Rent a tech Union debate

[biloxoi blues]

If your not a roadie and not house what are ya?  In two sentences are less.

[Already Gone]

This might surprise you, but a lot of us are management types, and a lot work for other than utilities or roadtech companies.

My actual title is Northeast Region and Nuclear Services Operations Manager for Global Safety Sources, Inc.

[SloGlo]

I´ve heard about four new RP tech training programs firing up within the past two years...and since two of them are with 50 miles of the house, I assume there are more that I haven´t heard of. 

since they ain't listed here under training, perhaps yinz should start a thred listing them. 

[biloxoi blues]

I will take faulty assumption for a 1000, Alex.  I take it your job is full time with one company thats what I consider "House", doesnt mean you have to work for a utility.   Just because you didnt do anything great in the contracting world you dont have to be bitter about it and then chat like your doing something great because ya took your picture with a tie.   I also see that you were an "safety engineer" but I didnt quite catch the college you went to (online perhaps, counting navy time or just self proclaimed engineer).  And its hard to believe but the company Ive been working for has rewarded me with diffent job opportunities. (I hope because of my hard work )  Its alright for you to debate the rent a tech/union but please dont downgrade us we know our place and dont tell us what to do, alot of us have done quite without your long winded advice.

[azkidd]

I´ve heard about four new RP tech training programs firing up within the past two years...and since two of them are with 50 miles of the house, I assume there are more that I haven´t heard of.




SloGlo,  for your info, Palo Verde is sponsering a course through Estrella Mountain Community College for RP Techs.  Entergy is looking through a College in Missouri for recruioting purposes.  All without Union help.  Get in the game.....boy!!

[azkidd]

I WILL TAKE FAULTY ASSUMPTION FOR THE DAILY DOUBLE ALEX!!!!!  Unions were fo ryesteryear...  nevermind....a freakin' dead horse as everyone else who reads this thread thinks.  I told myself to nevermind.....but again, I dropped myself to the level of those who believe in an RP Tech union....or union in itself.  I will sign off now.

Oh... for all the REDSKIN believers?  They played a REAL team tonight.....and got BEAT!!!!!

[PWHoppe]

I think everyone needs to take a pill.

Please do not resort to personal attacks or I may just have to invoke the dreaded "delete post option".  Thanks for your support 

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[G-reg]

I think everyone needs to take a pill.

I took mine.  

I'm going to start out by saying that I've never been in a Union, but I have worked with many Union employees (particularly in the shipyards).

I am an unshakeable believer in the principle of Unions (i.e., collective bargaining).  However, I don't like the way Unions nowadays are being operated.

I have never liked the notion of tenure (and keep in mind that I myself have 20 years of tenure at my current job).  If Johnny-come-lately with less time than I've got is better at my job than I am, then shame on me.  The only time I personally even give a nod to tenure is if two equally-capable individuals are competing for the same position; then tenure might enter the picture as "bonus points" in the break-out.  If I need somebody for a job, then I have only two questions: "Are you qualified?" and "Are you the best person I've got to get-R-done for this job?"  Call me simple...

And of course there's the ubiquitous corruption/Mafia perception about Unions.  The real shame of this is that there ARE enough bad apples tucked in the infrastructure to keep this image perpetuating (especially the closer you get to the TOP of the infrastructure).  Who are the Union bosses accountable to?  Who holds them to task?  Who do they answer to regarding all of the money (YOUR money) they wield in the name of the Union?  What happens to them when they misbehave at their post?

There is no doubt that right now we'd all be getting raked over the coals if it weren't for collective bargaining, but right now I don't care for the Unions themselves any more than I care for the Corporate Giants.

So what's the solution?  Oh hell, I don't know...  But (as unappealing as this sounds), I actually find myself leaning toward some State/Federal regulation - of both the Giant Corporations and the Unions.  Both sides are dealing in tremendous amounts of money, and it's obvious that the honor system really isn't working...  In my own humble opinion, it is time for some collective bargaining against both the Union bosses and the Corporate execs; only in this case, the people need to be represented by auditors, regulators, and District Attorneys.  It's time for a reset...

[Of course, it's unlikely that this is going to happen.  Politicians are just as prone to corruption as Union bosses and Corporate execs, and the Corporate/Union get to cast more of those little green votes that fit inside your wallet than you or I have...  Can anybody else say, "Self-perpetuating problem?"]

And in closing, I would like to refer everybody to the signature statement at the bottom of my post.  Thanks for letting me rant.

 - Greg

[Already Gone]

I will take faulty assumption for a 1000, Alex.  I take it your job is full time with one company thats what I consider "House", doesnt mean you have to work for a utility.   Just because you didnt do anything great in the contracting world you dont have to be bitter about it and then chat like your doing something great because ya took your picture with a tie.   I also see that you were an "safety engineer" but I didnt quite catch the college you went to (online perhaps, counting navy time or just self proclaimed engineer).  And its hard to believe but the company Ive been working for has rewarded me with diffent job opportunities. (I hope because of my hard work )  Its alright for you to debate the rent a tech/union but please dont downgrade us we know our place and dont tell us what to do, alot of us have done quite without your long winded advice.

