you mean fossil fuels have to process their waste too?

[hamsamich]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/new-york-sue-fossil-fuel-companies-global-warming-divestment-a8152711.html


nuclear has been dealing with this crap for a long time.  hopefully everyone else will have to deal with 100% waste capture just like nuclear power.  THEN we will see who is really cheaper.

[SloGlo]

sue wit nukes closing up dew two cheep nat gas generation, watt cents does it make too sue the fossil industry in order four them two bee moor accountable fur global warming? the cost of the lawsuit, all the costs including compliance, will get past awn too the consumer, i.e. higher rates. may bee the mayor is dune thus too raise rates without utility commission rulings and sew raise taxes.

[TVA]

Uh they actually do spend billions processing it...

[GLW]

Uh they actually do spend billions processing it...

Sometimes for some things,..

Most agreement states include exemptions similar to:

http://codes.ohio.gov/oac/3701:1-43-07

3701:1-43-07 Exemptions.
(A) Persons who receive, possess, use, process, transfer, distribute, or dispose of TENORM are exempt from the requirements of this chapter with respect to any combination of radium-226 and radium-228 if the materials contain, or are contaminated at, concentrations less than one hundred eighty-five becquerel per kilogram (five picocuries per gram) excluding natural background. The progeny of the exempt TENORM radium-226 and radium-228 are also exempt. Manufacture of consumer or retail products at concentrations greater than one hundred eighty-five becquerel per kilogram (five picocuries per gram) is regulated pursuant to paragraph (C) of rule 3701:1-43-10 and rule 3701:1-43-11 of the Administrative Code.

(B) Persons who receive products or materials containing TENORM distributed in accordance with a specific license issued by the director pursuant to paragraph (A) of rule 3701:1-43-03 of the Administrative Code, or by an equivalent license issued by another state, are exempt from this chapter with regard to those products or materials.

(C) Persons who receive, possess, use, process, transfer and distribute, including preparation of custom blends for distribution, phosphate or potash ore-based fertilizers containing TENORM are exempt from this chapter.

(D) Persons who receive, possess, use, process, transfer, dispose into a permitted landfill, or distribute, including preparation of custom blends for distribution, zirconia, zircon, and products of zirconia and zircon containing TENORM are exempt from this chapter provided that the radioactive constituent is consistent with the radioactivity levels stated in the safety data sheet accompanying the zirconium-bearing materials. A facility that manufactures zirconium metal from ore or chemically processes zirconia or zircon resulting in increased environmental mobility of TENORM is not exempt from this chapter.

(E) Persons who possess TENORM waste regulated by the Comprehensive Environmental Response, Compensation and Liability Act (CERCLA 42 USC 9601 to 9628 as amended, as published in the United States Code, 2006 edition) or by the Resource Conservation and Recovery Act (RCRA 42 USC 6901 et seq. as amended, as published in the United States Code, 2006 edition) are exempt from this chapter for the TENORM waste regulated by either of these federal acts.

(F) Other persons who possess or use TENORM shall be exempt when the director makes a determination, upon his or her own initiative or upon request for such determination, that the reasonably maximally exposed individual will not receive a public dose with a total effective dose equivalent (TEDE) of more than one millisievert ( 0.1 rem) in one year from all licensed or registered sources of radiation including TENORM.

(G) Persons who receive, possess, use, transfer, distribute, or dispose of materials in the recycling process contaminated with scale or residue not otherwise exempted or other equipment containing TENORM with a radiation exposure level that does not exceed 0.5 microsieverts (fifty microrem) per hour, including background at any accessible point are hereby exempt from the requirements of this chapter.

(H) Persons engaged in the manufacture, wholesale or retail commercial distribution, use, or disposal of the following products or materials, or the recycling of equipment used to produce, contain, or transport the following materials are exempt from the requirements of this chapter:

(1) Potassium or potassium compounds that have not been isotopically enriched in the radionuclide potassium-40;

(2) Fossil fuel or byproducts from fossil fuel combustion, including bottom ash, fly ash, and flue-gas emission control byproducts; or

(3) Material used for building construction, industrial processing, sandblasting, metal castings, or other material in which the radionuclide content has not been concentrated to a level higher than is found in its natural state.

(I) Persons who receive, possess, use, process, transfer, or dispose of TENORM or TENORM waste from oil and gas wells and production operations within the state are exempt from the requirements of this chapter in that they are subject to the regulatory oversight of the Ohio department of natural resources in accordance with section 1509.02 of the Revised Code. This exemption does not apply to service providers performing radiological decontamination of scale containing TENORM in pipe and other equipment.

