Noob Nuke Navy questions

[DSO]

Since I'm in decent shape (I can run 5 miles in about 45 mins etc..), I thought of Army/Marines.
What?? This is an AARP shuffle--I can run faster than this off the cuff--Marines/Army run much faster--you best stay Navy/Air Force

[m75]

Since I'm in decent shape (I can run 5 miles in about 45 mins etc..), I thought of Army/Marines.
What?? This is an AARP shuffle--I can run faster than this off the cuff--Marines/Army run much faster--you best stay Navy/Air Force

at a constant pace? Infantry standard is roughly 5 miles under 45 mins, anyway dont want to turn this into a pissing match we're getting off topic.

Back on topic some questions I thought about:

1. At NNPS, all your work is classified including your textbooks which you cant bring back to the barracks. What about your class notes/notebook. Does that have to get locked up too or you can bring it to the barracks to study?

2. NPTU Charleston consists of MTS-626, and MTS-635. Even though they are subs, do females train on them as well?

3. Once you have completed all your watchstation quals can you qual for another ratings watchstation? So could a fully qualified ET, qualify on an EM station such as Auxiliary Electrician Aft?

4. Whats a Throttleman?

thanks

[Preciousblue1965]

at a constant pace? Infantry standard is roughly 5 miles under 45 mins, anyway dont want to turn this into a pissing match we're getting off topic.

Back on topic some questions I thought about:

1. At NNPS, all your work is classified including your textbooks which you cant bring back to the barracks. What about your class notes/notebook. Does that have to get locked up too or you can bring it to the barracks to study?

2. NPTU Charleston consists of MTS-626, and MTS-635. Even though they are subs, do females train on them as well?

3. Once you have completed all your watchstation quals can you qual for another ratings watchstation? So could a fully qualified ET, qualify on an EM station such as Auxiliary Electrician Aft?

4. Whats a Throttleman?

thanks

1.  Yes all work is classified.  It will have to be locked up anytime that it is not in your direct control.  You have this big hunking MoFo of a lock that you have to turn the dials the opposite way of a normal lock and you have to initial when you open and shut your locker.  At the end of each night you have to have one person check each and every lock.  You also have several people that check bags and other things when you exit the building to ensure that ALL classified material stays in the building.  P.S. if you choose not to engage your lock, there are several instructors that will aide you memory by engaging it backwards, which makes it much more of a pain to unlock later.

2. Yes Women train on these.  In fact, there are also women staff members, some of which are even civilians.  

3.  You can qualify other watch stations, and at some commands it is highly encouraged.  There are two that off limits though, Reactor operator is for ETs only and ELT is for ELTs only.  Just about all others are up for grabs.  Just be wary that once you qualify them you have to maintain proficiency on them or else lose the qual. That can hurt your division's watchbill if you are off trying to stand a bunch of watches for profieciency.  The only other place that you can't cross-qual is as at prototype.  The qual books for those are way to cumbersome to attempt to try to qualify anythign other than your rate.

4.  Thottleman=Throttlejockey=THW  He/She is the person who controls steam flow to the main engines, thus increasing or decreasing the speed of the ship.  The exception being any new mods to ships that do away with the traditional handwheels.

[JustinHEMI05]

Now THAT's worth karma,....

welcome to nukeworker,...

+1.

Well played.

Justin

[JustinHEMI05]

3.  You can qualify other watch stations, and at some commands it is highly encouraged.  There are two that off limits though, Reactor operator is for ETs only and ELT is for ELTs only.  Just about all others are up for grabs.  Just be wary that once you qualify them you have to maintain proficiency on them or else lose the qual. That can hurt your division's watchbill if you are off trying to stand a bunch of watches for profieciency.  The only other place that you can't cross-qual is as at prototype.  The qual books for those are way to cumbersome to attempt to try to qualify anythign other than your rate.

Yup just to reinforce, your ability to cross rate qual will depend heavily on your command (in particular EDMC on a sub). I had both extremes... an EDMC that insisted you cross rate qualify (IMO, a good thing), and an EDMC that didn't want to deal with all the extra proficiencies and therefore banned cross rate qualifying. If you do cross rate, and then do not maintain proficiency, you will likely be an ORSE comment.

Justin

[arduousartifice]

3. Once you have completed all your watchstation quals can you qual for another ratings watchstation? So could a fully qualified ET, qualify on an EM station such as Auxiliary Electrician Aft?

On 688s, AEA is required for Electrical Operator, which is required for Shutdown Rx Operator, which, alongside Reactor Operator, is an ET's senior in-rate watch.  And I recommend qualifying Throttleman on principle, its often the most entertaining watchstation in maneuvering, the casualty actions are really simple in almost every single case, and if you're an ET it gives you the ability to give all the maneuvering area panel watches a head break, saving Electricians time away from their maintenance, since they have much more to do underway than ETs.  For Electricians, getting qualified Reactor Technician is also advantageous, both because, unless the cross rate qual is required by the command, it looks good on an eval and because it allows a watchsection to swap wire rates around for all their proficiencies during their watch, saving the ETs proficiency watches in their offgoing    (when they should be in the rack).  MMMMM, rack.

