.  Can't remember what they were exactly, but something like sampling is okay but not allowed to add chemicals.  And only for boiler water, not condensate.

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« Reply #56 on: Oct 29, 2008, 10:28 »
I watched a bit of "carrier" 6 months taping of life on a aircraft carrier by PBS.  How accurate do you believe they portray life on ship? They also say that you never see the Nukes because they are always in the classified personal only room.  Comments? Thanks.

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« Reply #57 on: Oct 30, 2008, 01:27 »
I watched a bit of "carrier" 6 months taping of life on a aircraft carrier by PBS.  How accurate do you believe they portray life on ship? They also say that you never see the Nukes because they are always in the classified personal only room.  Comments? Thanks.

Can't go to the propulsion spaces due to security.

Probably didn't want camera crews showing the nuke's berthing spaces, in order to avoid scenes of: MMs bending the nubs over a trash can with duct tape, EMs using rebel flags as drapes and sharpening knives , and ETs dabbing on some Estee Lauder while speaking Klingon, playing D&D:Servants of Cthulu module in their underwear while they are dink on quals, or painting their nails emo on camera.

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« Reply #58 on: Oct 30, 2008, 02:34 »
I watched a bit of "carrier" 6 months taping of life on a aircraft carrier by PBS.  How accurate do you believe they portray life on ship? They also say that you never see the Nukes because they are always in the classified personal only room.  Comments? Thanks.

As far as how the airdales and topsiders behave it was pretty accurate. The CMC was very acurate. The only segment they had with a nuke was not accurate at all. I don't know what happened with that guy but he was not a accurate representation of the nuclear community on a CVN.

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« Reply #59 on: Oct 30, 2008, 03:28 »
It goes along with why dignitaries, both foreign and domestic, don't ever really get to talk to nukes.  Imagine if you were some Senator or Prime Minister and here comes Joe the Nuke.  You proceed to ask him how he likes his job and being in the Navy.  What do you think the response is going to be?   Rated G, PG-13, R, or "unfit for human consumption".  Now take that same rant and broadcast it all over the US to whoever watches PBS.  Now as the Navy you can do a few things, either A.) Allow Joe the Nuke to give his honest opinion, allow PBS to air said opinion, and see how your Nuke Community recruiting does.  B.) Allow Joe the Nuke to give his opinion, then refuse to allow PBS to air said opinion, and then have some goverment coverup conspiracy come out that the Navy is suppressing the sharing of honest opinions of its sailors(this is PBS afterall, fairly liberal to start with so I am sure they would LOVE to have something like that).  or C.) Find one nuke, Joe the Diggit, and let him share his rose colored opinion and keep all the disgruntled types below decks in spaces that they won't be bothered by journalists.

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« Reply #60 on: Nov 01, 2008, 09:23 »
Can't go to the propulsion spaces due to security.

Probably didn't want camera crews showing the nuke's berthing spaces, in order to avoid scenes of: MMs bending the nubs over a trash can with duct tape, EMs using rebel flags as drapes and sharpening knives , and ETs dabbing on some Estee Lauder while speaking Klingon, playing D&D:Servants of Cthulu module in their underwear while they are dink on quals, or painting their nails emo on camera.

And your point is????  Dave, don't be a hater. 

You know that our hygiene and grooming is why we were first to go through the crossing the line ceremony.  Our representative specimen, Bucky, was a demure girl-next-door hottie for the Royal Court's Queen, who was chosen over the Princess Diana look-alike tramp from M-div.  Word has it that the Estee Lauder made all the Master Chief's think back to their exploits in the PI. :o
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Re: Noob Nuke Navy questions
« Reply #61 on: Nov 15, 2008, 07:18 »
As far as how the airdales and topsiders behave it was pretty accurate. The CMC was very acurate. The only segment they had with a nuke was not accurate at all. I don't know what happened with that guy but he was not a accurate representation of the nuclear community on a CVN.

They ACTUALLY put a nuke on that show?! I would LOVE To see that! What did he have to say?

EDIT: http://www.pbs.org/weta/carrier/full_episodes.htm

episode 3, "super secrets" lol
« Last Edit: Nov 15, 2008, 07:28 by Nuclear Janitor »

mishin

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Re: Noob Nuke Navy questions
« Reply #62 on: May 21, 2009, 03:49 »
rofl!!! AHHAAHA i've been sold!...if i had read this/checked forum earlier i would've had no worries about life as a nuke..that is soo my style hhaahahha. i do have some lingo to catch though.

 


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