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Career Path => Navy Nuke => Navy:Getting In => Topic started by: fuelrod101 on Mar 13, 2011, 07:02
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Hi everyone. I've been lurking on here for a bit and now have decided to start posting. I have a question about getting into the Navy. I have a BS in physics and am applying for an officer position for a Navy Nuke. Regarding my application. On it there is a part where it asks if you have ever seen a psychologist or psychiatrist. I am unsure what to put here because I have seen both for a brief period of depression I had while in school. I was prescribed an antidepressant and took it for a period of 3 months and then stopped. My question relates on what I should put down on my application because I really want to join but am worried if I disclose that I was treated for anxiety and depression I will be disqualified from joining. Now, I know we are never supposed to lie but I have also heard that a lot of recruiters say to do just that and that the military cannot check your mental health records. So my question is does anyone here have any advice from personal experience or experience from a friend or just any advice on what I should do? Being a nuclear engineer in the navy has been my passion since I was 5 years old and even though I did see a psychiatrist and psychologist (big mistake now I realize), I am not some basket case nor am I depressed.
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Hi everyone. I've been lurking on here for a bit and now have decided to start posting. I have a question about getting into the Navy. I have a BS in physics and am applying for an officer position for a Navy Nuke. Regarding my application. On it there is a part where it asks if you have ever seen a psychologist or psychiatrist. I am unsure what to put here because I have seen both for a brief period of depression I had while in school. I was prescribed an antidepressant and took it for a period of 3 months and then stopped. My question relates on what I should put down on my application because I really want to join but am worried if I disclose that I was treated for anxiety and depression I will be disqualified from joining. Now, I know we are never supposed to lie but I have also heard that a lot of recruiters say to do just that and that the military cannot check your mental health records. So my question is does anyone here have any advice from personal experience or experience from a friend or just any advice on what I should do? Being a nuclear engineer in the navy has been my passion since I was 5 years old and even though I did see a psychiatrist and psychologist (big mistake now I realize), I am not some basket case nor am I depressed.
You want to be an officer but you are asking whether or not you should lie to get there? Not a good sign.
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Hi everyone. I've been lurking on here for a bit and now have decided to start posting. I have a question about getting into the Navy. I have a BS in physics and am applying for an officer position for a Navy Nuke. Regarding my application. On it there is a part where it asks if you have ever seen a psychologist or psychiatrist. I am unsure what to put here because I have seen both for a brief period of depression I had while in school. I was prescribed an antidepressant and took it for a period of 3 months and then stopped. My question relates on what I should put down on my application because I really want to join but am worried if I disclose that I was treated for anxiety and depression I will be disqualified from joining. Now, I know we are never supposed to lie but I have also heard that a lot of recruiters say to do just that and that the military cannot check your mental health records. So my question is does anyone here have any advice from personal experience or experience from a friend or just any advice on what I should do? Being a nuclear engineer in the navy has been my passion since I was 5 years old and even though I did see a psychiatrist and psychologist (big mistake now I realize), I am not some basket case nor am I depressed.
Be honest.... if you don't have the gumption to accept the consequences of your actions, you have no business owning a commission. If you are caught lying...... never trust recruiters. You will have to see a doctor and do some waivers, but it shouldnt be an issue. I had a seizure and was in a coma for a month. I still got in, ableit I was enlisted.
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From an ex recruiter, here is my $.02 . If you tell them why you were seen by the head doctor (nickname, sorry) and tell them that you stopped taking the meds, they are going to ask for the records. you will then have to get them. They will then (several weeks to months later) ask for a note from the doctor stating that you are okay to be off the medications, and that he "released" you form them. If you tell them you just quit taking them because you didn't like them, or how they made you feel, you will not get in. I am probably one of the few people on this site that will tell you this, but that whole integrity thing is kind of a fine line to walk sometimes. I would honestly tell you to do what you feel is right. If you want to get in, no questions ask, say "No, I've never seen a head doc", and don't ever change your story, ever. If you can't in good conscience lie, then tell the truth, but be prepared for them to say we don't want you, because that is most likely what will happen. That is the truth, and by the way, most recruiters will tell you to lie in this case, its just not worth the paper work hassle.
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From an ex recruiter, here is my $.02 . If you tell them why you were seen by the head doctor (nickname, sorry) and tell them that you stopped taking the meds, they are going to ask for the records. you will then have to get them. They will then (several weeks to months later) ask for a note from the doctor stating that you are okay to be off the medications, and that he "released" you form them. If you tell them you just quit taking them because you didn't like them, or how they made you feel, you will not get in. I am probably one of the few people on this site that will tell you this, but that whole integrity thing is kind of a fine line to walk sometimes. I would honestly tell you to do what you feel is right. If you want to get in, no questions ask, say "No, I've never seen a head doc", and don't ever change your story, ever. If you can't in good conscience lie, then tell the truth, but be prepared for them to say we don't want you, because that is most likely what will happen. That is the truth, and by the way, most recruiters will tell you to lie in this case, its just not worth the paper work hassle.
Just how much experience do you have at the DOD researching security clearances again? too bad so sad if the recruiter and him have to do more paperwork. If he gets caught, that's his butt not yours, so easy to say. We appreciate your SME-ness on recruiting, but you know as well as I do, that if he gets caught, thats BAD. Its paperwork dude, not a prison sentence. With his background, he could do something in the civilian sector or continue education if he didnt get in. Heck, he could get in a civilian plant right now. if he commissions and gets caught with a defective commission and gets discharged, just how well do you think that looks on a resume???
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You want to be an officer but you are asking whether or not you should lie to get there? Not a good sign.
Let it be known that on this day, I agree with Marlin. Find another career path my friend because this is clearly not a good fit for you. Not trying to be harsh, but if your background is the way it sounds and the stresses ahead... Plus your initial approach and lying to people in the attempt to get a clearance. Your asking about fibbing to be an ambassador integrity and all that is officerness. Look elsewhere my friend....
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After reading a bit more about waivers I'm not going to lie. Also before you go questioning my integrity you should know that I have no interest in a civilian career. This is what I want to do and I am serious about it. You could say that "well I guess you should have thought about that before you saw a psychologist", but I was dealing with my parents divorce at the time. It was not fun. I'll report back what my recruiter says when I turn in my application.
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After reading a bit more about waivers I'm not going to lie. Also before you go questioning my integrity you should know that I have no interest in a civilian career. This is what I want to do and I am serious about it. You could say that "well I guess you should have thought about that before you saw a psychologist", but I was dealing with my parents divorce at the time. It was not fun. I'll report back what my recruiter says when I turn in my application.