[DSO]

Yes--Throttleman is fun until you answer a real emergency back bell and it doesn't prevent this from happening:

On 11 February 1998, about 9 miles out of Chinhae, South Korea, La Jolla accidentally ran into and sank a 27-ton fishing trawler. The five crewmembers of the trawler were rescued by the crew of La Jolla.[1]

[m75]

thanks all for your responses, I got two more (don't, want to start a new thread)

1. At what point do they offer you STAR? when your enlistment is up or when the Navy sees too many are getting out so they need to fill some slots?

2. SRO, SEO, RO are the important ET quals with RO being the most senior, what are the other ET quals?

3. Can any nuke request to switch to (once qual'ed of course) ELT or is it reserved only for MM either after NPTU or as an MM C school?

thanks

[JustinHEMI05]

thanks all for your responses, I got two more (don't, want to start a new thread)

1. At what point do they offer you STAR? when your enlistment is up or when the Navy sees too many are getting out so they need to fill some slots?

2. SRO, SEO, RO are the important ET quals with RO being the most senior, what are the other ET quals?

3. Can any nuke request to switch to (once qual'ed of course) ELT or is it reserved only for MM either after NPTU or as an MM C school?

thanks

1. Ah so you are in it for the money? Around your 2 year point. Too many people are always getting out, even when offered tons of money. Should make you think.

2. There is reactor technician

3. No. MM only.

Justin

[m75]

1. Ah so you are in it for the money? Around your 2 year point. Too many people are always getting out, even when offered tons of money. Should make you think.

Negative. Again, I stand to lose a sh!t load of $$$ by leaving my current job, and have the potential to earn well over 6 figures. I'm not in it for the money. Then again I have no wife, no kids, no family. Just to match my current salary I would have to be an O-8 with 4 years of service (base pay only). I keep reading about STAR and why you shouldn't do it UNTIL you've had a deployment under your belt. Just want to see at what point people are reenlisting and then wanting to get out afterwards. Why do guys take STAR even though they dont want to make a career out of the Navy.

[93-383]

Negative. Again, I stand to lose a sh!t load of $$$ by leaving my current job, and have the potential to earn well over 6 figures. I'm not in it for the money. Then again I have no wife, no kids, no family. Just to match my current salary I would have to be an O-8 with 4 years of service (base pay only). I keep reading about STAR and why you shouldn't do it UNTIL you've had a deployment under your belt. Just want to see at what point people are reenlisting and then wanting to get out afterwards. Why do guys take STAR even though they dont want to make a career out of the Navy.

When looking at military pay it is important to realise that base pay is often less than half of your total pay take  for example 9 year E6 nuke on shore duty Hawaii
BASE PAY  2840.10
BAS 294.43
BAH 2412.00
SPEC DUTY PAY 300.00
COLA 578.00

total $6424 or 77088 a year

keep in mind that BAS BAH and COLA are tax exempt

These numbers will obviously look different depending on location and time in rate.

All personnel recive their BAS but everyone E6 and below will have it deducted from their check

Nuke pro-pay ranges from 150-475

You will only get BAH if you are and E5 or an E4 over four years service, or married.

COLA or cost of living allowance is only provided in localities that are expensive to live in aka Hawaii, Japan ect.











 

[HydroDave63]

Yes--Throttleman is fun until you answer a real emergency back bell and it doesn't prevent this from happening

Or Throttleman with a real class C fire in Instrument Alley while in the Suez Canal, with a carrier 1000 yards astern

[withroaj]

When looking at military pay it is important to realise that base pay is often less than half of your total pay take  for example 9 year E6 nuke on shore duty Hawaii
BASE PAY  2840.10
BAS 294.43
BAH 2412.00
SPEC DUTY PAY 300.00
COLA 578.00

total $6424 or 77088 a year

keep in mind that BAS BAH and COLA are tax exempt

These numbers will obviously look different depending on location and time in rate.

All personnel recive their BAS but everyone E6 and below will have it deducted from their check

Nuke pro-pay ranges from 150-475

You will only get BAH if you are and E5 or an E4 over four years service, or married.

COLA or cost of living allowance is only provided in localities that are expensive to live in aka Hawaii, Japan ect.

When people put up numbers like that it usually means they're strongly considering reenlisting despite their lust for EAOS.  
Ain't nuttin wrong with that!

[gsmagnum]

BAH varies with the location. Hawaii always seemed to be highest.
In the Hampton Roads area it drops by $800 or so from HI.
It is higher for E-6 too.
Special duty pay until you are Senior in Rate is lower too.
You can expect to take it in the shorts as far as pay goes especially for the first 2 years.
You can reenlist STAR at your 2 year point last I knew. People Re-up because at the time it seems like easy money. It is especially lucrative in a tax-free (combat?) zone as that means your future installments are not taxed by the feds (state taxes differ).

