Y-12 Complex Peace Rally

[Marlin]

   I have not seen one of these for a long time. I remember a lot of protests in the 70s & 80s outside commercial nuclear plants especially in New England. I'm trying to remember who they were, the Abalone Alliance I think or was that California. They don't look or sound any different than the protesters I saw back then. The only difference is that there is a lot more respect for trespassing on Federal land occupied by the NNSA, I remember security patiently waiting for protesters to scale the outer fence so they could arrest them. Here there is just a blue line showing the property line, but it seems to be a much better deterrent than a chainlink fence at a commercial facility. Maybe its the armored vehicles with miniguns mounted on top in the background. 

http://www.knoxnews.com/photos/galleries/2011/apr/16/y-12-complex-peace-rally/31723/#section_header

[drayer54]

Why do they get to claim the word Peace?

Mothers for Peace, Complex Peace Rally, and I am assuming others too...

What's so peaceful about these organizations? They are disrupting the peace if anything by making noise and spreading ignorance.
And why the masks?

I want the nuclear industry to reclaim the word peace. I mean, the weapons keep us safe and promote peace (Think Mutual Assured Destruction). The air outside of a plant is far more peaceful than the air around a coal plant.
Just a thought

[bismuth-210]

americans are such wimps when it comes to protesting.  

germany -->  

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gERVTdp3OjRBov_5Gct4pCss1H-g?docId=1d40a09a75344ca8b823c787bf757870

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5iDBwZ4mGL3Z8wlCljIZjbKQfwYwg?docId=CNG.414d9a63a3c6d33db74e0e1648606e7d.591

[bismuth-210]

that's because all the good ones died in the war. What's your point?

germany is collectively a smarter nation than the USA is my point.

it can be proven.  or rather i can prove that most americans are half wits with a substandard education.

if you don't believe me, drive down to your local Wal Mart and see for yourself or simply turn on your tee vee.  i think dancing with the stars is on

[OldHP]

 

germany is collectively a smarter nation than the USA is my point.

Then why don't you move to Germany or learn something other than teenage texting.



I'm done!  I  because you and your buddies try to drive every subject off topic!

[HydroDave63]

germany is collectively a smarter nation than the USA is my point.

Of course. I would expect nothing less from die Herrenvolk. What with 174,000 known Stasi informants in the population, I have no doubt a Red-Green protest could easily summon up 200,000 bodies to walk in the rain and wish for the good old days of Erick Honecker and driving home in a Trabant.

[bismuth-210]

Then why don't you move to Germany or learn something other than teenage texting.



I'm done!  I   because you and your buddies try to drive every subject off topic!

how's this off subject ?  we're talking about nuke protests.  i am comparing and contrasting germany (the EUs largest economy) vs. the USA.

maybe you should take a refresher course in social studies.

I apologize if my internet message board writing skills are not up to your standards.

i can choose not to capitalize or leave out punctuation if i want to.  this isn't an english class.

lastly i was just playing my part as internet troll when marlin posted on the protest, which was merely bait, in knoxville TN.

[RAD-GHOST]

bismuth-210,

germany is collectively a smarter nation than the USA is my point.

it can be proven.  or rather i can prove that most americans are half wits with a substandard education.

if you don't believe me, drive down to your local Wal Mart and see for yourself or simply turn on your tee vee.  i think dancing with the stars is on

Your Funny...

I have to ask.....Which group do you populate, "MOST", or the unique "FEW"?

RG

[ski2313]

germany is collectively a smarter nation than the USA is my point.



If you'd move to Germany, we'd tip the scales a little more in our favor.   

[CPeterson]

aww man... these peaceniks really need to get the word out. I would have patched up the oil leak in my polka-dotted 1967 VW van (made in Germany mind you) and been there!!    

Sic vis pacem parabellum

[Laundry Man]

That looks like one lame rally.
LM

[Dave Warren]

Honestly, these people are like the "People of Wal Mart". www.peopleofwalmart.com

You look at them, study them, laugh and shake your head and then click your mouse to the next page.

They aren't doing any harm and they aren't doing any good.

Look at the positive side, at least they are getting out and getting a little exercise....