Good luck and keep us posted! :)
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You could say that "well I guess you should have thought about that before you saw a psychologist"
Just going to throw this out there - your physical and mental well being is not worth a military career. I would never tell someone they should have thought about NOT seeing a doctor if they had a medical issue. Get cleared, don't keep cobwebs, enjoy.
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Spoke with the recruiter. He said that for things like divorce, death of a family member that getting a waiver should be no problem. Huge load off my chest. Application in! :)
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Spoke with the recruiter. He said that for things like divorce, death of a family member that getting a waiver should be no problem. Huge load off my chest. Application in! :)
Makes me wonder why he told you to lie in the first place. Good luck, and have fun talking with the admiral...
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Makes me wonder why he told you to lie in the first place.
An unnatural fear of paperwork and not wanting to take the chance of getting the waiver denied and not getting ti sign him up.
I can't tell you how many times I got the speech about putting yes on any of my paperwork. It's a good thing I didn't listen to them and I looked up the stuff online. My recruiter said I wouldn't get in with a history of ADHD, but the doctor at MEPS couldn't have cared less.
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Doctors at MEPS are hit and miss. Some of them want patient records on every illness out there, some of them could care less. That is why recruiters tell you to lie. They want you in, especially if they spend lots of time helping you get in, and then you get denied. I can't tell you how many I lost during my tenure due to surgeries, ADD and ADHD, phsych visit's when they were younger and so on. Then after you lose the person, this is what you hear from you RINC (recruiter in charge) and Zone Supervisor, "Shipmate, what you got for me now? You're sitting on a donut...Make it happen" Next thing you know, you're working 16 to 17 hours a day, making phone calls for probably 6 to 8 of those hours. Nobody wants to go through that month in and month out for 3 years. The job is very hard, and so telling people to say they are in perfect health and always have been is the norm.
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Doctors at MEPS are hit and miss. Some of them want patient records on every illness out there, some of them could care less. That is why recruiters tell you to lie. They want you in, especially if they spend lots of time helping you get in, and then you get denied. I can't tell you how many I lost during my tenure due to surgeries, ADD and ADHD, phsych visit's when they were younger and so on. Then after you lose the person, this is what you hear from you RINC (recruiter in charge) and Zone Supervisor, "Shipmate, what you got for me now? You're sitting on a donut...Make it happen" Next thing you know, you're working 16 to 17 hours a day, making phone calls for probably 6 to 8 of those hours. Nobody wants to go through that month in and month out for 3 years. The job is very hard, and so telling people to say they are in perfect health and always have been is the norm.
Too bad. Theres reasons why they have their stipulations. Its not up to you, or "Joe Recruiter" to pick and choose the standards. If you didnt like the job, you could have put in a billet to go back out to sea. telling people to lie goes against all the training you went through. If you cant meet your quota honestly, then perhaps you shouldnt be a recruiter?
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because of crappy recruiters like yourself, I had to go through hell for my first year on my boat. So Im a bit biased and angry.
http://www.nukeworker.com/forum/index.php/topic,13864.msg76710.html#msg76710
The senior people on here may remember my plight
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Too bad. Theres reasons why they have their stipulations. Its not up to you, or "Joe Recruiter" to pick and choose the standards. If you didnt like the job, you could have put in a billet to go back out to sea. telling people to lie goes against all the training you went through. If you cant meet your quota honestly, then perhaps you shouldnt be a recruiter? edit:
because of crappy recruiters like yourself, I had to go through hell for my first year on my boat. So Im a bit biased and angry.
http://www.nukeworker.com/forum/index.php/topic,13864.msg76710.html#msg76710
The senior people on here may remember my plight
Ole "Charlie" was used and abused as young one on the ship. He couldn't get a TLD during a time that wasn't fun for the ship, anyways the more senior guys did a lot of things to him that were pretty much terrible. I was his first supervisor and I remember having to spend a lot of time on the issue as he was treated unusually bad. He probably had it worse than anyone else I saw in my time there. The errors and issues he had coming in were a real setback for him and I can sign off on the fact that some people had done him wrong in the past.
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Just giving my opinion Mr. Charlie Murphy. I realize your life must have been hard in the Navy, and I'm sorry you had such a bad experience. All I can say is what I know form my experience. Going back to sea as a recruiter was a hit on your record. And getting a billet out of recruiting was almost impossible to do, I promise you. It's okay if you don't like my comments, but I'm just giving my opinion, so if you disagree just say that, nothing more. You have no idea what it was like to be a recruiter, and as such shouldn't give comments like "too bad" or "not up to you", because guess what, it was and still is up to recruiters how things happen. The Navy puts all of the brunt on the recruiters shoulders, and ultimately if something goes awry in the process, the recruiter is the one taking all the blame and responsiblilty. So yes, it is up to "Joe Recruiter" to decide the best course of action. I don't care how many people in the Navy talk to you about integrity and such, anyone who says they have never lied about something in the Navy is lying to your face. That's the person you don't trust. At least most recruiters I knew/know were honest enough to the potential recruits to tell them why they wanted them to lie. You take this guy for example, 6 years ago, he wouldn't have gotten in to the Navy here in Houston. I can't speak for today, because things change and personnel change. All am doing is giving my advice, and as such it probably differs from others.
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Just giving my opinion Mr. Charlie Murphy. I realize your life must have been hard in the Navy, and I'm sorry you had such a bad experience. All I can say is what I know form my experience. Going back to sea as a recruiter was a hit on your record. And getting a billet out of recruiting was almost impossible to do, I promise you. It's okay if you don't like my comments, but I'm just giving my opinion, so if you disagree just say that, nothing more. You have no idea what it was like to be a recruiter, and as such shouldn't give comments like "too bad" or "not up to you", because guess what, it was and still is up to recruiters how things happen. The Navy puts all of the brunt on the recruiters shoulders, and ultimately if something goes awry in the process, the recruiter is the one taking all the blame and responsiblilty. So yes, it is up to "Joe Recruiter" to decide the best course of action. I don't care how many people in the Navy talk to you about integrity and such, anyone who says they have never lied about something in the Navy is lying to your face. That's the person you don't trust. At least most recruiters I knew/know were honest enough to the potential recruits to tell them why they wanted them to lie. You take this guy for example, 6 years ago, he wouldn't have gotten in to the Navy here in Houston. I can't speak for today, because things change and personnel change. All am doing is giving my advice, and as such it probably differs from others.
