Author Topic: Officer vs Enlisted (school) (Read 32472 times)

NUKECOMER101 · « **on:** Mar 25, 2009, 10:13 »

I am in school to be a Mechanical Engineer, I am going on my VIP trip to Jacksonville FL. at the end of April. I have spent several hours reading threads from this site and have found many of them useful. However, I still have a few questions that me and my fiancé are confused about.First question, What is the difference between A-school, and power school?

From what I have gathered, The pipeline is both A-school and power school. Please correct me if I am wrong.

Now are these schools what I would be going through as an officer in the NUPOC program? Are they the same schools that an Enlisted recruit would go through?

If not, how do they differ?

During these schools will my fiancé be able to move with me to SC after OCS?

I have read that I would go to OCS for 12 weeks then off to a school for Nuclear theory for 6 months, then to a school for on the job training with Nuclear Reactors for 6 months, Is this a realistic timeline or is there more school involved?

I strongly believe I will pass any school I attend, but what happens if I don’t? At that point I will have already agreed and signed up for 5 years, so what happens then? Will I be kicked out of the Navy and have to repay anything the Navy has given to me while I’m in college?

I will greatly appreciate any input.

NUKECOMER101 · « **Reply #1 on:** Mar 25, 2009, 11:12 »

Thanks for the link, however my questions are still unanswered. This seems to be the trend, my officer recruiter has given me a website as well. I have actively done my research and still come up short.

DDMurray · « **Reply #2 on:** Mar 26, 2009, 05:25 »

I'll answer what I can.

Quote from: NUKECOMER101 on Mar 25, 2009, 10:13

First question, What is the difference between A-school, and power school?

NFAS does two basic things. (This applies to enlisted only)
A. It teaches basics of your in rate trade (MM, EM, ET)
B. It prepares you for Nuclear Power School. NFAS

Quote from: NUKECOMER101 on Mar 25, 2009, 10:13

From what I have gathered, The pipeline is both A-school and power school. Please correct me if I am wrong.

The pipeline is NFAS, NNPS, and NPTU. Officers attend NNPS and NPTU only. If they're sub vols, they'll go to Sub School in Groton, CT prior to their first boat.

Quote from: NUKECOMER101 on Mar 25, 2009, 10:13
Now are these schools what I would be going through as an officer in the NUPOC program? Are they the same schools that an Enlisted recruit would go through?

If not, how do they differ?

As an officer candidate, you'll attend O-NNPS and NPTU. The enlisted pipeline assumes a high school education so starts teaching at that level. Officer pipeline teaches at a level of college grads.

Quote from: NUKECOMER101 on Mar 25, 2009, 10:13
During these schools will my fiancé be able to move with me to SC after OCS?
Yes

Quote from: NUKECOMER101 on Mar 25, 2009, 10:13
I have read that I would go to OCS for 12 weeks then off to a school for Nuclear theory for 6 months, then to a school for on the job training with Nuclear Reactors for 6 months, Is this a realistic timeline or is there more school involved?
Depends on what specific officer program you're in. This is a good generalization, but one of the other guys are more qualified to answer that question.

Quote from: NUKECOMER101 on Mar 25, 2009, 10:13
I strongly believe I will pass any school I attend, but what happens if I don’t? At that point I will have already agreed and signed up for 5 years, so what happens then? Will I be kicked out of the Navy and have to repay anything the Navy has given to me while I’m in college?

You'll owe the Navy time. If you flunk out, you generally get assigned a billet based on your abilities and, more importantly, needs of the Navy. This could include a trip to Afghanistan or Iraq. Again, one of the other guys is more qualified to answer.

InLuvWithRecruit · « **Reply #3 on:** Mar 26, 2009, 07:30 »

DDMurray that was helpful! Thanks very much for taking the time. Me and my fiance are trying to educate ourselves on the navy lingo, esp regarding nuke school (after OCS). He hasn't signed anything yet...

Samabby · « **Reply #4 on:** Mar 26, 2009, 09:22 »

As a future Naval officer, your writing skills will be under constant evaluation - both formal and informally. Make it " my lady & I " .

Yes, it really is that important.

Nuclear NASCAR · « **Reply #5 on:** Mar 26, 2009, 09:58 »

You may have already looked here; http://www.nukeworker.com/forum/index.php/topic,12646.0.html or knowing Honeycomb it's probably in your PM inbox. Not having been smart enough to have seized the opportunity to serve I go to that thread constantly to try to figure out what some of these guys are saying.

Thanks in advance for your service also.