I would have to agree with those that have said to go officer in another program.
Many of my classmates that didn't make it through were genuine nerds that had been perfect students their whole time in whatever school or college they had been in prior to the Navy. I was a straight B student and made it. I couldn't tell you the difference between them and myself other than making it through.
Just because you are smart doesn't mean you will succeed as a Navy Nuke.

Yes, I am new here. I was in the Navy as a nuke MM (CVN at that) for 8 years. I currently work for a large utillity. I have been out for 10 years. I hate introductions!

[93-383]

When people put up numbers like that it usually means they're strongly considering reenlisting despite their lust for EAOS.  
Ain't nuttin wrong with that!

I had been stronly considering stayin' but the birth of my daughter changed my mind. I don't hate the Navy (anymore) I just wanted new personnel to see that the Navy can pay well, (but not as well as some other options)

[JustinHEMI05]

Those numbers appear to be skewed in favor of a guy in Hawaii. Take away the Hawaii stuff and what do you get? Lets keep it real here.

Justin

[93-383]

Those numbers appear to be skewed in favor of a guy in Hawaii. Take away the Hawaii stuff and what do you get? Lets keep it real here.

Justin

Fine lets use sea command at Norfolk
base 2840
BAH 1475
propay 375
seapay 315
BAS 294
CSPP 100
total 5399 anual 64,700

its less but then again so is the cost of living 900sqft houses don't cost $1/2mil and milk isn't $8 a gallong

[JustinHEMI05]

Fine lets use sea command at Norfolk
base 2840
BAH 1475
propay 375
seapay 315
BAS 294
CSPP 100
total 5399 anual 64,700

its less but then again so is the cost of living 900sqft houses don't cost $1/2mil and milk isn't $8 a gallong

And you think that is worth it?

Justin

[JsonD13]

Worth it??  Oh heck no!  With the cost of living in this area being as high as it is (which I am appalled at considering the large amount of military, it should be lower), it seems like we make about 40K a year where I'm from.  Now, consider what you really will be making on the outside and your quality of life doubles in some places ;-).

Jason

[Gamecock]

M75,

This just in from our resident nuke officer recruiter....

This from NukeNTO.....

Regarding your question, it is possible to get the physics waived for someone who has already graduated.  However they normally only approve it if you're only missing one of the two required semesters.  So if you've got a year of calc and only one semester of calc based physics then you're typically o.k. provided you have good overall grades.  Hope that helps.  Again, sorry for the late response.

Cheers,
GC

[m75]

thanks gamecock for your response. I've been considering the enlisted route more and more these days.  Also got a question about BESS. Since nukes don't go to BESS, do they get trained at some point in the things taught at BESS such as using the SEIE MK-10 escape suit???

again thanks all for your responses!!!

[Gamecock]

Also got a question about BESS. Since nukes don't go to BESS, do they get trained at some point in the things taught at BESS such as using the SEIE MK-10 escape suit???

No, not until they get to their boat.

[withroaj]

thanks gamecock for your response. I've been considering the enlisted route more and more these days.  Also got a question about BESS. Since nukes don't go to BESS, do they get trained at some point in the things taught at BESS such as using the SEIE MK-10 escape suit???

again thanks all for your responses!!!

If you go to a submarine you'll see what BESS is actually worth.  Nukes are pretty much the only enlisted folk on the boat who actually have some watchstanding experience when they show up.  Our forward bretheren may have trained on some DC gear in BESS, but they pretty much have to learn the whole watchstanding thing (most of your job on a sub) from scratch.  If you go to the Charleston prototypes you will have an opportunity to take part in basic drills (drills are another massive part of your job) revolving around submarine Damage Control (some say DC is the backbone of a good submariner -- very true if the poo hits the fan).

[93-383]

thanks gamecock for your response. I've been considering the enlisted route more and more these days.  Also got a question about BESS. Since nukes don't go to BESS, do they get trained at some point in the things taught at BESS such as using the SEIE MK-10 escape suit???

again thanks all for your responses!!!

I'm guessing that you already have your mind made up to go subs, nine years ago so had I. There are multiple threads about sub vs surface so I won't even approch that issue I would just ask you too keep that decison reserved until prototype when you fill in the data on your "dream sheet" (they still use those, not JASS, don't they?). While you will not realy have any idea what each command is like you will have a better idea once you have spent time with personnel (sea return staff at proto not the  SPUs) form both types of command.

[gsmagnum]

If you consider the damage to the GW recently (the incident that resulted in a whole bunch of discipline for the Command from the CO on down), you will see that Damage Control is just as important on a surface ship.
As nukes, we keep them going through the water on or below surface, but if the ship doesn't have the integrity to stay afloat (or surface when needed), propulsion becomes a moot point.