I appreciate your candidness, which is why Im not "attacking" you. I got a pretty raw deal for the first couple years of my enlistment because some recruiters didnt want to "do the paperwork". Like I said, Im a little biased. I think its more to do with the system then the individual recruiters, but at the same time, you know good and well you shouldnt advocate lying. Its out of sight, out of mind for you once they sign that dotted line and raise their right hand. YOU do not have to deal with the reprecussions of the "what ifs". THATS my point. If he gets in, and it comes up at some point, then what? The odds of them finding it are small, yes. But 1% is still a huge margin in my opinion. It took one doctor to look at my stuff and de rail everything. You say I have no idea what its like to be a recruiter. Thats true, but i do have applicable experience of being screwed over by a recruiter. The worst part? I didnt lie, he just threw out my paper work without telling me.
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Well, I'm sorry to hear that. I will give you a good example of how I trianed the other recruiters in my station. You give the applicant all the options and scenarios, tell them what will happen if we go this route and what will happen if we go that route. You let them choose which path they want to take. Most candidates will take the path of least resistance. Here is the thing a good recruiter will do, if someone has an issue that is ongoing or re-occuring, you do the paperwork..End of story. If I had a kid that took ADHD meds for 2 years then stopped taking them becasue his parents wised up and realized the doctor was taking their money, I tell the kid NEVER EVER mention this to anyone again. If they bring it up in bootcamp, I get a phone call about it, and have to tell my side of the story. It happened to me twice. I told the kid to lie one of the two times, the other time I didn't know anyting about it. The time I told the kid to lie, he hated bootcamp and knew he would, and did, get kicked out and sent home if he told the truth. I got some flak about it, but nothing more since my command knew a little about what was going on, with the kid not really wanting to go in the first place. See something the public doesn't understand about the whole process, is that recruiting is a business. We spend lots and lots of money on getting these kids into the navy. Meps visits, hotels, government vehicles driving them back and forth form home and to the office, so on and so forth. You get my drift. Then a kid decides, I changed my mind, and the government is out a some money, and the recruiter is out some time. As a recruiter, you have to make the best choices possible. If I had a kid that didn't want to go, I cut him out quick. I didn't want to waist my time trying to convince him of something he would regret and hate me for later. I just cut him, and moved on. That is why I was a GOOD recruiter. I knew when to cut my losses and move on. I helped the kids that wanted to be helped. See another thing you don't understand is that the Navy rejects people left and right. I realize you and some others get screwed over by the process, and I was one of those early on in my Navy time, part of the reason I got out. But I got to see the other side of the fence. There are kids out there that desperately need the military. Their lives are in bad shape, for vairous reasons. maybe they have a bad home life, maybe they are hanging around the wrong people and have made some bad choices. So on and so forth. I can tell you, I wish I could have told the kids with records to lie, but that one will always come to light. I can't tell you how many kids I had that had a juvey record, and couldn't get in. I'm not talking about major stuff, I'm talking getting caught smoking weed, or a minor in possesion, or just really small stuff. Not stealing or anything like that. I tried to not pot people into the Navy I wouldn't want to have to work with one day. That is how I justified what I did. It might not be right, but tell that to the guy out on the boat who is working 6 hours on and 6 hours off due to the lack of personnel in his department. He needs recruiters to push people through, and he doesn't give a dang about what it takes. I've been that guy, believe me I hated life. All that said, I just try my best to shed some light on the process and what to expect. I don't regret one bit of my Navy experience. Some great times, some really, really bad times.
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Update* So the recruiter told me today that I might want to consider going back to the doctor so he can formally "take me off my meds" and say that I am no longer "depressed". He also said that it might not matter because it happened 4 years ago and was for a transient issue rather than for something like ADD or formal depression and I could just leave it up to the examiner at MEPS. He said chances are, I should be fine but it is something they could reject me for. I honestly don't really trust head doctors because, if you look at it from their perspective, they are running a business and saying someone isn't depressed anymore is like throwing money out the door to them. I think I am just going to go with it, mention it in my screening and let the chips fall where they may. Optimistic nonetheless.
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Update* So the recruiter told me today that I might want to consider going back to the doctor so he can formally "take me off my meds" and say that I am no longer "depressed". He also said that it might not matter because it happened 4 years ago and was for a transient issue rather than for something like ADD or formal depression and I could just leave it up to the examiner at MEPS. He said chances are, I should be fine but it is something they could reject me for. I honestly don't really trust head doctors because, if you look at it from their perspective, they are running a business and saying someone isn't depressed anymore is like throwing money out the door to them. I think I am just going to go with it, mention it in my screening and let the chips fall where they may. Optimistic nonetheless.
If you go to a doctor with the preface that you need clearance to join the navy, Im willing to bet a good majority of them will be willing to work with you. I actually agree with your recruiters idea for once.
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Now didn't I basically say that above, that he would have to have "formally" released you from you medications? Odds are, that if you don't do this step now, you will have to anyways, as most medical examiners request these records prior to entry.
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I told the kid to lie
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Sure hope you aren't recruitng anymore, and not standing watch in one of my plants ever again.
When guys like you, the first navy person a kid sees, advocates lying, the foundation is laid that lying, when you need to, is A-ok.
And we wonder why we have integrity problems in the fleet. The picture is becoming more clear.
Cheers,
GC
Next thing you know, you're working 16 to 17 hours a day, making phone calls for probably 6 to 8 of those hours. Nobody wants to go through that month in and month out for 3 years.
Suck it up and do the job that you chose to do. [BH] [soap]
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I'm not talking about major stuff, I'm talking getting caught smoking weed, or a minor in possesion, or just really small stuff. Not stealing or anything like that. I tried to not pot people into the Navy I wouldn't want to have to work with one day.
a deeper Freudian slip? ;)
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Everybody at the recruiting station near me advocates lying, including the Chief. But I was lucky that I knew better than to believe them when they told me any history of ADHD and/or asthma symptoms I'd get disqualified immediately, which turned out to be total bull. I learned to do my own research and not rely on what other people tell me, even if they are wearing a uniform. That probably will turn out to be a bad thing when I'm told to do something. :) The problem is that the people who will believe what they are told, won't be the ones to go look on the internet to find the answers to their questions about the Navy.
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Ok, I'm done for now. :)
Oh, and there's nothing you can say or do will justify advocating lying, but I'm sure you've heard that.
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I learned to do my own research and not rely on what other people tell me, even if they are wearing a uniform. That probably will turn out to be a bad thing when I'm told to do something. :)
Here is a recruiter that won't fib to ya and only takes recruits that can pass PRT ;)
Chest i fala !! (http://www.nukeworker.com/forum/index.php/topic,24446.msg124770.html#msg124770)
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Here is a recruiter that won't fib to ya and only takes recruits that can pass PRT ;)
Chest i fala !! (http://www.nukeworker.com/forum/index.php/topic,24446.msg124770.html#msg124770)
im utterly speechless.
where in gods name did you find this haha
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but did you click the link to read the thread behind it? 8)
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but did you click the link to read the thread behind it? 8)
no. The creepy dude singing threw me off. That was enough for me ;)
but since you insist...
