NY Prototype Staff Pickup Instructor

[TopNuke]

I understand the tour will be for 24 months.  Can the tour be extended past this 24 months at NY NPTU?    Also If I could extend past the 24 months would I have to extend past the 6 years required to get the Staff Pickup Instructor orders.

[HydroDave63]

I understand the tour will be for 18 months.  Can it be extended past this 18 months?  What can I expect once the tour is over when I'm up for orders?

The sweet smell of salty air, and the dulcet sounds of seagulls......

[93-383]

You will get a sea tour. Where and on what are up to you, and the needs of the navy

[pimpizhere18]

The answer to your question is Yes, it can be extended past 24 months. In fact, a large majority of Staff Pick-Ups are being offered the opportunity (if youd like to call it that) to extend at prototype upon agreeing to become a SPU.

I've had more than one SPU come up to me and mention that they are being offered 6-12 month extensions.

[goobs22xx]

I got involuntarily extended for 4 months.

You won't have to extend your seat tour as long as you meet the requirements of the page 13 you signed, saying you would have 36 months of time at a sea going command.

[M1Ark]

I got involuntarily extended for 4 months.

You won't have to extend your seat tour as long as you meet the requirements of the page 13 you signed, saying you would have 36 months of time at a sea going command.

Wow!  I had to sign saying I'd do 24 months on a sea going command.  I would have probably turned down the SPU offer if they required 36 months.

[goobs22xx]

If it wasn't for my wife being able to finish her degree as well as my opportunity to apply directly to the STA-21 Nuke option, I would probably have passed as well.

But yes, it is definitely 36 months now.

[number41]

Yes, they are extending SPU's for more than 24 months because they are having a hard time getting sea returnee's to come work shift work for 40 months.  Not to mention that life in NY sucks right now......................Anyw ay, as long as you REALLY pay attention to what your extension/page 13 says, you'll actually know what you're in for.  I can't count the number of SPU's that worked for me that thought they were going to pull a fast one on the Nav.  Here's a clue: it ain't going to happen.  They WILL get what they want out of you.  On the plus side, though; I can only think of a few SPU's who didn't get decent orders after prototype, and nearly EVERY SPU that I knew made Chief by their 10 year point.  Just my $.02.

[135i]

As already stated you are required to have 36 months of sea time after your SPU tour. Up to one year extensions can be granted by the site. You're not likely to get more than than. Extensions are entirely dependent on manning at the time. For instance, right now at S8G we are undermanned MM's, about right on ET's and overmanned EM's.

[number41]

The other thing to consider is that (in most cases) the NUB is going to get pressured into reenlisting no matter how hard he tries to resist.  And (again, in most cases) the longer you wait past your 2 year point, the more money it will cost you on your final SRB.

[AFT21]

The other thing to consider is that (in most cases) the NUB is going to get pressured into reenlisting no matter how hard he tries to resist.  And (again, in most cases) the longer you wait past your 2 year point, the more money it will cost you on your final SRB.

I would disagree about NUB's being pressured to reenlist.  We generally pressured them to wait.  Especially those that just wanted to buy something.  You won't lose any SRB money by waiting, unless you wait until after your extension kicks in (4yr point).  After that, they won't let you count the extension years in your SRB calculation.

MM1/SS

[number41]

I guess your experience at NNPTU was different than mine, then.  I just left MARF last March, and I can remember sitting in the PMC's office with more than one SPU who thought they were not going to reenlist after they had signed a pg 13 saying they would.  I'm pretty sure what I saw was the definitioin of "pressure to reenlist." 

[JustinHEMI05]

I think yinz are talking about two different things.

Justin

[number41]

Yeah Justin, maybe so.  Re-reading it now, I'm assuming that he's talking about boat NUB's being persuaded to wait until their 4 year point to make a decision.  I'd agree with that totally, but you and I both know that NNPTU Ny lays the pressure on when they get a smart-ass SPU trying to play the system.

[jim2752]

Not to mention that life in NY sucks right now......................




What is wrong with the NY prototype right now?  Are they broken?

[TJ Nuke]

Busted might be a better word for what happened to some.

In the process of being repaired.  It appears they now have a date when they expect  to graduate sailors from prototype.  Those who only had about 2 weeks to finish when the system went down.

[Smooth Operator]

One of the new SRO candidates just came from 8G and gave me the scoop. I think I uttered "No F-in Way" about a dozen times throughout his debrief.

Let's see: KAPL + Ike (i think) + Hartford = something systemic.

[War Eagle]

KAPL isn't as broke as people like to think. Someone is just looking for scapegoats.  Its a self-fulfilling prophecy after a while; if you're told you suck enough times, you will suck.

[Smooth Operator]

I am sure, most of my reactions were to what the staff guys have to deal with now.

[number41]

War Eagle, I just came from there, and I don't want to upset you, but you are dead wrong.  There are some REALLY good people at NNPTU NY, but they do not define KAPL and that place is broken; just ask any number of people on this forum that have been stationed there.  Some of it has to do with being beaten down, but alot of it has to do with how $hitty 90% of the civilians are and how hamstrung the Navy is with regards to running that site and maintaining standards.  You want proof, Charleston doesn't have nearly the same problems NY has and it's all because they run those Prototypes as BOATS, not SHIPYARDS.......Anyway, I digress.  NY is still a great place in my opinion, but it could be much better if they got rid of the Unions and the majority of the civilians and let the Navy run it properly.



