Per Diem & Travel Pay

[Bob]

What is the average per diem rate being paid to the HP techs?
Please list plant and what you received. Thanks.

[Doc_REM]

Plant Hatch is $85.00 a day

[RDTroja]

Limerick was $90, Saint Lucie is $95.

[Rennhack]

What is the average per diem rate being paid to the HP techs?
Please list plant and what you received. Thanks.

Bob,

Follow this link to see a summary of Fall 2001 Wages and Per diem rates.  Of course, these rates are 1.5 years old, but it will give you a good threshold.

http://www.nukeworker.com/shop/outage_schedules/fall_2001_outage_schedule_w_wages.htm

[Already Gone]

Hi Bob,
Nine Mile Point $85
Prairie Island $80
San Onofre $85 (way too low)
Salem/Hope Creek $100
Pickering CDN$150 (for >75km) CDN$75 (for locals <75km)

[darkmatter]

Cooper: $85.00, not nearly enough! Ask for the Cooper discount at the local motels, etc. Hah.... [smiley=argue.gif]

[uRiaL]

indian pt is 105 aday and thats not even close to being enough. =D  =D  :-? [smiley=angry.gif] the cost of living uphere is more like 210 a day.

[Touche]

Susquehanna $85/day

[Melrose]

Perry is paying NMP Techs(Bozos)135.00 a DAY while they're paying contract workers alot less

[Doc_REM]

D.C. Cook is $75.00 a day...should be some where around $85 to 90.00 a day

[radghost]

Fermi is $85.00/day, although per diem rates (irs allowable) is 159.00 for Detroit and is 103.00 for Toledo, fermi's halfway in between. You can find perdiem rates @ www.policyworks.gov/perdiem for your area. If'n anybody would want to see a little relief due to short outages and increased travel maybe we should ask for comparable perdiem.

[SloGlo]

Perry is paying NMP Techs(Bozos)135.00 a DAY while they're paying contract workers alot less

yinze got a phone fer nmp?

[hatched]

Riverbend=$85.00;   Pilgrim=$100.00

[SD]

Bob,

Follow this link to see a summary of Fall 2001 Wages and Per diem rates.  Of course, these rates are 1.5 years old, but it will give you a good threshold.

http://www.nukeworker.com/shop/outage_schedules/fall_2001_outage_schedule_w_wages.htm

[oldtimer]

  Does everyone keep all their receipts for expences or is there a standard daily firgure that can be taken legally on your tax return. Last year was my first encounter with higher pay in lieu of per-diem

[Rennhack]

http://www.nukeworker.com/other/tax-n-diem/per_diem_rates.htm

[UncaBuffalo]

A couple of the techs & deconners drug up on the last job I was at.  The company we were working for deducted a week's per diem plus their travel pay TO the site from their last check.  Two questions :

1.  Has anyone else had similar experiences?

2.  Is there ANY way this is legal?  I always thought the travel was ours as soon as we passed the entrance exam(s) and assumed if you worked the time, you got the diem...  (I know I have quit a couple jobs and never lost anything that had already been paid to me...)

[bill_b]

First time I saw the take back Line was in proceesing for Duke last year.

[Tech-A]

I just quit @Duke Power and I think they took more than that. But I will be talking to a lawyer soon. I dont see how its legal. If there are more Techs out there that this has happened to should respond to this post, this might turn into a class action suit.

[stownsend]

This happened at Oyster leak in 83/84 with NSS.They had everyone sign a three month commitment ,and 40hours+ per diem if we left prior .This never held up as it was written one-way.They could lay you off if they saw fit.Talk to the Labor board first ,its free.No one can deduct anything from your pay with out you authorizing it.If they feel they are due money from you they have to get a court judgement .Don't delay.

[duke99301]

I took a problem like that to the NLRB and won the case aginst bartlett. they ruled per deim and travel are wages and they had to send me back my pay .
good luck

[darkmatter]

A couple of the techs & deconners drug up on the last job I was at.  The company we were working for deducted a week's per diem plus their travel pay TO the site from their last check.  Two questions :

1.  Has anyone else had similar experiences?

2.  Is there ANY way this is legal? 

Seen it myself several times by different companies. Never had it happen to me cause I always worked til they told me to DFR.
Legal? Ethical? Right/Wrong? probably depends on a case by case basis of why someone drag up.