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Everybody lies, the only difference is knowing when to lie and when not to. If you say you don't ever lie, you are just lying to yourself.
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Everybody lies, the only difference is knowing when to lie and when not to. If you say you don't ever lie, you are just lying to yourself.
While I do get a kick out of watching you try to justify your behavior, it makes me sad knowing you'll never accomplish this feat.
The difference is I don't encourage you to lie so I don't take the chance of having to sign up someone else and end up wrecking your career in the Navy, eventually. Not to mention, if you withhold something and get in, you could get yourself or someone else killed. But you'd never encourage someone to lie about something that might get them hurt or killed, right? I bet you're a doctor and you know all about what it would take for some past affliction that's no longer in any medical records to come back and bite someone in the butt. Right?
Anyway, I realize the getting killed scenario is extreme, but I think it makes my point and I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility.
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Everybody lies, the only difference is knowing when to lie and when not to. If you say you don't ever lie, you are just lying to yourself.
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Speak for yourself.
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For the almost 3 decades I have "graced" the earth with my presence :->, I have learned that you will get yourself in way more hot water if you always tell the truth. Saying that, I tell the truth unless my wife asks me a fat question or something like that and even then my lying in that case is more of a less blunt truth. It also makes life more interesting when someone asks you a question and they expect you to tell them what they want to hear and then you tell them the truth.
MM1 SUBNUKE
I find it really upsetting that the recruiter advocates lying from the onset of a kid making the decision to want to join the service (my recruiter advocated lying also). News flash, if you cant find people to fill the requirements don't encourage others to lie to make your numbers. If all the recruiters were honest and there were not enough people coming in, then the bigwigs would be forced change the recruiting policies to make the recruiting goal. It turns out that they will have a retention problem if the recruiting is slumping. Lying is a way to make that job easier (which I am sure that job is hard and sucks) but by taking the easy way out you prolong the problem. The navy as we all know is about numbers (metrics), they do not care about anything until the numbers don't add up. It turns out that if you lie and keep making the numbers then they never get the point of what is happening to get those numbers (IE making recruiters go above and beyond what they should have to do). They cant fire everyone if all of you guys were being honest. I will say that your posts do not put your integrity in a very good light.
Note to all: I find it hard to believe that everyone has not lied about something at some point, unless there is some written age of accountability that I missed somewhere.
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I've witnessed a lot of integrity problem type stuff and have a resume of first hand experience on how this can be a game changer. I've witnessed my khaki wearing management/leadership in dress uniform to explain themselves and then a whole signifigant chunk of them not return to work shortly thereafter. I have learned that going with the bad trend, no matter how long it has been in place, can knock your feet right out from under you with a quickness. Whats normal and the status quo may not always be right. Andrews post may be a bit ideal, but it is right. What bothers me is the gross lack of respect for these young candidates that is shown by having them tell fibs to get in. I would have to think working in this enviroment and in this manner for a long perdiod of time would be hard to recover from.... Also, do you really think you are going to sway these people??!!?!?!? [censored]
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I guess it does sound ideal. I was merely saying that if you insist on putting the actual numbers in front of decision makers and everyone is honest, then the decision makers would be forced to confront the issue thattthey already know exists but choose to turn a blind eye to. (pretty sure that was a run-on sentence)
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"Everybody lies" -> House
I am willing to concede everyone will lie at some point. As he stated, if you think you havent lied, you are most likely lying to yourself. However, there's the nature and intent behind the lie....
We have all provided our lip service and stood on our soap boxes, it's time to move on :)
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Andrew -> No one will die if so and so lies on their entrance paper work. The point is, its not up to the recruiters to pick and choose which rules to follow, even if they do, which is erroneous.
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Just thought I'd add my current experience.
I was instructed to lie by my recruiter. *Recruiter* informed me that because I had never been caught using drugs (Marijuana) that I didn't need to admit to having used it while in High-School. I let *recruiter* know that I can't do that, and that if I'm asked I will tell the truth. *Recruiter* said not to worry-nobody will ask besides *recruiter*.
My recruiter made an oops. *Recruiter*'s apparent leadership visited on a day I was at the office. *Recruiter* had tried to get me to come by a day later; and now I know why. *Recruiter*'s leadership is a MM Nuke-and upon meeting me was very excited to talk about several things. The MM-Nuke leadership asked a few direct questions; which I refused to lie as previously instructed by *recruiter*. Needless to say, I could definitely feel some tension in the room-accompanied with what I think was much disappointment. MM Nuke informed me what waivers were needed, and informed me that he had some say-so in getting waivers expedited-and said I had nothing to worry about.
*Recruiter* is being re-stationed to Sparks, NV. and MM Nuke informed me of several resources to accompany any information presented to me from *recruiter* from now-on. I very much appreciated this, but it goes to show that the problem is not intolerable-else moving the recruiter to Sparks, NV. wouldn't be an appropriate course of action (I wouldn't think).
This does however present a lesson to any recruiter who thinks outright lying to your recruits is ok-especially Nuke-Wannabe's.... if we're smart enough to get into the pipeline (hopefully I'm in that category :D ) we just may be smart enough to know soil from sh!t.
...oh yeah...and your boss might not be happy with you! - but the most important lesson of all:
I have high expectations of whats coming, so I must toe a line of high expectations.
...recruiters should uphold this line.
-Glen
Edit:Add: I have used *recruiter* to ensure I don't supply to much information as to the identity of the person in question (small populated area; wouldn't be hard to discover who is in my region for some of you)
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1. Andrew -> No one will die if so and so lies on their entrance paper work.
2. The point is, its not up to the recruiters to pick and choose which rules to follow, even if they do, which is erroneous.
1. Think undisclosed epilepsy during swim test, or undisclosed epi-pen level peanut allergy recruit comes in contact with peanut butter-stained uniform in barracks during laundry sorting. Low odds but still KIA possible. -0.7 -K
2. Truth! +1.0 +K upgrade
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1. Think undisclosed epilepsy during swim test, or undisclosed epi-pen level peanut allergy recruit comes in contact with peanut butter-stained uniform in barracks during laundry sorting. Low odds but still KIA possible. -0.7 -K
2. Truth! +1.0 +K upgrade
touche sir ;)
You know what I meant though! :old:
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CM
I get the point, I was just ruffling feathers.