[nukecheese]

Years ago while working at Oak Ridge I was talking to guards in the breakroom.  They had some funny stories.  True or not the stories were quite funny. 
There was a cloning business which grew plants just below Y-12 down from ORNL.  This company cloned some of the strongest most potent poison ivy which could be found.  Thousands of these tiny plants were plugged in the grassy field right in front of the Y-12 security complex sign in the pictures.  As you know from cutting the grass that as long as poison ivy is constantly cut short the leaves never get bigger than a dime.
The grassy field is always mowed nice and short before any protest.
Just saying.

[namlive]

You cannot simultaneously prevent and prepare for war.
        Albert Einstein (1879 - 1955)

Politics is war without bloodshed while war is politics with bloodshed.
    Mao Tse-Tung (1893 - 1976)

[Cycoticpenguin]

You cannot simultaneously prevent and prepare for war.
        Albert Einstein (1879 - 1955)

I disagree completely. Look at the cold war

/offtopic

[HousePuke]

There was a "Peace Rally" at Lawrence Livermore yesterday.  Apparently it's been an annual event for a number of years.  33 people were cited for obstructing a public roadway, but that was about the extent of it.

[RDTroja]

I disagree completely. Look at the cold war

/offtopic

Don't worry about disagreeing... that Einstein guy wasn't known for being very smart.

[Cycoticpenguin]

Don't worry about disagreeing... that Einstein guy wasn't known for being very smart.

[Marlin]

Don't worry about disagreeing... that Einstein guy wasn't known for being very smart.

He was physicist not a politician, general, or philosopher. He is also the one who convinced President Roosevelt to build the bomb, not very consistant with the quote.

I think I would prefer Teddy Roosevelt's quote:

"Speak softly and carry a big stick;"

[RDTroja]

He was physicist not a politician, general, or philosopher. He is also the one who convinced President Roosevelt to build the bomb, not very consistant with the quote.

I think I would prefer Teddy Roosevelt's quote:

"Speak softly and carry a big stick;"

Actually when he came up with his Theory of Special Relativity, he was a patent clerk, not a physicist (although he was trained as one.)

He also said:

"I am not only a pacifist but a militant pacifist. I am willing to fight for peace. Nothing will end war unless the people themselves refuse to go to war."

And I will strongly disagree with your assertion that he was not a philosopher. He was one of humankind's best philosophers IMHO.

For instance:

"I believe that a simple and unassuming manner of life is best for everyone, best both for the body and the mind. "
"I do not believe in immortality of the individual, and I consider ethics to be an exclusively human concern with no superhuman authority behind it."
"I do not believe in the God of theology who rewards good and punishes evil."
"If people are good only because they fear punishment, and hope for reward, then we are a sorry lot indeed."
"Intellectual growth should commence at birth and cease only at death."
"Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of mankind."
"Only a life lived for others is a life worthwhile."
"Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one."
"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."
"The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits.
"The only reason for time is so that everything doesn't happen at once."
"The world is a dangerous place to live; not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it."
"There are two ways to live: you can live as if nothing is a miracle; you can live as if everything is a miracle."

And my favorite Einstein quote:
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."

If that is not philosophy, what is it?

All quotes courtesy of http://www.brainyquote.com. And there are lots more where they came from.

[namlive]

The government has already decided to build an atomic weapon before Einstein wrote a letter.

The night before he figured out that relativity stuff, he stayed at a Holiday Inn Express.

[Marlin]

He also said:

"I am not only a pacifist but a militant pacifist. I am willing to fight for peace. Nothing will end war unless the people themselves refuse to go to war."

"Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not."

Thomas Jefferson

[Static Prevails]

"Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not."

Thomas Jefferson

"A people free to choose will always choose peace."
-Ronald Reagan

And I will strongly disagree with your assertion that he was not a philosopher. He was one of humankind's best philosophers IMHO.

I agree wholeheartedly. My favorite Einstein quote:
"If A equals success, then the formula is A = X+Y+Z, with X being work, Y play, and Z keeping your mouth shut."

[Marlin]

"A people free to choose will always choose peace."
-Ronald Reagan

"We bomb Russia in 5 minutes"

-Ronald Reagan

[Marlin]

And I will strongly disagree with your assertion that he was not a philosopher. He was one of humankind's best philosophers IMHO.

I agree wholeheartedly. My favorite Einstein quote:

The Expanded Quotable Einstein sits between Eats, Shoots & Leaves and Napalm and Silly Putty on my desk. I also like Will Rodgers quotes but Will is still a comedian and Albert is still a physicist. 