[alphadude]

its legal when you sign a conditions of employment.  did you sign anything? 

[UncaBuffalo]

Thanks for all the input...I'll pass it on to the interested parties...


KARMA ALL AROUND!

[ELT(SSN)]

     A nuclear staffing company (unnamed) has offered me a THREE week job with the possibility of an extension. They are paying half the travel up front and half after FOUR weeks on the job but require me to forfeit all of the money if I leave before FOUR weeks. 
      1. Is this a common policy in the business?
      2. Are there laws against travel pay blackmail?
Thanks,
ELT(SS)

[Already Gone]

This happens sometimes, but it ususlly isn't the staffing company who makes the policy.  The client normally establishes travel reimbursement policy.  Some pay full travel at the current IRS rate.  Some cap the amount at $400.00 or so, and some pay a flat rate that is usually really low, like $250.00.  Some pay travel in and not out.  Some will only pay travel to/from you address of record regardless of where you actually are.  (this can be good if you go from one job to the next, and they pay you both ways from home.)  Some will not pay your travel out if you quit early.

The thing is this - travel pay is normally a really tiny portion of the overall money picture.  If you travel far, the mileage may not cover all your travel expenses, like lodging and meals, unless you take an economy car and they pay for all the miles.

The real reason they are ransoming your travel money is that lots of people take off before they are let go, leaving them short-handed.  If they didn't make the travel pay and bonuses contingent on your staying, they wouldn't have any carrot at the end of the stick.

The law doesn't require the company to pay your travel expenses.  They pay it as an incentive for people to travel to their job.  If your next job is so close to that one that you can't afford to stay the for weeks, then you can pass this job or forfeit the travel pay.  These days, most of us look at an extra week's work as a bonus.

My philosophy may be a little twisted but it goes something like this:  If you can't afford to travel to a job, you can't afford to pass up the job either.

What the heck.  If you are like most of us, you'll pocket that much in per diem the first week anyway.  We love to live cheap.

Where is the job?  Is it your first?

[Atomic_Punk]

Well said Mr. Beer Court.  It's amazing how many seasoned techs still don't know how this system works.  The same can be said about bonuses.  It's almost always the utillity that lays down the rules and stipulations.  Most of the time it means, 'You leave early, you no get!"
So next time you get' boned ' on travel or a bonus, most likely you can blame the utillity, or yourself if you knew the rules upfront and didn't hold up your end of the deal.

[ramdog_1]

wake up and ask for a better deal ! I go no where unless I get travel in and out milage, plus diem and as will I get my base pay for 8 hours a day. in and out.
ahh alara is not that bad .

[RAD-GHOST]

Why work under their stipulations?  Tell them what you want, tell them to put it in writing and if they refuse, tell them to call someone else!  There is only about a million jobs out, not quite that many techs!

PS: 

The customers that make those stipulations, are usually extremely hard-up for people, due to a really lousy work environment!   Three weeks may very well be an eternity!

[ramdog_1]

good call rad ghost Karma to you

[NC Bound]

I am currently in line for a position with a large Company whose plan is to hire me as a interim employee.  They will be paying me a wage and when I am working at various sites around the country they will be paying me per diem.  I have been a contractor in the nuclear field for many years collecting per diem during outages and for jobs lasting <1 year.  But I have not worked for a Company who will be paying per diem only when I am at a job site.  This is not an issue for the jobs that occur during the first year but how does it work if I know that I will be working for the same Company for more than a year but still getting per diem only when I am at the job sites?  I don't know if I am making a big deal out of nothing or not.  When I am not working at a job site they will furlough me until my next assignment.

[illegalsmile]

As long as the assignments they send you on are <1yr, no problem. You'll just do what you always did.

[rlbinc]

If any one job assignment keeps you in one location in excess of 1 year, then all per diem paid by that employer is retroactively taxable.

If they keep you moving and your location changes at least once per year, there is no deadline for tax free per diem.

Per Diem is location dependent. The amounts vary by location. GSA has a rate schedule at
http://www.gsa.gov/Portal/gsa/ep/contentView.do?contentId=17943&contentType=GSA_BASIC

You can exceed these rates, but then you should document expenses with receipts.

[worker1]

Can someone give me some advice. I have been working for a while now and the company that I work for is saying that I dont rate per diem anymore because of a dirt road, through a forest.  By them claiming that the shortest distance for me to travel is taking this road it takes me away from the per diem minimum distance. can I debate this?

