Author Topic: Talk about Bartlett (Read 421387 times)

UncaBuffalo · « **Reply #350 on:** Sep 20, 2006, 11:03 »

Quote from: BeerCourt on Sep 19, 2006, 11:10

I don't see what the big deal is. If they really need you somewhere, all they have to do is send you there. The fact that they actually gave you a choice indicates that they needed you equally at either place.

Whoa, whoa, whoa! Flag on the play! Since when do they get to make the decisions? That's the reason I've always liked rent-a-teching...I decide where and when I want to work.

Eric_Bartlett · « **Reply #351 on:** Sep 20, 2006, 11:09 »

Quote from: RemBoy on Sep 19, 2006, 10:47

Anybody else get the "You won't work for Bartlett again" speech for not going where you didn't want to this Fall?

Hmmm...I'm going to have to question this one.

I highly doubt that you got that message just for not going where you didn’t want to...unless of course you had already confirmed for and held a slot at a site so we wouldn't be trying to fill that slot and then after holding that slot for some time decided you didn’t want to go to - and even then I highly doubt the message was "you won't work for Bartlett again" speech, but more of "don't expect us to give you a choice job if your bagging us now" - If I'm wrong then I apologize for both doubting you and the actual incident with our recruiter(s). I'd definitely like to know which one of my recruiters is making such threats so I can address the issue. That type of stance has not and will not be tolerated, so if you do have a legitimate complaint contact me through the nukeworker private message system and I’d be more than happy to address the issue with whichever recruiter you feel has threatened your ability to work.

Eric Bartlett

Mike_Koehler · « **Reply #352 on:** Sep 20, 2006, 11:14 »

Good post...... As usual right on top of things and ready to striaghten out "misunderstandings"..... Karma to you

alphadude · « **Reply #353 on:** Sep 20, 2006, 12:06 »

good reply eric, its good to see the old days are gone and standards and policy prevails. historically, techs have failed to get the fine details and then whine and talk trash when faced with the facts. (which were always in place) Hence, I always ask for an agreement, even if it is simple one page, which I sign and we are both at that point doing business on common ground. If the prospective employer don't ask for a simple agreement or even suggest one- I do not have any legal or professional committment at that point. (hint hint Eric) Each head hunter should ask for signed agreement and so should the techs. Verbal agreements only last for a few minutes and unless witnessed are not very binding. (resulting in "you will never work in this industry again" rage) As the minimum, a simple agreement ends all of this "thats not what you said, or I didn't commit to that" issues.

Besides -blackball threats are illegal!

Eric_Bartlett · « **Reply #354 on:** Sep 20, 2006, 01:24 »

Quote from: alphadude on Sep 20, 2006, 12:06

...Verbal agreements only last for a few minutes and unless witnessed are not very binding. (resulting in "you will never work in this industry again" rage) As the minimum, a simple agreement ends all of this "thats not what you said, or I didn't commit to that" issues...

Point taken...My field representives and mangers are dragging me kicking and screaming out of the dark ages and part of thier plan is to have some sort of confirmation letter or agreement, whatever you wanna call it, written up, possibly in time for the spring staffing. I'm sure no matter what we do or how we do it, it'll displease someone, but thats the nature of the beast.

Thanks,
Eric

Gonzo · « **Reply #355 on:** Sep 20, 2006, 01:44 »

Quote from: BeerCourt on Sep 19, 2006, 11:10

I don't see what the big deal is. If they really need you somewhere, all they have to do is send you there. The fact that they actually gave you a choice indicates that they needed you equally at either place.

i can't imagine where you're coming from with this comment... but before i'd let bartlett decide for me where i go (without my warm concurrence that is).. i'll go and stay house somewhere where the benefits and pay are much better..

WADecay · « **Reply #356 on:** Sep 20, 2006, 02:26 »

Signed Agreement.....Commitment..... .pay/per diem......INL?

Already Gone · « **Reply #357 on:** Sep 20, 2006, 03:47 »

Quote from: UncaBuffalo on Sep 20, 2006, 11:03

Whoa, whoa, whoa! Flag on the play! Since when do they get to make the decisions? That's the reason I've always liked rent-a-teching...I decide where and when I want to work.