[RDTroja]

The Expanded Quotable Einstein sits between Eats, Shoots & Leaves and Napalm and Silly Putty on my desk. I also like Will Rodgers quotes but Will is still a comedian and Albert is still a physicist. 

And they called Kurt Vonnegut, Jr. a Science Fiction writer, but it was just a medium... he, too, was a philosopher.

[Marlin]

And they called Kurt Vonnegut, Jr. a Science Fiction writer, but it was just a medium... he, too, was a philosopher.

Then we must add Jules Verne, Author C Clarke, Robert Heinlein, Gene Roddenberry, and any other scientist, author, comedian, or inspirational speaker with vision or insight.

Semantics.......

[RDTroja]

Then we must add Jules Verne, Author C Clarke, Robert Heinlein, Gene Roddenberry, and any other scientist, author, comedian, or inspirational speaker with vision or insight.

Semantics.......

If you say so... we are already too far off topic to continue further down this path.

[Marlin]

If you say so... we are already too far off topic to continue further down this path.

I can agree with that   

[MrHazmat]

OH 

Fall out from the security breech at Y-12 in July:


B&W Y-12 will terminate WSI Oak Ridge security contract
Posted at 8:58 pm September 28, 2012 by John Huotari Leave a Comment
WSI Oak Ridge, the company that has guarded the Y-12 National Security Complex for about a dozen years, will lose its contract, B&W Y-12 announced Friday evening.
The announcement came two months after an unprecedented security breach. It occurred on the same day that the National Nuclear Security Administration recommended a contract termination.
"B&W Y-12 fully supports NNSA's recommendation in this matter and will work diligently to further enhance the security at Y-12 and make the transition for former WSI Oak Ridge employees as seamless as possible," said B&W Y-12 President and General Manager Chuck Spencer. "We recognize that our focus on safety and security at Y-12 cannot be compromised, and we remain committed to continuing to drive improvements in both areas."
B&W Y-12, which manages and operates the plant for the NNSA, will now be responsible for Y-12 security, a press release said. The transition will start Monday.
Y-12 manufactures parts for every weapon in the nation's nuclear arsenal, and B&W Y-12 said it wants the transition to be orderly, ensuring that "safe and secure operations remain the highest priority."
A company press release said active Y-12 security police officers and other active union WSI Oak Ridge employees at Y-12 and the Central Training Facility in Oak Ridge will be offered employment with B&W Y-12 at their current wages and benefits. Collective bargaining agreements with union employees will be honored.
B&W Y-12 will also conduct an evaluation and hiring process for non-union WSI Oak Ridge employees who supervise and support Y-12 guards, the release said.
It said WSI Oak Ridge employees at Y-12 and the Central Training Facility should continue reporting to work as scheduled.
There are about 500 guards at Y-12. WSI, also known as Wackenhut Services and G4S Government Solutions, has provided security services there since 2000.
WSI became a subcontractor to B&W Y-12 after the July 28 security breach. Before that highly publicized intrusion, which has brought the plant much unwanted attention and punctured its aura of invincibility, WSI had operated under a separate contract with the NNSA.
Officials said the subcontractor status would result in a "single-point accountability for security."
During the security breach, three anti-nuclear weapons activists sneaked into the plant, cut through fences with bolt cutters, and spray-painted slogans and splashed human blood on the Highly Enriched Uranium Materials Facility, where bomb-grade uranium is stored.
A variety of concerns have been raised since then, including the actions of the guards during the intrusion and an incident a month later, when a federal inspector allegedly found papers in a patrol vehicle that included answers to a test scheduled to be given to guards. The papers weren't supposed to be shared, a DOE official said.
On Friday, NNSA Public Affairs Director Josh McConaha did not say what evidence was used to recommend a WSI contract termination.
The B&W Y-12 press release said the company began making changes quickly after the July 28 intrusion to prevent any future occurrences.
"These actions included the removal and replacement of key leadership personnel, restoration of critical security system elements to service, and refining and recalibrating of alarm system components to enhance reliability," it said. "Through multiple corrective measures, daily site-wide alarms have been significantly reduced, and protective force alarm responses have improved."

[Crusher]

Thanks for the update on the security breach.  I have been to the site and was stunned to hear that some old ladies could actually get on site.... and not get shot.

Security there is serious to say the least.  Letting that happen is how a company gets fired.  I believe the contract was up for review with competitive bids anyways.