[hamsamich]

You can debate it but there is no requirement for a company to pay you per diem at all.  It is up to them based on their policies.  Per diem is tax free reimbursement companies pay you because nobody local can/will do the job.  Companies that take away workers per diem risk losing non-local workers, but if they can get away with not paying per diem they will.  If you were promised per diem and they took it away from you unfairly you could push the issue with upper management but it is not a law.  It is basically like a justified pay-cut.  At some places the people who do the pay will work with you and actually drive the route to be sure what you are saying is true.  It depends upon the real reason they took it away; they may be trying to trim the budget or maybe they have enough workers so they can afford to take a chance by cutting your per diem based on flimsy circumstance.  For sure push the issue, but don't think they are required to give it to you.  If it is a fairly run company and they made a mistake you could get it back.

[Ksheed]

Can someone give me some advice. I have been working for a while now and the company that I work for is saying that I dont rate per diem anymore because of a dirt road, through a forest.  By them claiming that the shortest distance for me to travel is taking this road it takes me away from the per diem minimum distance. can I debate this?

Per diem is a pass through cost for the employer. They do not make a profit on it and the direct cost is passed on to the customer. They are probably receiving pressure from the Utility to trim their costs. The rules for eligibility are well defined in the contract and it sounds like you are right on the edge of the eligibility requirements. Contracts are written differently depending on the utility or the job.

If your employer's contract is a hard bid job, they may be trying to trim the budget internally. As hamsamich said, per diem is not a requirement. The GSA website has a recommended rate for each area, but few employers actually pay the GSA rate. Some don't pay for commuting daily at all.

You can try to fight it, but if you do make sure you do so tactfully because the decision will ultimately be up to them. If loosing per diem is a deal breaker for you, be prepared to look for a different job. If the employer is willing to pull your per diem on a technicality, then they must consider you expendable. If the job is less than a year you can keep receipts and deduct it on your taxes. I know that doesn't pay the bills right now but it is something.

Good luck.

[btkeele]

First off, I am not an expert on this, but, I have some experience.

Just because you live outside (lets say a 50 mile radius) of a plant and their limit is 50 miles.. does not
automatically qualify you for perdiem... It is about duplicate expenses... You could live 100 miles away and choose to commute each day, but, if you are not renting a room, etc (duplicate expenses) then you still would not be eligible.    Does this make sense?   It's a fine line sometimes.

[Ksheed]

First off, I am not an expert on this, but, I have some experience.

Just because you live outside (lets say a 50 mile radius) of a plant and their limit is 50 miles.. does not
automatically qualify you for perdiem... It is about duplicate expenses... You could live 100 miles away and choose to commute each day, but, if you are not renting a room, etc (duplicate expenses) then you still would not be eligible.    Does this make sense?   It's a fine line sometimes.

You are correct. Technically per diem is not for commuting. That should be paid as mileage, IF it is in the contract. The employer is not going to pay you for something that is not billable to the customer and in accordance with the contract requirements.

[retired nuke]

Can someone give me some advice. I have been working for a while now and the company that I work for is saying that I dont rate per diem anymore because of a dirt road, through a forest.  By them claiming that the shortest distance for me to travel is taking this road it takes me away from the per diem minimum distance. can I debate this?

You're staying in your own place at night? The fact that you are commuting pretty much makes you ineligible (by IRS rules) for per diem. If you are duplicating expenses (have a place near work, plus paying for your primary residence) than you may be able to deduct your living expenses. Otherwise - you are working at your home.
Deal with it...

[hamsamich]

The guy never said he was staying at his own place, I don't why everyone is assuming this.

[SloGlo]

Can someone give me some advice. I have been working for a while now and the company that I work for is saying that I dont rate per diem anymore because of a dirt road, through a forest.  By them claiming that the shortest distance for me to travel is taking this road it takes me away from the per diem minimum distance. can I debate this?

hail yes, yins can debate this. Butt, if they are using a mileage calculator based on most direct route for all travel compensation yule knot get far with yore argument. check to see if they're standard for per diem is corporate wide or particular to the site yew are working.

[Ksheed]

The guy never said he was staying at his own place, I don't why everyone is assuming this.