I had a guy in my boot camp lie about the fact he was terribly allergic to wool. He bypassed the wool blanket issue but he did not know his dress blues were oh about 100% wool. Needless to say he put them on, swole up, passed out, and hit his head during the fall. It was pretty funny but in that case he could have died. He was subsequently discharged.
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"Everybody lies" -> House
I am willing to concede everyone will lie at some point. As he stated, if you think you havent lied, you are most likely lying to yourself. However, there's the nature and intent behind the lie....
We have all provided our lip service and stood on our soap boxes, it's time to move on :)
[DH] <3 [GH] [coffee] [spank] [soap] [dowave]
Andrew -> No one will die if so and so lies on their entrance paper work. The point is, its not up to the recruiters to pick and choose which rules to follow, even if they do, which is erroneous.
In a professional capacity, No they/we don't. So, I do not agree with your or the premise of MM1 subnuke. If you prescribe to that mode of operation please refer to this post ...
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Sure hope you aren't recruitng anymore, and not standing watch in one of my plants ever again.
When guys like you, the first navy person a kid sees, advocates lying, the foundation is laid that lying, when you need to, is A-ok.
And we wonder why we have integrity problems in the fleet. The picture is becoming more clear.
Cheers,
GC
Suck it up and do the job that you chose to do. [BH] [soap]
If you are still operating a nuclear reactor and subscribe to the "everyone lies" premise then please exit stage left.
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In a professional capacity, No they/we don't. So, I do not agree with your or the premise of MM1 subnuke. If you prescribe to that mode of operation please refer to this post ...
If you are still operating a nuclear reactor and subscribe to the "everyone lies" premise then please exit stage left.
I would appreciate it if you would read my posts before making bold assumptions about me.
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Gentlemen,
lets remember that our words here will last - unless we are so profane that they must be swept aside. With this in mind we should be aware that what we say here is not for ourselves alone. Perhaps whats missing is outside perspective, although I think you both can see this yourselves. Its time to concede the accuracy of one another's thoughts.
Charlie Murphy and others have a very good point. Those who are not ready to admit there mistakes, especially past dishonesty-don't belong in any situation where the utmost safety is demanded. As such, not answering to these mistakes is dangerous and unacceptable. We each have our flaws, and thats why growth is so important-we must bear down on these flaws with strength and disallow them from effecting our behavior.
Captain America has a very good point. Those who discount the honesty of others are also dangerous to any operation demanding safety. If you can't, or refuse to trust those working around you, then you weaken the entire group. A chain is made strong because each link trusts the next link, it doesn't believe that the next link might just break under the pressure-that it might not make it-that it might not be valuable. This would be a very weak chain. Dependency on one another is of course absolutely mandatory for success.
Refusing to admit our mistakes-makes us weak.
Refusing to trust one another-makes us weak.
As a group, neither are acceptable.
I believe that each of you fully understand both of these principles. Its time to concede that each of you have a point-battle lines need not be drawn in the hopes of separating an issue which is interdependent. Having the strength to admit your mistakes is almost always met with respect. Some will try to dodge this for the discomfort of it. Having the strength to trust one another builds a team-and is the only way that strong links become an unbreakable chain.
I appreciate both of you outlining these mandatory principles of behavior. :)
Back to the topic at hand:
Today I was asked to write up a hand-written report on my drug use, and my traffic tickets. I haven't begun writing my finished copies, but have started outlining why these things occurred. In these writings I've had to do both of the things mentioned above. I'm doing some research on writing waivers on this site now...
http://www.nukeworker.com/forum/index.php/topic,22421.0.html
http://www.nukeworker.com/forum/index.php/topic,17857.0.html
http://www.nukeworker.com/forum/index.php/topic,14764.0.html
and many more...
What I haven't found is any information regarding the acceptable position in this. Should it be a 10 pager? A thesis?
Or a short "I was bad...I wish I wasn't, but I was...I'm over it-the past was a great learning experience that will never be repeated"
Any response is greatly appreciated in this regard. :)
-Glen
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My nuke waivers were academic, but I did the "Yes, I did something dumb, here's what I learned." thing and they loved it. ;)
Oh, and mine were pretty short. One was even on just one of those pages they give you. I figure they have enough crap to read and if you can tell your story without dragging it out, they'll appreciate it. However, this is all just speculation.
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To the OP, when all is said and done and you get in, congrats. This will be my last post on this topic since every time I try and give my 2 cents it seems to be met with, well, lets call it discouragement by others. I will say this, regardless of what I did or what others do in the tour as a recruiter I will say this for them, without the decision's they make (as a whole) there would not be able bodies to give those out on patrols the much needed breaks in tour. With that said, basing on others logic, if all recruiters went by the recruitman, tours of duty would be longer, more people would be getting out at the end of their first tour, and the requirements (asvab and so forth) would have to be lowered just like in the army for the more abled bodies to get in. Think about that the next time you want to get on your soap box and tell a recruiter (past or present) how to do their jobs the "right" way.
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if all recruiters went by the recruitman, tours of duty would be longer, more people would be getting out at the end of their first tour, and the requirements (asvab and so forth) would have to be lowered just like in the army for the more abled bodies to get in. Think about that the next time you want to get on your soap box and tell a recruiter (past or present) how to do their jobs the "right" way.
Or NAVSEA would only recruit Nukes and SpecOps, and washouts would then go to all the other topsider/coner rating A schools, and the fleet IQ would go up. Or NAVSEA would rethink the staffing vs. Big Navy collateral duties. Or maybe it would be turned into a CWO program like Army helicopters. All you accomplish by recruiting future lying washouts is to suppress recruitment bonuses and increase overall entropy of the pipeline.
Think about that the next time you want to get on your soap box and tell us nuke vets and officers here how to do post the "complacency" way >:(
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MM! SUBNUKE: Read all your posts and see if you agree with what you are saying. You seem to be doing a lot of justifying for your actions for a company that will burn you if you get caught. Why are you risking your reputation for them?
I am pretty sure that I already said what you repeated:
MM1 SUBNUKE[/color]
...News flash, if you cant find people to fill the requirements don't encourage others to lie to make your numbers. If all the recruiters were honest and there were not enough people coming in, then the bigwigs would be forced change the recruiting policies to make the recruiting goal. It turns out that they will have a retention problem if the recruiting is slumping. Lying is a way to make that job easier (which I am sure that job is hard and sucks) but by taking the easy way out you prolong the problem. The navy as we all know is about numbers (metrics), they do not care about anything until the numbers don't add up. It turns out that if you lie and keep making the numbers then they never get the point of what is happening to get those numbers (IE making recruiters go above and beyond what they should have to do). They cant fire everyone if all of you guys were being honest.