Since they started signing the checks, that's when.

I think that any tech should be given his or her choices whenever it is possible. But, there are times when the company who pays you every penny you earn needs for you to be flexible. If you can't do them the favor of working where they need you, why should they expend any effort at all to accomodate your desires.

UB, you enjoy the choices you do because you earned the right. A good tech with a good reputation can pretty much write his own ticket. But you have to admit that you went somewhere at least once in your life because somebody asked you to go there, and not because it was your preference to go there.

You guys who want a signed agreement need to join a union. If you aren't willing to do that - well, now you know what you are giving up to avoid it.

atomicarcheologist · « **Reply #358 on:** Sep 20, 2006, 03:49 »

Quote from: Eric_Bartlett on Sep 20, 2006, 01:24

Point taken...My field representives and mangers are dragging me kicking and screaming out of the dark ages and part of thier plan is to have some sort of confirmation letter or agreement, whatever you wanna call it, written up, possibly in time for the spring staffing. I'm sure no matter what we do or how we do it, it'll displease someone, but thats the nature of the beast.

Thanks,
Eric

Next thing you know, Direct Deposit will be initiated upon receipt of agreement letter. Wouldn't that be shocking? To think, one could have Direct Deposit of Incoming Travel Expenses upon the day of arrival! Same thing for Outgoing Travel. I realize that Per Diem can't be paid via DD until 6 months is worked, but with an Agreement, it would seem that Travel Expenses should be DDed immediately.

Already Gone · « **Reply #359 on:** Sep 20, 2006, 03:52 »

Quote from: Gonzo on Sep 20, 2006, 01:44

i can't imagine where you're coming from with this comment... but before i'd let bartlett decide for me where i go (without my warm concurrence that is).. i'll go and stay house somewhere where the benefits and pay are much better..

Go ahead! What's stopping you? Perhaps the fact that it ain't as easy as you make it sound. There aren't that many house jobs just waiting for you to apply. But even if you could get one today, that does not have any bearing on the question at hand.
If you call Bartlett (or wait for them to call you) every September for a job, you have no business bitching when they give you one.

UncaBuffalo · « **Reply #360 on:** Sep 20, 2006, 04:19 »

Quote from: BeerCourt on Sep 20, 2006, 03:47

But you have to admit that you went somewhere at least once in your life because somebody asked you to go there, and not because it was your preference to go there.

Okay, I have ended up at a few plants that weren't on my A-list to do a friend a favor...but that's a whole lot different than the home office (or Bruce in the old days) telling me that I had to go somewhere...

UncaBuffalo · « **Reply #361 on:** Sep 20, 2006, 04:24 »

Quote from: BeerCourt on Sep 20, 2006, 03:52

If you call Bartlett (or wait for them to call you) every September for a job, you have no business bitching when they give you one.

The 'wish-list' system is our way of telling Bartlett where we want to go. If the home office (out of thin air) decided to tell us we were going someplace that we hadn't put in for, any of us would give them our blankest stare...

(Sorry to jump into your discussion, JC)

RemBoy · « **Reply #362 on:** Sep 21, 2006, 08:31 »

Quote from: Eric_Bartlett on Sep 20, 2006, 11:09

Hmmm...I'm going to have to question this one.

Eric Bartlett

Thanks for the reply Eric, your staff has always been helpful, the comment didn't come from the recruiting staff.
In response to your post though, no confirmation was in place nor were any submittals requested to go to the site referenced. A commitment was already in place, though. (With the other guys)
Never worked for the company in the past, don't owe them anything, but, honor of my word. Ethics stopped me from baggin on them when asked to do so, then when the arm twisting started, principle also fell in place.
I don't think your company would appreciate strong arm tactics coming from the other guys trying to get technicians to bail on commitments made to you and your staff.
By the same token, what I wouldn't do to you, I also wouldn't do to the other guys.
I hope you understand.