Tom

NukeNTO · « **Reply #6 on:** Mar 26, 2009, 12:29 »

I do the same job as the guys who are going to be leading your VIP trip in April except I cover the western half of the US. If you have any more questions feel free to send me a PM or post them.

Don't forget to ask lots of questions on the trip, the point of the VIP is to let you see the work environment and answer your questions so if you don't ask then it was a waste.

Par234 · « **Reply #7 on:** Mar 26, 2009, 03:18 »

Hi all....i'm new on the board. I actually found a lot of information from the discussions on the Facebook Nuke Page. Navy Nukes are actually the ones that answer the questions and give information to those of us that are interested. I guess it could just be another place to take look. http://www.facebook.com/pages/US-Navy-Nuclear-Propulsion/32780060687?ref=ts

Good Luck!

NukeNTO · « **Reply #8 on:** Mar 27, 2009, 12:55 »

Jason,

Don't sweat it. In hindsight it was a poor choice of username seeing how active NukeLDO is. I can see it being confusing.

Dustin

NukeLDO · « **Reply #9 on:** Mar 27, 2009, 08:43 »

Well, I answered questions via PM, but referred to NukeNTO for the most up to date info on NUPOC.

InLuvWithRecruit · « **Reply #10 on:** Mar 30, 2009, 03:37 »

I just want to thank the guys who have responded to this thread or my Pm's. All of you have been extremely helpful with my questions. Looks like I am going to MEPS this Friday to get that out of the way before my interview. I'm guessing I will be doing this to speed up the process. I really need to know if I will be accepted into the program by May, So we are shooting for my interview in May.

Anyway, I had just a few more questions to add. I have read and heard a lot about power school. I was wondering what the pass/fail rate was over this past year? I know it has differed over the years past. I have also read threads about how its not what it use to be. So, I am asking, hoping for a more year to date response. However, I am also open to listen to anybody else's experience with power school as well.

Also, should I be accepted into this program and pass all my schools. About how much radiation would I be exposed to each month if I end up on a submarine? or a lifetime (20+)

Thanks guys, all of you have been extremely helpful so far.

Ryan

InLuvWithRecruit · « **Reply #11 on:** Mar 30, 2009, 03:39 »

Just realized I was logged in under My Lady's username. LOL

The Above thread was from NUKECOMER101
oops

BuddyThePug · « **Reply #12 on:** Mar 30, 2009, 03:59 »

Quote from: InLuvWithRecruit on Mar 30, 2009, 03:37

About how much radiation would I be exposed to each month if I end up on a submarine? or a lifetime (20+)

Less than smoking 1 pack a day

NukeNTO · « **Reply #13 on:** Mar 30, 2009, 04:20 »

Ryan,

Regarding going to MEPS prior to your interview....that's normal. To be invited you need to be screened academically (by NRC and Naval Reactors) AND you need to be screened physically (by N3M) to make sure you're eligible to recieve a commission.

I'm not sure what the current pass rate at power school is, but rest assured that it is very high. I'd bet a paycheck >95%, they'll get you whatever help they need to in order for you to pass. My class was 93/95 and the two failures were going to work for Bettis not the Navy.

Don't worry about the radiation as stated it's pretty insignificant compared to many other events people don't think twice about.

Marlin · « **Reply #14 on:** Mar 30, 2009, 04:48 »

Quote from: NukeNTO on Mar 30, 2009, 04:20

Don't worry about the radiation as stated it's pretty insignificant compared to many other events people don't think twice about.

At sea you will probably receive less than normal background, sea water makes good shielding from mother nature. At sea normally only the ELTs receive detectable dose, well many moons ago on the 637s and I suspect that it is still true for the newer class of boats.

NukeLDO · « **Reply #15 on:** Mar 30, 2009, 07:01 »

22+ years and I haven't even hit the 2 Rem mark....granted I was a prior electrician, not an ELT, but I'm in reactor compartments a minimum of 3 days a week for 20 mins to 1 hour in my current job. Dose rates are extremely low, and outside the secondary shield, almost negligible.

InLuvWithRecruit · « **Reply #16 on:** Mar 31, 2009, 03:58 »

For the record, I've tried the search engine. Assuming Ryan is selected for the NUPOC program... After his interview with the admiral, how long will he have to review the contract before he signs anything? Is there a copy available to read prior to the interview? Basically, I'd like to review the contract myself. Is that possible? In all reality, if he commits to the navy and I commit to him... well you get my point. I've read the threads regarding relationships. I've lost some sleep b/c of this forum

On a side note, is the life of an officer's wife different than that of an enlisted's wife?

vagabond · « **Reply #17 on:** Mar 31, 2009, 04:47 »

Quote from: Marlin on Mar 30, 2009, 04:48

At sea you will probably receive less than normal background, sea water makes good shielding from mother nature. At sea normally only the ELTs receive detectable dose, well many moons ago on the 637s and I suspect that it is still true for the newer class of boats.