I for one would have rather had a longer sea duty with people who I was relatively sure would not kill me while I was sleeping. If you never force the issue that there is a problem, then how will it ever get solved? If higher bonuses wont do it which is proving correct, then what will unless you up the program quality. You do not do that by hiring liars.
Or NAVSEA would only recruit Nukes and SpecOps, and washouts would then go to all the other topsider/coner rating A schools, and the fleet IQ would go up. Or NAVSEA would rethink the staffing vs. Big Navy collateral duties. Or maybe it would be turned into a CWO program like Army helicopters. All you accomplish by recruiting future lying washouts is to suppress recruitment bonuses and increase overall entropy of the pipeline.
Think about that the next time you want to get on your soap box and tell us nuke vets and officers here how to do post the "complacency" way >:(
Great point with the CWO program.
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[OT] [hijack] [jerry] [jerry] [jerry]
I have done quite a few screenings for power school, but never for a comissioning, but let me tell you something from personal experience,
#1 Depression is not a DQ'ing factor for nuke service, HOWEVER, time and condition of your discharge from your mental health provider will dictate this.
#2 Honor, Courage, Commitment - Navy Motto - emphasized in this part is the HONOR
#3 If you comission, and are found out later to have falsified your entrance papers I know some JAG officers who are going to try to put you in Levenworth for a while especially if you have access to confidential items.
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GNowakowski -
Keep them short and sweet. Elegant prose is not needed for a short "This happened in my past. I learned from it, and have not done it since." letter. My waiver was 1 written page long, about 3 paragraphs 3 sentences each.
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#2 Honor, Courage, Commitment - Navy Motto - emphasized in this part is the HONOR[/b
[salute] [salute] [salute] [salute]
Particularly after going back and reading the whole thread again (actually I'd forgotten how this thing got started).
[salute] [salute] [salute] [salute]
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GNowakowski -
Keep them short and sweet. Elegant prose is not needed for a short "This happened in my past. I learned from it, and have not done it since." letter. My waiver was 1 written page long, about 3 paragraphs 3 sentences each.
Good idea, mine was short, sweet, and to the point. I didn't offer any extra information or opinions/apologies/ anything. It was a statement of what happened and what happened after, won't pee a sax again. In and out..... I wouldn't write anything that could lead to more questions or reasons to investigate.
Or NAVSEA would only recruit Nukes and SpecOps, and washouts would then go to all the other topsider/coner rating A schools, and the fleet IQ would go up. Or NAVSEA would rethink the staffing vs. Big Navy collateral duties. Or All you accomplish by recruiting future lying washouts is to suppress recruitment bonuses and increase overall entropy of the pipeline
BRILLIANT!
Excellent application of the word entropy and great point. Have you considered CNO? SECNAV? +K
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Good idea, mine was short, sweet, and to the point. I didn't offer any extra information or opinions/apologies/ anything. It was a statement of what happened and what happened after, won't pee a sax again. In and out..... I wouldn't write anything that could lead to more questions or reasons to investigate.
GNowakowski - Keep them short and sweet. Elegant prose is not needed for a short "This happened in my past. I learned from it, and have not done it since." letter. My waiver was 1 written page long, about 3 paragraphs 3 sentences each.
My nuke waivers were academic, but I did the "Yes, I did something dumb, here's what I learned." thing and they loved it. ;)
Oh, and mine were pretty short. One was even on just one of those pages they give you. I figure they have enough crap to read and if you can tell your story without dragging it out, they'll appreciate it. However, this is all just speculation.
Thank you all for your responses - you each give great advice. It's also very easy to follow with all of you in agreement. ;D
I'll make sure to keep mine short and sweet. I did not receive a paper to write mine on; I'm assuming this is not a big deal. I'll just write my finished draft on regular paper. If they need it moved to there sheet, it will already be prepared.
Once again, thanks for all of the information. I'm on it!
-Glen
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BRILLIANT!
Excellent application of the word entropy and great point. Have you considered CNO? SECNAV? +K
Possibly in a President Ron Paul administration, sure! ;)
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Does BMI apply to the CNO or SECNAV?!?!?!?
I'm just asking,.... :P ;) :) 8)
CNO - of course! SECNAV - Do you even need a highschool diploma to hold that office?? ROFL
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guys, enough.
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I would appreciate it if you would read my posts before making bold assumptions about me.
I hate to do this. I did this to Co60 as well when I spotted inconsistence's. But, if you will please tell me how you can say this above and have said this below.
http://www.nukeworker.com/forum/index.php/topic,10003.msg54170.html#msg54170
My father is a Colonel. Im well aware of what is required, and I can tell what the officers around here are doing. It doesnt take an admiral to figure out when an officer needs a haircut.
I was not intending to make anything of this. Im attributing the "lack of support" to the recent holiday season. My father was an e9 in the air force so he knows what he's speaking of... for the air force. He wasnt stuck on a ship with 6000 people for 6 months at a time. :) Im not trying to get a bad rep before I even step foot on the ship.
I will call the quarter deck as gamecock mentioned. thanks for the help :D
He was an E-9 or a Colonel depending on these two posts. Which is it?
Just asking, so please set me straight. I would appreciate it.