You're right, he/she did not specifically state that. However, it did sound that way since he/she did not mention a secondary residence. If he/she is that close on the mileage requirements the assumption is that he/she would be commuting. Typical mileage requirement is 50-85 miles? In the past commuting for per diem has been allowed, but utilities are starting to crack down on it. The commuting per diem people are the first casualties of the per diem cost cutting.

It is also common to continue receiving per diem after one year on the job. You just have to have it taxed. In my opinion taxed per diem is better than no per diem.

[Content1]

I am working for company, who shall remain nameless, but wears blue hard hats.  This particular jobsite I was told based full travel home with no caps. They asked for volunteers to be laid off early. I accepted their offer and went home by train. I arranged the purchase over the phone and went to the train station and was identified by my drivers license. It took 3 1/2 days to get home. I was told if you travel over 600 miles per day in need to provide proof of such travel. I submitted a copy my credit card statement showing the cost of the travel. They responded that is not sufficient proof and wanted an itinerary of my travel. I tried to call the Railroad Company after the fact to get an itinerary, but they didn't have it.  So this company that wears blue hats is refusing to pay me for my travel.
I had seven days to get back there after I went home. When I returned, even though it was well under the 600 miles per day they wanted all the travel receipts. They are also refusing to pay my return trip, unless I produce all the receipts for that trip too.  Is anybody else the trouble with companies that use blue hard hats trying to cheat you out of travel pay? Another couple also went home cross country, they paid them and made no special requests by their documentation for the same time period. Am I being singled out here? Oh I have to sue them to get paid for my travel?

[Jr8black3]

I hope your just frustrated as I have been in the past with the company that wears blue hats. Don't think your going down the right avenues to get your money, they will pay you if you kiss the right butts, I agree you shouldn't have to do that.

[Rennhack]

Suing your employer because they are following federal law is always a good idea, I think you should go with that plan.  Nothing bad could come from it.  After all, they need you more than you need them.

[Content1]

I traveled 577 miles per day.  My mileage can be shown on a cell phone or google search.  Accord to their own handbook, documentation is only required if you travel in excess of 600 miles per day.  My departure time and return time is documented in my paystubs.  If they have rules and they do not follow it, who is the wronged party here?  Are rules with them like the "code" in Pirates of the Caribbean, only a guideline they can change when they feel  like it?  If I went to court, would their handbook show evidence of a breach of contract?  Do we just roll over when we have been cheated and do nothing?

[SloGlo]

yins gotta copy of that handbook?

[61nomad]

Content1,
Let me see if I got this right. You had ten days off between outages and you chose to travel home and back, over 3000 miles, by train?  Sounds crazy but I guess it is possible. I dont understand the 600 mile per day thing. I have always got travel pay based on road miles with no consideration of how long it took.  I also live a long distance from most plants and if I was doing back to back outages I would get it in writing that I would get travel pay home and back between outages with no receipts required. Am not sure if they would go for it.

[Content1]

I quoted the travel section of the book.  I took the train home and came back with my car.  That is the way I am going back home. The reason they are fighting me is they agreed to full travel with no cap to attract workers from California.  I thought the same as you, and the book was never explained to me, nor did I get a copy given prior to my travel, nor it was ever explained.  The book even quotes it is only there to prove we went home if traveling over 600 miles per day.  Do they expect us to hang around unpaid for 9 1/2 days?  They seem to think so in my case.   If they can find an excuse not to pay it they will;  they are trying to take it from me.   I traveled the distance at less than the 600 miles per day rules, but they still do not want to pay without documentation. It is like the rule book is only there and followed when it is convenient for them.  If they insist on full documentation, which I don't have, as following the book I thought it was not needed, and it goes to court, the book should provide the evidence they are breaching their own rules, not me.

[61nomad]

Content1
I guess you should change your user name. Withouth knowing all the details there is a 89.56% you are getting screwed.

[Content1]

Content1
I guess you should change your user name. Withouth knowing all the details there is a 89.56% you are getting screwed.

I won't change my name, you see my avatar, and I am truly a David fighting a goliath.  I fight for things when I am right.  I always wonder why in life, I am the chosen one for hassling.

[Eric_Bartlett]

I won't change my name, you see my avatar, and I am truly a David fighting a goliath.  I fight for things when I am right.  I always wonder why in life, I am the chosen one for hassling.