I'll message you privately.

thanks,

Eric_Bartlett · « **Reply #363 on:** Sep 21, 2006, 10:16 »

Quote from: RemBoy on Sep 21, 2006, 08:31

Thanks for the reply Eric, your staff has always been helpful, the comment didn't come from the recruiting staff.
In response to your post though, no confirmation was in place nor were any submittals requested to go to the site referenced. A commitment was already in place, though. (With the other guys)
Never worked for the company in the past, don't owe them anything, but, honor of my word. Ethics stopped me from baggin on them when asked to do so, then when the arm twisting started, principle also fell in place.
I don't think your company would appreciate strong arm tactics coming from the other guys trying to get technicians to bail on commitments made to you and your staff.
By the same token, what I wouldn't do to you, I also wouldn't do to the other guys.
I hope you understand.

I'll message you privately.

thanks,

Glad to hear it wasn’t a recruiter, upset to hear it happened at all, by any member of the company, I would like to know the circumstances and situation so I can address it, for anyone to threaten someone’s future employment is completely unacceptable to me. And yes I do understand and commend you on keeping your commitment with Brand "X", because that’s what I’d expect you to do if you were committed with us, but if you do get a chance contact me privately so I can fully understand what happened and what was said by whom so I can address it.

Thanks and may you have a profitable season,

Eric

RRhoads · « **Reply #364 on:** Sep 21, 2006, 06:26 »

As seen by todays posts for outage jobs...the need continues to grow..i can't believe that Wolf Creek is not staffed w/ the $$ being thrown around.
The pond must be light.

Eric_Bartlett · « **Reply #365 on:** Sep 21, 2006, 07:05 »

Quote from: RRhoads on Sep 21, 2006, 06:26

As seen by todays posts for outage jobs...the need continues to grow..i can't believe that Wolf Creek is not staffed w/ the $$ being thrown around.
The pond must be light.

RR how ya do'n? Always stir'n the pot arent we RR - if you look closely same 'ol ads just hit the refresher button and tweaked a couple of words to see if we could get any new hits, the need has always been there. Wolf Creek is staffed. Thanks for caring enough to pay attention! and yes there be a bunch of fish left but they aint keeper size yet...or they be crafty like yourself and dont wanna be caught!
Take it slow,
Eric

biloxoi blues · « **Reply #366 on:** Sep 23, 2006, 02:21 »

Just a little note Wolf Creek is staffed and we had a nice visit from corporate management. Was stated by him that Bartlett is trying to keep the medical costs down, and that Bartlett is working on the 401k plan that we may eventually get more than the seemingly outdated 200 dollar match after 2000 dollars invested. He also stated that we shouldnt expect these rates here at Wolf Creek next time we come here. I guess the cost of living will be going down or something. Also stated that he would like to see the hourly pay rate straight across the board at all plants, but the per diem rates would be the federal rates for that area. Also stated that he is very interested in a core group. Im pretty sure he has been trying to get more core groups for sometime now. Of course there were questions on all these subjects. There seem to be concerns if these rates and the core group were in the best interest of the techs or the company. All in all it was nice to have Bartlett management come and talk to the troops. By the way I dont seem second rate

roadhp · « **Reply #367 on:** Sep 23, 2006, 04:32 »

That sounds like MB. He said those very same things at waterford and surry and north anna, etc. etc. Then we got slammed. Just like here at Peach Bottom. The supervision and Bartlett said we had more techs than they have had in the past five years. But we haven't seen them, the pay is still the same. When we started here, the house sup. said we had more techs, but yesterday he said that they were short from the begining, and we lost 6 more since the outage began. We are trying to run the drywell on 4 Bartlett and 2 house, and they keep pulling the second house. Breaks are non-exsistant, and the decon staff are so understaffed that when anything comes up we have no help. Supplies are low or gone, and the workers just keep coming. Its amazing that the other craft can have so many people that one of our jobs is to make sure they don't put too many in the hole, but we don't even have enough to do that. At some times in the past week, we have had more Nuclear oversite people than we have had techs.

And we keep pulling from other groups to try and plug the hole, but they always seem to be assigned to special projects.

We are going to Oyster Creek after this one...(got roped in before we knew what it was about) Wish us luck or something, because it is going to be much worse than here.