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Well, I'm sorry to hear that. I will give you a good example of how I trianed the other recruiters in my station. You give the applicant all the options and scenarios, tell them what will happen if we go this route and what will happen if we go that route. You let them choose which path they want to take. Most candidates will take the path of least resistance. Here is the thing a good recruiter will do, if someone has an issue that is ongoing or re-occuring, you do the paperwork..End of story. If I had a kid that took ADHD meds for 2 years then stopped taking them becasue his parents wised up and realized the doctor was taking their money, I tell the kid NEVER EVER mention this to anyone again. If they bring it up in bootcamp, I get a phone call about it, and have to tell my side of the story. It happened to me twice. I told the kid to lie one of the two times, the other time I didn't know anyting about it. The time I told the kid to lie, he hated bootcamp and knew he would, and did, get kicked out and sent home if he told the truth. I got some flak about it, but nothing more since my command knew a little about what was going on, with the kid not really wanting to go in the first place. See something the public doesn't understand about the whole process, is that recruiting is a business. We spend lots and lots of money on getting these kids into the navy. Meps visits, hotels, government vehicles driving them back and forth form home and to the office, so on and so forth. You get my drift. Then a kid decides, I changed my mind, and the government is out a some money, and the recruiter is out some time. As a recruiter, you have to make the best choices possible. If I had a kid that didn't want to go, I cut him out quick. I didn't want to waist my time trying to convince him of something he would regret and hate me for later. I just cut him, and moved on. That is why I was a GOOD recruiter. I knew when to cut my losses and move on. I helped the kids that wanted to be helped. See another thing you don't understand is that the Navy rejects people left and right. I realize you and some others get screwed over by the process, and I was one of those early on in my Navy time, part of the reason I got out. But I got to see the other side of the fence. There are kids out there that desperately need the military. Their lives are in bad shape, for vairous reasons. maybe they have a bad home life, maybe they are hanging around the wrong people and have made some bad choices. So on and so forth. I can tell you, I wish I could have told the kids with records to lie, but that one will always come to light. I can't tell you how many kids I had that had a juvey record, and couldn't get in. I'm not talking about major stuff, I'm talking getting caught smoking weed, or a minor in possesion, or just really small stuff. Not stealing or anything like that. I tried to not pot people into the Navy I wouldn't want to have to work with one day. That is how I justified what I did. It might not be right, but tell that to the guy out on the boat who is working 6 hours on and 6 hours off due to the lack of personnel in his department. He needs recruiters to push people through, and he doesn't give a dang about what it takes. I've been that guy, believe me I hated life. All that said, I just try my best to shed some light on the process and what to expect. I don't regret one bit of my Navy experience. Some great times, some really, really bad times.
This is the problem with setting the bar low. That is now the "expectation". How could you have been shocked that a liar would be a liar?!?!
Let me say this to you and your ilk. The word "Rationalize" is really "Rational Lies"! Even though the bible says "All men [are] liars" - Psalms 116:11 it doesn't rationalize an excuse anywhere therein to continue in those ways.
"I weep for the future" - the Chez Quis maitre-d' in Ferris Bueller's Day Off.
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I think this is one of the finer Nukeworker investigative reports I have seen yet, [salute] to you sir!
However, we are all eager to hear the explanation for this one. Isn't this the same thread that harped on a [DH] [DH] [DH] not so long ago?
Birth Certificate and family photo to come? CM's a good guy, I'm sure there is a reason (step dad?).....
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However, we are all eager to here the explanation for this one.
here, heer, hear
Survey says............. X
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I think this is one of the finer Nukeworker investigative reports I have seen yet, [salute] to you sir!
However, we are all eager to hear the explanation for this one. Isn't this the same thread that harped on a [DH] [DH] [DH] not so long ago?
Birth Certificate and family photo to come? CM's a good guy, I'm sure there is a reason (step dad?).....
The first quote is from Feb 26 2007 and the second post is less than a year later on Jan 10 2008. I doubt it was as simple as you state. But, I too wish to hear the explanation of his discongruent posts.
I'm sure there is a perfectly good and rationalized answer. Though I doubt it will include an explanation of why he would slap a poster around for not understanding his post meaning. Considering all the above of course.
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I think this is one of the finer Nukeworker investigative reports I have seen yet, [salute] to you sir!
However, we are all eager to hear the explanation for this one. Isn't this the same thread that harped on a [DH] [DH] [DH] not so long ago?
Birth Certificate and family photo to come? CM's a good guy, I'm sure there is a reason (step dad?).....
Ding ding ding we have a winner..... biological father was a lt. colone(i roundee up, sorry)l."Step dad" (my dad really) retired as an chief master seargent. Want to see why my last name is not the same as the rest of my family's? You dig up that research macgyver????
For the purposes of online community of which I was pissed off at the time, there's no reason to air dry my dirty laundry. Thanks guys,
But since you asked, here goes.
My mother has three children. My sister is 31, my brother is 17. My biological father left my mother when I was young. My mother got remarried to my" step dad" who then became my father. My biological father would never give up custody on me. I am the only person in my entire family with my own last name. Imagine how I feel when they ask for the" bell family".
On a random note, soon as I get word that it wont mess with my clearance, I will be getting my name changed.
Thanks macgyver. I really enjoy discussing this. Want to see my photos/documents? Another random fact. When I got married I made my wife keep her last name because I didn't want my kids to have that last name.
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Another random fact.
Personally I'm curious why CM digs big grumpy khakis with prominent cigars. But then again I'm just nosy like that 8)
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Personally I'm curious why CM digs big grumpy khakis with prominent cigars. But then again I'm just nosy like that 8)
It maaaaakkkkkeeeessss mmmeeeee fffeeeelllll gooooooodddddd man.
Mac- I will concede that I will use experiences withh both as I see fit. Shady? Maybe a little. Dishonest? No.
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Just for CM.
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Weird friends = Charlie Murphy ROFL
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Hey everyone. I just wanted to say this thread has been very helpful to me. I was already having serious misgivings when my recruiter told me to lie about seeing a shrink when my parents were getting a divorce which is why I came here to seek unbiased advice. If it wasn't from some of the posts on this tread I might have lied (probably wouldn't have, but it could have happened) and I would have to start my service to my country with a cloud hanging over my head. I got my doc to formally take me off my meds which I stopped taking 4 years ago. He was surprised the recruiter would even ask this because he told me he gets approached by the military for stuff like this all the time. They are limited by what they can ask despite the fact that you give them access to your medical records. They can only ask if the person in question would be unfit to serve under duress or properly handle classified information. Furthermore, on the SF-86 form they specifically state "Have you ever seen a psychologist or psychiatrist for any reason OTHER than family, spousal related issues that don't involve violence". In other words, I do not even need to disclose this on the SF-86 and if they probe it, it is likely to be no problem. So basically, my recruiter was trying to get me in as an officer while advocating that I lie to get in just so he wouldn't have to fill out some additional paper work. I am thankful to everyone here for their feedback on this issue and look forward to MEPS next week! 8)
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Hey everyone. I just wanted to say this thread has been very helpful to me...
I'm so glad to hear that it's working out for you and even more glad that you stopped by to let us know. :)
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Anchors away little brother!
Do us all proud! [salute]
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It maaaaakkkkkeeeessss mmmeeeee fffeeeelllll gooooooodddddd man.
Mac- I will concede that I will use experiences withh both as I see fit. Shady? Maybe a little. Dishonest? No.
No malice was meant or should have been considered by my posts. I was not trying to impute or cause shame by my post.
But, you must concede that its hard to follow and understand your posts by reviewing your posts like you stated in this quote:
I would appreciate it if you would read my posts before making bold assumptions about me.
By not cutting and pasting a "quote box" around another persons post you looked like you took it on as your own post. And, add to the fact this little issue we have discussed and you get the picture that it may not have been his fault.