This still remains true for the ELTs. RTs get the next highest from my experience also.

Lifetime your does will definitely be low, much less than 2 REM I'd imagine. Unless you plan on hanging out in the RC you'll be fine. The newer boats are much cleaner. Most of the older hot ones should be getting scrapped by the time you make it to your boat.

As said before though, you're receiving less does submerged then you would if you were on land. Just another reason to be at sea, plus the water tastes better there!!

Marlin · « **Reply #18 on:** Mar 31, 2009, 05:11 »

Quote from: Amy Sue on Mar 30, 2009, 03:39

Just realized I was logged in under My Lady's username. LOL

The Above thread was from NUKECOMER101
oops

Hmmmmm... does that make you a "cross poster".

mlslstephens · « **Reply #19 on:** Mar 31, 2009, 05:18 »

Quote from: Amy Sue on Mar 31, 2009, 03:58

For the record, I've tried the search engine. Assuming Ryan is selected for the NUPOC program... After his interview with the admiral, how long will he have to review the contract before he signs anything? Is there a copy available to read prior to the interview? Basically, I'd like to review the contract myself. Is that possible? In all reality, if he commits to the navy and I commit to him... well you get my point. I've read the threads regarding relationships. I've lost some sleep b/c of this forum On a side note, is the life of an officer's wife different than that of an enlisted's wife?

Amy,
I appreciate your concern as the decisions you and Ryan are making are very important and will change the course of both of your lives...if not forever, for several years. Since I'm not my wife, I really cannot answer your question of a wife's life...and I won't turn over my NaVLI4 keyboard to my wife.

However, since I served ten years enlisted and twelve years as an officer [all with the same wonderful wife] I think I will take a stab at this one.
Being the wife of an officer is no different than being the wife of an enlisted man. Here is my point. Yes, the job of an officer is different than that of an enlisted man but the "man" is not different. Does that make sense? I know it is a simple answer, but I'm being very honest here. If the sub has a surface to dive ratio of less than one, then all the wives get paid...if you know what I mean.

I truly wish you and Ryan the best of luck in your future both as a happily married couple and as members of the greatest Navy in the world. Feel free to PM me for specific questions if you desire. I would even let my wife answer those.

I wouldn't change my career for anything. I completely enjoyed my 22 years and my wife would say the same.

NukeLDO · « **Reply #20 on:** Mar 31, 2009, 06:19 »

Mike.

InLuvWithRecruit · « **Reply #21 on:** Mar 31, 2009, 06:52 »

NaVLI4,
That was a breath of fresh air! I love reading marriage success stories. Congrats to you and your wife. I can only assume it's the ultimate test of dedication and trust. And oh, how I would love to pick your wife's brain

It's my fear of the all the unknowns that fuel my doubts. Am I going to adjust to the lifestyle? Will I be able to deal with the time apart? Questions of that nature. Don't get me wrong, Ryan's safety is of my utmost concern. Aside from that, I have issues regarding my role as a Navy wife. I've told Ryan that I would commit 100% at this point, but when it comes time (5 years?) to re-sign we need to reassess everything. Collectively, him AND I will decide to re-sign or not. And one thing is for sure, NO kids will be had untill we've got school and his first tour out of the way. I'm hoping my own career as a nurse will keep me busy. How often did you and your wife have to move? Do you have any kids? Were you able to seperate work from your home-life? How was yours (and hers) stress level? I could go on for hours.... (maybe i'll try the PM?)

I've read quotes on here like (and I'm paraphrasing) 'last time I checked spouses weren't issued with your sea bag' and 'girlfriends are like the gook you wipe out of your eyes in the morning.' I try not to let those quotes discourage my thoughts on becoming an officer's wife. Although, the other morning when I was rubbing my eyes.... Haha I digress.

Not sure what you meant by 'If the sub has a surface to dive ratio of less than one, then all the wives get paid...if you know what I mean.' Some of the jokes on here fly right over my head.

Thanks again, for getting personal on here. As a female, that's mostly what I take away from this forum.

I'll repeat my other question. Can I review the contract before Ryan's signs it???

InLuvWithRecruit · « **Reply #22 on:** Mar 31, 2009, 07:04 »

Quote from: NukeLDO on Mar 31, 2009, 06:19

Mike.

I just checked the navy nuke terms. Couldn't find K+? To me, as an R.N that means, potassium.