Bartlett is probably going to find even more understaffed outages if they continue to underbid for the sake of getting contracts, because that is the main reason there are not enough techs here, I guarantee. If the money was here, more techs would be here, and Oyster Creek would be staffed if they offered as much as the MidWest plants in Excelon did.

RRhoads · « **Reply #368 on:** Sep 23, 2006, 07:37 »

well..i hate to chime in here but...
If you would have read the "talk about" threads for each of the above mentioned plants...you were warned about BOTH sites.
I used to live 1/2 hr from PB & only worked there 1 time in 15 years. Nuff said!
But on the brite side...you only have 2 weeks at PB & then you get to "enjoy" the Jersey shore & f-ed river!
Now nuff said!

biloxoi blues · « **Reply #369 on:** Sep 24, 2006, 02:50 »

There are no complaints from me the money is good and the people are nice so Im expecting to work hard to earn it. I dont go into an outage with a bad attitude and rarely have come out with one. He didnt state that this would be an easy outage. And Im also very happy with Bartlett. Im just hoping the 200 dollar thing is raised and insurance is affordable. Im not sure if I like the core group ( cause it may keep our rates down) and I also believe that we should be paid on performance. There probably would be less whining (ah nevermind we are hps) and more quality work going on (or more sucking up to cordinators for good evals)

illegalsmile · « **Reply #370 on:** Sep 24, 2006, 04:30 »

BB, just find the camera standard and get back in the well !!!!!

RRhoads · « **Reply #371 on:** Sep 24, 2006, 10:37 »

ahhh...i've heard that "core group" BS being thrown around 5 years ago for that OC/LIM/PB/TMI..and it still hasn't happened & doubt it will.
Everything always "sounds good"...but goes to crap when implemented.

remowil55 · « **Reply #372 on:** Sep 25, 2006, 11:40 »

I'm going to put my 2 cents in here. I guess things are getting really bad out in the world when the recruiters will lie to you just to staff an outage, and when you call there hand on it they will not respond to your e-mails Eric i know you read this, web site on a regular basis, ask you co workers if this is the thing they should be doing, If a recruiter does not know all the facts they they should not be recruiting for that site, if they know and withhold this info just to staff and outage, then to me that' just the same as lieing to a tech to get him there, knowing full well if he burns Bartlett, then he's not going to work for a while, isn't that right (name deleted by moderator)? I have 16 years in this business and i have never been treated like i have on this outage, She burnt me once, she will not burn me again. Remo

Eric_Bartlett · « **Reply #373 on:** Sep 25, 2006, 01:25 »

Quote from: remowil55 on Sep 25, 2006, 11:40

I'm going to put my 2 cents in here. I guess things are getting really bad out in the world when the recruiters will lie to you just to staff an outage, and when you call there hand on it they will not respond to your e-mails Eric i know you read this, web site on a regular basis, ask you co workers if this is the thing they should be doing, If a recruiter does not know all the facts they they should not be recruiting for that site, if they know and withhold this info just to staff and outage, then to me that' just the same as lieing to a tech to get him there, knowing full well if he burns Bartlett, then he's not going to work for a while, isn't that right (name deleted by moderator)? I have 16 years in this business and i have never been treated like i have on this outage, She burnt me once, she will not burn me again. Remo

Remo - give me a shout when you get a chance - I'd like to know what happened so I can address the situation - if any of my people deliberatly misled you I need to know, and yes i agree, withholding info or misleading someone is the same as lying.

JessJen · « **Reply #374 on:** Sep 26, 2006, 12:02 »

Quote from: biloxoi blues on Sep 24, 2006, 02:50

(or more sucking up to cordinators for good evals)

ive found even if you were to save timmy from falling in a well youll still get a b on your eval somewhere. sups get asked too many question if your evals perfect and too many if its lousy so everyone gets grouped into mediocre. its a sad thing but ive seen it a few times and not just with big blue. make the evals easier and we may just be able to go to a system where work is rewarded until then dont expect it to work, even if you are captain containment. just my .02 cents

Author Topic: Talk about Bartlett (Read 421387 times)

alphadude

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