Content - I take it the company with the "Blue Hats" happens tp be the one I work for - Give me a shout when you get a chance so you can run down the whole situation for me and then I can look into it on this end to find out what the issue is and hopefully get you any money owed.

Thanks
Eric

[Chimera]

I first worked for that company with the blue hard hats in 1984.  In all the years and jobs since, I have always been paid what I was told I would be paid - travel, per diem, wages, and, when applicable, bonuses.  A few times they have managed to surprise me by paying me more than I thought they would.  I wonder if some of these issues aren't self-inflicted because someone didn't make sure of the rules BEFORE the fact instead of complaining after the fact.

[btkeele]

I won't change my name, you see my avatar, and I am truly a David fighting a goliath.  I fight for things when I am right.  I always wonder why in life, I am the chosen one for hassling.

I am confused, maybe not getting the whole story... are you asking for the mileage home and back paid per mile
at the federal rate (or the rate specified in the contract)... or are you asking for reimbusement of the train
ticket home and mileage back?  Or train ticket and other expenses (hotel, meals, etc) on the way home?

just curious...

[Content1]

I only asked for the train ride home and full travel back.  I am stating, however, according to the Travel section, if you travel under $600 miles per day you should not have to show any documentation.

[btkeele]

I just read the section in the handbook.  My interpretation of it is that the receipts that they want are just to verify that you did indeed go home, this does not mean that they will pay those expenses. 

This would come into play if you (generally) went from plant A to home, then from home to plant B in less than a 7 day period.  This is to cover them with the utility in case someone who worked in (example) Michigan, had 4 days off and then went to work in Penn... their home is in Oregon...  pretty hard to say you drove there and back in 4 days.  Sometimes there may be a reason you had to go home in that small window, an airline ticket and boarding pass would prove you did.

  I do not see anything in there that says they will pay anything other than the mileage.

again, this is just my opinion, I am not the expert in these matters...
but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express once...

[Content1]

I wish they would pay the mileage.  The trip was over weeks ago, and they haven't  paid a dime.

[GLW]

I wish they would pay the mileage.  The trip was over weeks ago, and they haven't  paid a dime.

*bump*

did this get fixed?

[Eric_Bartlett]

*bump*

did this get fixed?

Now that supporting documentation has been provided the issue has been resolved and the check has been cut. 

Content1 - I appreciate your patience and cooperation in providing the documentation needed in order to get you reimbursed.   

As I've stated time and time again, should you have a problem, issue or concern w/how things are done, be it recruiting, expense reimbursement, pay roll, diem, etc... please contact me so that I can look into things and work  to get your issues resolved, concerns addressed and problems fixed.   


Y'all have a fantastic Memorial Day, and may God bless our military personnel both past and present. 

Eric

[Content1]

Eric is definitely the Angel at Bartlett.  I don't know what they will do when he retires.

[stirfry]

Never mind what Bartlett will do, What will we the workers in the field do???  Who will be the GO TO person.

[Content1]

Are we devolving in the area of per diem?  The Army job in Iowa is advertised at $46/day.  I don't know if you can even find rooms at that rate, let alone buy food.

[HydroDave63]

Are we devolving in the area of per diem?  The Army job in Iowa is advertised at $46/day.  I don't know if you can even find rooms at that rate, let alone buy food.

You mean 30x46= $1380/month wouldn't cover a modest apartment or weekly rate at a no-tell motel, plus McD's breakfast and supper at a local buffet?

[GLW]

Are we devolving in the area of per diem?  The Army job in Iowa is advertised at $46/day.  I don't know if you can even find rooms at that rate, let alone buy food.

You mean 30x46= $1380/month wouldn't cover a modest apartment or weekly rate at a no-tell motel, plus McD's breakfast and supper at a local buffet?

Housing is provided as part of the employment package,...

the $46.00/day is for M&IE,...

almost forgot,...[(sic),...4 beercort]

[Ksheed]

Housing is provided as part of the employment package,...

the $46.00/day is for M&IE,...

almost forgot,...[(sic),...4 beercort]

Are we devolving in the area of per diem?  The Army job in Iowa is advertised at $46/day.  I don't know if you can even find rooms at that rate, let alone buy food.

So you are fully compensated since the M&IE rate for the area is $46/day. Sounds like a good deal if you don't mind spending ~6 months in Iowa.