Yeah, I don't need a union - and I don't really want to be in one either.  But I still have a lot of skin in the game.  My friends are out there busting their butts, and getting less for it every year.  And I am not above the belief that I may have to come back to the job someday.  A union is just one possible answer, but at least it is better to discuss it than to keep things the way they are and hope they will get better on their own.
You don't have the right to claim ownership of the profession, so either listen to me or don't, but you know where you can go if you think you have the right to tell me to shut up.
And I get really sick of debating an issue with someone who can't come up with any argument better than the insults you are spewing at me.  You didn't quite catch the college I went to because I never told you.  If you think I'm not qualified for my job, don't hire me...Oh, that's right, you can't hire anybody, can you?   
Look, this debate isn't about whether or not you like me personally.  Nobody - I mean NOBODY - cares if you do or not.  Do you have something to say about whether a union would be beneficial or not?  If you just want to run me down because you are envious of my position, or you don't like the part in my hair, or whatever, do it by PM.  I can delete those, and nobody here has to suffer through it.

[SloGlo]

I´ve heard about four new RP tech training programs firing up within the past two years...and since two of them are with 50 miles of the house, I assume there are more that I haven´t heard of.




SloGlo,  for your info, Palo Verde is sponsering a course through Estrella Mountain Community College for RP Techs.  Entergy is looking through a College in Missouri for recruioting purposes.  All without Union help.  Get in the game.....boy!!

oko, sew da sunburners git training.  duzant due me enny good.  btw, i bin in da game.....did time at p.v. in da middule 80s.

[PWHoppe]

Hmmmm It seems like we are getting off the topic of this thread again

How about everybody stick to the topic or comments in the "other" thread

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[duke99301]

is this union?

[SloGlo]

eye yam tinking dat nukes woooo vote democrat fer prez cut there own throats.

[alphadude]

I guess you have been in management always and never studied your American history. The formation of unions in America helped form the middle class which I am sure most of if not all of you belong. Saying unions are all bad is a generalized statement of the uninformed. Unions helped start worker protection, workers compensation, insurance for workers, retirement funds, hazard communication, chemical exposure control, 40 hour work week, ended sweat shop mentality, removed children from hazardous work, helped women get jobs and become independent...the list goes on and on. What you have today, your work conditions and benefits are all due to the formation of unions in America.

[Dave Warren]

I don't think the President has as much to do with it as most of you seem to think.
Bushie was supposed to be for cleaning up all the DOE sites and creating the GNEP. Ask the folks at Oak Ridge how that's working out for them.

[Marlin]

I guess you have been in management always and never studied your American history. The formation of unions in America helped form the middle class which I am sure most of if not all of you belong. Saying unions are all bad is a generalized statement of the uninformed. Unions helped start worker protection, workers compensation, insurance for workers, retirement funds, hazard communication, chemical exposure control, 40 hour work week, ended sweat shop mentality, removed children from hazardous work, helped women get jobs and become independent...the list goes on and on. What you have today, your work conditions and benefits are all due to the formation of unions in America.

   I think History is the operative word. Unions are not the same nor is union solidarity. A lot of union work is now being done in sweat shops by women and children overseas with no OSHA safety rules. Many unions bargained themselves out of existence, those that are still around are making concessions. If unions lean toward democrats it is because of the republican legislation and government union busting.
   I am not pro nor anti union, I have never belonged to a union but have had union people working for me at several jobs. When the union acts as your bargaining agent on your behalf they serve a good function but when they are more concerned about their existence and power they lose their way and help no one.
   Industries have come and gone but many have had the death nail put in them by unions not willing to change.

[Dave Warren]

On July 26th, 2007, the Republicans chose to put big business ahead of the middle-class workers of the United States.

The legislation was a litmus test vote for organized labor and businesses, strong supporters of Democrats and Republicans respectively. "Today's vote shows us who is standing with workers and which politicians are in collusion with corporate America to destroy the middle class," Teamsters President Jim Hoffa said.

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/062607T.shtml

[alphadude]

I agree unions have seen their sun start to set.. it is when someone makes a general statement without thinking ... 

Just about every benefit workers have today has its roots in the union and they should be honored for that.   

As far as the hourly worker- thinking that he or she is cutting the slice of pie the way he wants it... great illusion.. we as managers are given a set of operational guideline used to hire and compensate workers. So far in the last 25 or so years....no hourly worker has ever, ever, ever gotten more than those guidelines.  So, think what you may..  we as owners and managers give you what you think you need.. no more no less (well sometimes less) if you notice, typically we let the future employee make a decision on what does he think he needs... that way we can say ... you agreed to that!

If you aren't 1099, consulting, fixed price, or professional...good luck

we employers get what we want to make a profit

[Dave Warren]

I didn't lobby for anything.
I was just showing the previous posts what the vote was. They were all trying to say that the Democrats were the downfall of nuclear power, and that if you vote for a Democrat, you are gonna lose your job and all the plants will shut down. So far from the truth.

[alphadude]

i agree dave- its election time and time for people to put on their veil to cover their eyes and vote for the politician chosen for them.

remember when we used to say.. your first mistake was listening to a politician?  some how they got a lot smarter in the last 8 years or so...the politicians not the voter...

[SloGlo]

A lot of union work is now being done in sweat shops by women and children overseas with no OSHA safety rules.

watt union label wood dis bee? 

[Marlin]

watt union label wood dis bee? 

Without digging to much anything textile and many small appliances.

[Marlin]

watt union label wood dis bee? 

Almost forgot those $150 tenny runners that are made for $2 a peice.

[SloGlo]

'n dey gots da union label in them?

[Marlin]

'n dey gots da union label in them?

Many of these were made by union labor here at one time, textile/clothing and small equipment manufacture was the first thing to go overseas. Remember the movie Norma Rae?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norma_Rae