(J) Persons who receive, possess, use, process, transfer, or dispose of waste water facility sludges that contain TENORM, are exempt from the requirements of this chapter in that they are subject to regulatory oversight by the Ohio environmental protection agency in accordance with section 6111.03 of the Revised Code.

(K) Persons who possess, store, use, transport, or commercially distribute compressed gases and compressed gas products containing TENORM are exempt from the requirements of this chapter. The exemptions contained in this paragraph do not apply to a facility that processes compressed gas or compressed gas products containing TENORM.

Effective: 9/28/2017
Five Year Review (FYR) Dates: 7/14/2017 and 07/01/2022
Promulgated Under: 119.03
Statutory Authority: 3748.04
Rule Amplifies: 1509.02, 3724.11, 3748.01, 3748.02
Prior Effective Dates: 4/1/2012. 10/01/14

[TVA]

They ALL have to have a form of FGD and they ALL have to store their sludge. They ALL have a radiation monitor on their exhaust..

I ran a fossil generation training department...

[GLW]

posters on this thread are talking stacks and sites,...

the POV of the article is the product life cycle, cradle to grave,....

nuke plants do not pay the costs for Moab,...

dirt burners do not pay the costs for McLaren,...

the law is pretty good (maybe too good) at regulating the point of power generation,...

not so much on the cradle to grave aspects,...

[Marlin]

My  :


The base for this article is global warming meaning primarily CO2. I feel that they are trying to recover money for a self inflicted wound. They are citing sea level rise threatening Manhattan island as a threat created by the big oil companies. Measured sea level rise has not increased past historical rise with the natural climate variations. Currently the use of natural gas has done far more to reduce CO2 emissions than anything else that has been done maybe New York should sue itself for obstructing the construction of new pipelines for the increasing demand of natural gas in New England in general.

[GLW]

My  :


The base for this article is global warming meaning primarily CO2. I feel that they are trying to recover money for a self inflicted wound. They are citing sea level rise threatening Manhattan island as a threat created by the big oil companies. Measured sea level rise has not increased past historical rise with the natural climate variations. Currently the use of natural gas has done far more to reduce CO2 emissions than anything else that has been done maybe New York should sue itself for obstructing the construction of new pipelines for the increasing demand of natural gas in New England in general.

in short; hypocrisy of pharisaic proportions:

in order to "feel good and morally superior" NYC is going to divest itself of pension funds supported by "evil oil companies",...

the bankers tell the politicos, "Well just remember, there are few better pension fund securities so, in all likelihood, you're gonna default on some portion of the pensions, but at least you can feel good about yourself as you default and get your ass handed to you in the next general election".

so, the politicos tell themselves, "No problem!!!! We'll just sue the evil oil companies for the money we elected to walk away from on some trumped up notion of "fair share" and "friends of the earth" BS, just like we did the tobacco companies twenty odd years ago."

and, well, there you go,....

[hamsamich]

BS.  So they have to capture close to 100% of their waste stream like nuclear?  BS.  CO2/other fossil fuel waste products vs nuclear waste may or may not be an issue but they are not treated the same right now.  Nuclear power plants have to capture a much higher percentage of their waste.  Get a clue.  Fossil fuel plants DO NOT come close to capturing 100% of their waste streams.  Nukes do.  Re-read your training department head and do an accurate and meaningful comparison.

[Ksheed]

My  :


The base for this article is global warming meaning primarily CO2. I feel that they are trying to recover money for a self inflicted wound. They are citing sea level rise threatening Manhattan island as a threat created by the big oil companies. Measured sea level rise has not increased past historical rise with the natural climate variations. Currently the use of natural gas has done far more to reduce CO2 emissions than anything else that has been done maybe New York should sue itself for obstructing the construction of new pipelines for the increasing demand of natural gas in New England in general.

You belong in PolySci, and so does this rebuttal to your post: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/fracking-would-emit-methane/

[Marlin]

You belong in PolySci, and so does this rebuttal to your post:

Probably

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/fracking-would-emit-methane/

Excellent source but six years old and reads more like an opinion piece based on other studies.   My   

[Rennhack]

 

[SloGlo]

You belong in PolySci, and so does this rebuttal to your post: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/fracking-would-emit-methane/

n everybuddy nose dino farts was the caws of our lass grate global warming.