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[Gamecock]

War Eagle, I just came from there, and I don't want to upset you, but you are dead wrong.  There are some REALLY good people at NNPTU NY, but they do not define KAPL and that place is broken; just ask any number of people on this forum that have been stationed there.  Some of it has to do with being beaten down, but alot of it has to do with how $hitty 90% of the civilians are and how hamstrung the Navy is with regards to running that site and maintaining standards.  You want proof, Charleston doesn't have nearly the same problems NY has and it's all because they run those Prototypes as BOATS, not SHIPYARDS.......Anyway, I digress.  NY is still a great place in my opinion, but it could be much better if they got rid of the Unions and the majority of the civilians and let the Navy run it properly.



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I know when I taught at NNPTC, I always thought the KAPL civilians going through were a cut above their Bettis counterparts. 

[goobs22xx]

I guess your experience at NNPTU was different than mine, then.  I just left MARF last March, and I can remember sitting in the PMC's office with more than one SPU who thought they were not going to reenlist after they had signed a pg 13 saying they would.  I'm pretty sure what I saw was the definitioin of "pressure to reenlist." 

The page 13 doesn't say you will reenlist. It says you have to extend or reenlist to have at least 36 months of sea time. Since I made it through the pipeline with no major holds (ie: T-Track), I could've extended for 2-3 months vice reenlisting and meeting the requirement.

Between the money and the aspirations to qualify EWS on my boat, I reenlisted. Now I'll have right at 5 years on my boat....ick.

[War Eagle]

War Eagle, I just came from there, and I don't want to upset you, but you are dead wrong.  There are some REALLY good people at NNPTU NY, but they do not define KAPL and that place is broken; just ask any number of people on this forum that have been stationed there.  Some of it has to do with being beaten down, but alot of it has to do with how $hitty 90% of the civilians are and how hamstrung the Navy is with regards to running that site and maintaining standards.  You want proof, Charleston doesn't have nearly the same problems NY has and it's all because they run those Prototypes as BOATS, not SHIPYARDS.......Anyway, I digress.  NY is still a great place in my opinion, but it could be much better if they got rid of the Unions and the majority of the civilians and let the Navy run it properly.



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I just left there in October and I worked with all levels of management.  I'm not going to get into specifics, but the problem is a bit more complicated than "90% of the civilians being ****".  The civilian leadership is not allowed to make their own decisions about anything without being second guessed.  Over time, that leads to the negative atmosphere and perceived lack of civilian leadership that the Navy staff sees.  Anyways, I disagree with you that I am dead wrong.  I dealt directly with the management every day; you were in section.

[number41]

I just left there in October and I worked with all levels of management.  I'm not going to get into specifics, but the problem is a bit more complicated than "90% of the civilians being ****".  The civilian leadership is not allowed to make their own decisions about anything without being second guessed.  Over time, that leads to the negative atmosphere and perceived lack of civilian leadership that the Navy staff sees.  Anyways, I disagree with you that I am dead wrong.  I dealt directly with the management every day; you were in section.

You think it's frustrating dealing with that as a civilian?  You should try being a senior Navy Operator in that environment.  Our job was to train students to be ready to go to sea, not how to interpret a PTM in order to fight with plant management about how the students should be trained.  Granted, I know NAVSEA directed ALOT of the actions of the civilians, but most of the senior sea returnees there KNEW how to be successful at operating a boat and KNEW how to get the students to the right place.  But when you have to convince the civilians on the proper way of training people to be sailors, well you get my point.  Anyway, I digress.  The scoop that I've gotten is that they have gone a long way towards getting rid of the people causing the problems, but I bet it takes them a LONG time to get anywhere near where it should be. 

Actually, I just left there last year too, so it's possible that we know each other & alot of the same people.  PM if you want to get specific.

[War Eagle]

You think it's frustrating dealing with that as a civilian?  You should try being a senior Navy Operator in that environment.  Our job was to train students to be ready to go to sea, not how to interpret a PTM in order to fight with plant management about how the students should be trained.  Granted, I know NAVSEA directed ALOT of the actions of the civilians, but most of the senior sea returnees there KNEW how to be successful at operating a boat and KNEW how to get the students to the right place.  But when you have to convince the civilians on the proper way of training people to be sailors, well you get my point.  Anyway, I digress.  The scoop that I've gotten is that they have gone a long way towards getting rid of the people causing the problems, but I bet it takes them a LONG time to get anywhere near where it should be. 

Actually, I just left there last year too, so it's possible that we know each other & alot of the same people.  PM if you want to get specific.

I wasn't a civilian there; I was the Senior Evaluation Officer with the PPEA and a served submarine Engineer.  Believe me, for many of the civilians it wasn't a question of growing a set.  Many, many times they did not have the latitude to make their own decisions or adopt recommendations from the deck plate.  I'm not making excuses, there's a lot more many of them could have done to improve standards and culture. Adopting more Navy practices would have been a great start.