[Content1]

At Duane Arnold per diem was double that.  Iowa is not that much cheaper than anywhere else.

[Ksheed]

At Duane Arnold per diem was double that.  Iowa is not that much cheaper than anywhere else.

So you received double the GSA rate?
GSA combined rate is $129/day
Housing is $83 per GSA. In this case housing is provided so the $83 doesn't apply.
M&IE is $46 per GSA. Which you would be compensated for.

I guess I have a hard time seeing where you would be getting the short straw on this deal. No rent or utilities to be responsible for and they are paying full rate for M&IE.

[Content1]

Housing provided is a double edged sword.  Is individual or shared?  Is internet and cable provided?  Are kitchens included or must you eat out?  This is not the normal situation for contractors.  Those of us who served in the military like to get away from work when we are off.

[SloGlo]

Housing provided is a double edged sword.  Is individual or shared?  Is internet and cable provided?  Are kitchens included or must you eat out?  This is not the normal situation for contractors.  Those of us who served in the military like to get away from work when we are off.

well.fricken wahhhh! did yew log in, apply, call, oar udderwise tri two ascerain this info? aye did knot, as eye am gainfully employed at this thyme. butt, eye have done many jobs ware housing was supplied. never had too double up, always at a decent motel. most military support hp jobs where motels, although the occasional b.o.q. was used. you can't eat and drink on $46/day, yinze got a problem.

[SpringChinook]

I know this is 12 years after the original post but I will answer anyways...

Wolf Creek: $110/day
STP: $115/day
Palo Verde: $110/day
Columbia: $110/day

[OldHP]

Housing provided is a double edged sword.  Is individual or shared?  Is internet and cable provided?  Are kitchens included or must you eat out?  This is not the normal situation for contractors.  Those of us who served in the military like to get away from work when we are off.

well.fricken wahhhh! did yew log in, apply, call, oar udderwise tri two ascerain this info? aye did knot, as eye am gainfully employed at this thyme. butt, eye have done many jobs ware housing was supplied. never had too double up, always at a decent motel. most military support hp jobs where motels, although the occasional b.o.q. was used. you can't eat and drink on $46/day, yinze got a problem. 

Been through the "BOQ" lodging provided (single room with bath) (nice kitchen if you want to eat alone) and much nicer accommodations.

If you like the rate take it, if you don't someone else will!

[Funk123]

Does anyone know do you receive per diem for watts bar outage?

[Rennhack]

Does anyone know do you receive per diem for watts bar outage?

What craft?

[GLW]

Part of the great secret.  We try to live on as little as possible to pocket the excess money like a pay raise.  When they provide the room, you loose that benefit. The whole purpose of a job is not to see the USA on your resume', it is to make and keep as much net money as possible.  It is the capitalist's way.

just so long as you are telling the IRS you are doing that,...

and do not paint ALL nukeworkers with the same broad brush,...

pay is pay,...

per diem is per diem,...

and the expectation is that ALL the per diem is used to cover ALL of the expenses,...

per diem IS NOT a pay raise nor is it pay,...

pay is taxable,...regardless of the income source,...

to admit otherwise is to scoff the law,...

scoffing the law is not nuclear,...

can we move past this now?!?!?!?!?

[Ksheed]

pay is pay,...

per diem is per diem,...

and the expectation is that ALL the per diem is used to cover ALL of the expenses,...

True, and getting closer to or at the GSA rate allows you live a little easier while on the road.

can we move past this now?!?!?!?!?

Not likely, it is just some people's nature to complain. Some people could crap gold bricks and complain about their butt hurting.

"If you ain't b1tch1n' you ain't happy!" -my platoon sergeant

[SloGlo]

Part of the great secret.  We try to live on as little as possible to pocket the excess money like a pay raise.  When they provide the room, you loose that benefit. The whole purpose of a job is not to see the USA on your resume', it is to make and keep as much net money as possible.  It is the capitalist's way.

two each there own. aye prefer too bee comfortable on the rode sew eye am rested and e fore work. knot reel favorable too cocky roaches knore non-secure doors. eyed rather have a wheel balanced diet than mick-meals.

it's  yore choice
it's true
aisle nebber by a Royce
butt aye ain't blue.

[SloGlo]

That is why it is a secret, shhh!

yeah, like flying inn two logan too collect mass. u.c.