"Everybody lies" -> House
I am willing to concede everyone will lie at some point. As he stated, if you think you havent lied, you are most likely lying to yourself. However, there's the nature and intent behind the lie....
We have all provided our lip service and stood on our soap boxes, it's time to move on :)
[DH] <3 [GH] [coffee] [spank] [soap] [dowave]
Andrew -> No one will die if so and so lies on their entrance paper work. The point is, its not up to the recruiters to pick and choose which rules to follow, even if they do, which is erroneous.
Though most of us saw it right away (re: not using a quote box). We and you should cut some of our new members some slack for not seeing it. I too am new(er) and require some tuning up from time to time due to my lack of forum interactions. But, you could have been a little clearer in your repoduction of another person's words (i.e. quotes).
Just to summarize, you could have been a little better in that "quote" by posting it as a quote. It might have prevented this whole ordeal.
Fuelrod101 ... Our best. Just always tell the truth. Let the cards fall where they may.
Mac
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To the OP, when all is said and done and you get in, congrats. This will be my last post on this topic since every time I try and give my 2 cents it seems to be met with, well, lets call it discouragement by others. I will say this, regardless of what I did or what others do in the tour as a recruiter I will say this for them, without the decision's they make (as a whole) there would not be able bodies to give those out on patrols the much needed breaks in tour. With that said, basing on others logic, if all recruiters went by the recruitman, tours of duty would be longer, more people would be getting out at the end of their first tour, and the requirements (asvab and so forth) would have to be lowered just like in the army for the more abled bodies to get in. Think about that the next time you want to get on your soap box and tell a recruiter (past or present) how to do their jobs the "right" way.
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We don't need your kind of help. So the next time you want to post ...
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Hey everyone. I just wanted to say this thread has been very helpful to me. I was already having serious misgivings when my recruiter told me to lie about seeing a shrink when my parents were getting a divorce which is why I came here to seek unbiased advice. If it wasn't from some of the posts on this tread I might have lied (probably wouldn't have, but it could have happened) and I would have to start my service to my country with a cloud hanging over my head. I got my doc to formally take me off my meds which I stopped taking 4 years ago. He was surprised the recruiter would even ask this because he told me he gets approached by the military for stuff like this all the time. They are limited by what they can ask despite the fact that you give them access to your medical records. They can only ask if the person in question would be unfit to serve under duress or properly handle classified information. Furthermore, on the SF-86 form they specifically state "Have you ever seen a psychologist or psychiatrist for any reason OTHER than family, spousal related issues that don't involve violence". In other words, I do not even need to disclose this on the SF-86 and if they probe it, it is likely to be no problem. So basically, my recruiter was trying to get me in as an officer while advocating that I lie to get in just so he wouldn't have to fill out some additional paper work. I am thankful to everyone here for their feedback on this issue and look forward to MEPS next week! 8)
I like to think that when they do that, it's just a test. ;) Looks like you passed. Excellent!
So what's the next step for you?
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No malice was meant or should have been considered by my posts. I was not trying to impute or cause shame by my post.
Mac
Who cares man. Its complete crap you went and researched my old posts for some kind of disparity to post and try to embarass me. I wish I had all this free time to research members 2-3 year old posts....
so, no malice meant? I dont buy it, it was intentional and deliberate form to call me out. I explained myself, and Im not going to do it again.
I'll just pretend this thread doesnt exist after this point. if you wish further "conversation" send me a pm next time instead of being inspector gadget.
/rant.
That said, lets get this back on topic, sorry.
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Charlie Murphy:
I am glad you were not on a sub, I don't think you would have made it with the thin skin. Dude, don't get all butt hurt over someones post. He probably meant nothing by it other than to clear it up for himself. You seem like a good enough guy but you seem like you could use a relaxing vacation. I am sorry about your family issues, that is a tough one for a little one to deal with. Good luck to you.
Andrewnavy
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Who cares man. Its complete crap you went and researched my old posts for some kind of disparity to post and try to embarass me. I wish I had all this free time to research members 2-3 year old posts....
Be careful not to piss off Marrsim then he is an Archivist Flame Warrior extraordinaire.
http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/archivist.htm
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Dude, you've made about 550 posts in the last four months of your ~66 months and 950 posts as a registered user here,...
You have the time,....
This bit of research took 93 seconds to deliver,...
The juxtaposition used by MacGyver may have been off base but try to keep your rebuttal focused on the abused facts not the science of research,....
It takes one to know one and I may not be able to define one but I know one when I see one,...
:P ;) :) 8)
Eaaaaasssssssy there cowboy Marssim ... :P :P
Good thing you said "may" ... ;) ;D I find my juxtaposition's to be very "parallel" 8)
Charlie Murphy, buddy pal comrade, I'm a research machine. Everything is relevant. And, I do mean everything. I find my best information on a poster by reviewing their first hundred posts. So, yes I research everyone. And, when I witnessed you slap another poster for associating you with someone else's post (by accident). To which it appears you have some culpability in said mistake. I made my observation.
As for not forgiving me. That's fine. I on the other hand do not hold a grudge. I guess it is from years of abuse on a submarine. That is to say, you learn to roll with it.
I hope no one challenges you in your current training cycle. It could be bad when you develop a reputation for being hot headed and resentful early on. It usually follows you around forever.
To be clear, I do not have a problem with your explanation.
Peace
Mac
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Who said anything about holding a grudge?
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I find my best information on a poster by reviewing their first hundred posts.
Great idea! I had forgotten how awesome my first few hundred posts were. Of course, that goes without saying.
Justin
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I like to think that when they do that, it's just a test. ;) Looks like you passed. Excellent!
So what's the next step for you?
MEPS. Looking forward to it. Keeping my fingers crossed everything goes okay and they don't suddenly discover I have a brain tumor or ebola that will prevent me from joining. Apparently a lot of people get hung up on medical issues. Other than the fact my vision kind of sucks I consider myself to be fit and in good health so I am hoping nothing goes wrong there. I'll post another update when I get back so maybe this info could be valuable to others wishing to become navy nuke.
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I'm approaching my MEPS date as well - when I visit I'll catalog my trip as well...perhaps we can get some good combined information for those interested.
Best of luck to you brother - hopefully I'll see you in the pipeline.
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I'm approaching my MEPS date as well - when I visit I'll catalog my trip as well...perhaps we can get some good combined information for those interested.
Best of luck to you brother - hopefully I'll see you in the pipeline.
you will never see him :)
maybe several years later. Doubtful he will get a sub vol clearance, so he will be going to a ship to "learn how to be a divo" for a year. Then he will go through the pipeline and most likely wont ever see him ;)
Cest-si-bon