Indian Point License

[navynukedoc]

So I am reading about the legal proceedings about Indian Point and their contest to get their license renewed. Seems like they are trailing on the popular vote and "experts" say that the plant can be removed from the grid without any negative consequences.

Any opinions or thoughts to as why or why not IP should or shouldn't get a renewal? Personal experiences are welcome as I have never worked there.

-Doc

[GLW]

Dominos,...

Yesterdy VY,...

tomorrow?!?!?!?

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/08/27/us-vermont-nuclear-entergy-idUSBRE97Q0L920130827

...Denault added that Entergy is open to a settlement with New York officials over the future of its controversial Indian Point nuclear plant, which is near New York City.

[navynukedoc]

Well we know SONGS, Oyster, Kuwanee (sp?) And VY. But rumor has it Exelon is looking to cut operating costs by closing single unit plants.

I look at it like this, if they close 'em, we still have to decom 'em. There just won't be any refueling going on!

Besides, they are building some nice shiny AP 1000's down south. Just wait, we aren't done yet!!!!!

[Fermi2]

Dying industry. Exelon is thinking of closing Quad Cities too. It's not making money.
Of those reactors in the south I will venture only 2 will be completed and those will be the last 2 in the US ever,

[HydroDave63]

Dying industry. Exelon is thinking of closing Quad Cities too. It's not making money.
Of those reactors in the south I will venture only 2 will be completed and those will be the last 2 in the US ever,

Sort of a bowl of "garlic soup for the soul" observation for this fine Turkey Day....but absolutely spot on. The irony being that many of the single unit sites and IP being at risk economically comes not from bad engineering decisions, but the false economics of decremental market must-take wind from eagle shredders in Iowa and Illinois bidding into MISO and PJM markets.

[hamsamich]

Disagree. I think the future is undecided.  Commercial power as we know it in the US may be dying this minute, but it is too viable a power producer with the greenhouse gas issue still looming to write it off as an obvious dying industry.  Quad cities and single unit plants being uneconomical don't have so much to do with nuclear power being a dying industry as it being an inefficient way to operate nuclear power plants.   No matter how many new ways we learn to slice them, fossil fuels are non-renewable.  The local and sometimes national political problems stopping nuclear power could change as well.  Political winds shift quickly and unexpectedly.  gobble gobble      

[Fermi2]

Disagree. I think the future is undecided.  Commercial power as we know it in the US may be dying this minute, but it is too viable a power producer with the greenhouse gas issue still looming to write it off as an obvious dying industry.  Quad cities and single unit plants being uneconomical don't have so much to do with nuclear power being a dying industry as it being an inefficient way to operate nuclear power plants.   No matter how many new ways we learn to slice them, fossil fuels are non-renewable.  The local and sometimes national political problems stopping nuclear power could change as well.  Political winds shift quickly and unexpectedly.  gobble gobble      

You're wrong. Cost over runs. Scrubbers, Natural Gas are going to kill the Nuclear industry. What should be of note is Quad is a good running DUAL unit plant.
So far two plants that have been granted life extensions are closing early.  Others are on their way. No one in their right mind will build a nuke when you can plop a CoGen anywhere and have it up and running in a couple years. Less than a decade ago the Nuke industry said we've learned our lesson, we can build these economically and thus far it's been proven a myth. Also no one in their right mind should believe Combined Licenses will happen. As soon as someone with the financial wherewithal intervenes THAT theory will go out the window.

[Fermi2]

Well we know SONGS, Oyster, Kuwanee (sp?) And VY. But rumor has it Exelon is looking to cut operating costs by closing single unit plants.

I look at it like this, if they close 'em, we still have to decom 'em. There just won't be any refueling going on!

Besides, they are building some nice shiny AP 1000's down south. Just wait, we aren't done yet!!!!!

BTW sorry guys. I didn't mean to drop anything on Thanksgiving but when I saw the last paragraph here I couldn't stop myself.

I'll also submit to you the plants won't do anything but Safetstor long past our lifespan. Maybe our children too.

[navynukedoc]

You're wrong. Cost over runs. Scrubbers, Natural Gas are going to kill the Nuclear industry. What should be of note is Quad is a good running DUAL unit plant.
So far two plants that have been granted life extensions are closing early.

Guess BZ has a fetish for contradictions and aggrovations on my posts today. ;-)


Old article, but still in the works last I knew.

http://www.yournuclearnews.com/tva+progresses+with+mpower+project_64820.html?amp

Relax, you don't have to fight every person that doesn't agree or see things the same way you do.

I agree, the dinosaur plants we now call home won't be built anymore.

-Doc

[Fermi2]

Correction no more plants will be built.

WBN 2 is 3 Billion over budget. TVA has stopped their plans for Bellefonte.

The link you posted was never under serious consideration, at a utility thsat is cutting a billion from their budget do you sriously believe they'd try to build sa reactor that isn't under licensing consideration?

Dying industry. Eulogy being written.

[Xenon_Free]

@navynukedoc,

It is time to accept the inevitable, the industry is doomed.  There is no way to be viable without Broadzilla.

If TVA let him go... There is little hope for us "janitors". 

XF

[Fermi2]

Oh hell no. Just look at what has happened the past 2 years and what's about to happen the next couple. It's dying.
Bad Decisions and a new economic reality killed it. The good people manning the plants didn't.

[hamsamich]

I'm looking 20 years into future not 5.  Not saying it is gleaming, just saying it isn't 100% dead.

[Fermi2]

In 20 years there will be maybe 25 to 30 plants left.