NukeLDO · « **Reply #23 on:** Mar 31, 2009, 07:20 »

Karma...look below your profile name.
I'll chime in with NavLI4....it ain't easy. 279 out of the first 365 days on board the boat at sea. And at the time...the only communication was a monthly "family gram." Limited to 40 words which the wife could send and would be received by the Radiomen, screened, and delivered. No communication back until we hit a port. Things are better now with e-mail though.
Lets see....missed daughter's first steps and words....luckily home for both conception and birth!

Missed Christmas and birthday parties, kids sporting events, etc. Who did the taxes, got the vehicles registered, got the repairman in when something broke?
It takes a special person to put up with the forced separation and long work hours....and it takes work. My wife's been married to the Navy for 22 years this May! She's bucking for a set of orders back to Charleston now, and I'd say she's earned them!

mlslstephens · « **Reply #24 on:** Mar 31, 2009, 07:30 »

Quote from: Amy Sue on Mar 31, 2009, 07:04

I just checked the navy nuke terms. Couldn't find K+? To me, as an R.N that means, potassium.

The

is how someone who is a Goldmember grants Karma to those posting on the forum. The opposite of

is smiting which takes away from your karma score.

Quote from: Amy Sue on Mar 31, 2009, 06:52

NaVLI4,

I'll repeat my other question. Can I review the contract before Ryan's signs it???

Not sure the answer to this question. I don't remember my wife reviewing any of my contracts, but there is a contract and I guess she could have...just not sure.

InLuvWithRecruit · « **Reply #25 on:** Mar 31, 2009, 07:39 »

Another success story! I love it! I get happy chill bumps.

NukeLDO,
You nailed it on the head. Those are special life events you can never get back. That is going to be hard to handle. At this point, it's beyond my understanding of how to deal and cope. I'm sure your wife is one tough cookie. One day, I hope to have the secret to navy life. Thanks for your story!

Sincerely,
Amy

Fermi2 · « **Reply #26 on:** Mar 31, 2009, 08:28 »

Amy,

My wife was a 20 year old away from home for the first time. 22 years later we're still happily married. She had it extra tough as I was severely injured during my last couple years in the Navy. She survived 3 Years as a Navy Nuke wife and 19 years as a commercial nuke wife. We live up in Chattanooga, if you need anything just ask!

Mike

InLuvWithRecruit · « **Reply #27 on:** Mar 31, 2009, 08:28 »

Quote from: Gamecock on Mar 31, 2009, 07:51

FYI...you will need the recruiter to get you a copy of any contract...once you go to DC for the interview, you are committed if the Admiral selects you.

Cheers,
GC

Beautiful family pic! Congrats on the healthy marriage, I can only hope to be so blessed.

I did not know he was was committed once he took the DC trip. I guess it makes sense, seeing how the VIP trip is to rule out any questions. Maybe I'm being overzealous, wanting to pre-read the contract. It's such a huge decision.... Thanks for the info.

I'm just going to throw this out there.... Poke fun please. I've watched too many movies. But SURELY one can NOT smoke on a sub???

DDMurray · « **Reply #28 on:** Mar 31, 2009, 08:58 »

Quote from: Amy Sue on Mar 31, 2009, 06:52

NaVLI4,
That was a breath of fresh air! I love reading marriage success stories. Congrats to you and your wife. I can only assume it's the ultimate test of dedication and trust. And oh, how I would love to pick your wife's brain It's my fear of the all the unknowns that fuel my doubts. Am I going to adjust to the lifestyle? Will I be able to deal with the time apart? Questions of that nature. Don't get me wrong, Ryan's safety is of my utmost concern. Aside from that, I have issues regarding my role as a Navy wife. I've told Ryan that I would commit 100% at this point, but when it comes time (5 years?) to re-sign we need to reassess everything. Collectively, him AND I will decide to re-sign or not. And one thing is for sure, NO kids will be had untill we've got school and his first tour out of the way. I'm hoping my own career as a nurse will keep me busy. How often did you and your wife have to move? Do you have any kids? Were you able to seperate work from your home-life? How was yours (and hers) stress level? I could go on for hours.... (maybe i'll try the PM?)

I've read quotes on here like (and I'm paraphrasing) 'last time I checked spouses weren't issued with your sea bag' and 'girlfriends are like the gook you wipe out of your eyes in the morning.' I try not to let those quotes discourage my thoughts on becoming an officer's wife. Although, the other morning when I was rubbing my eyes.... Haha I digress.

Not sure what you meant by 'If the sub has a surface to dive ratio of less than one, then all the wives get paid...if you know what I mean.' Some of the jokes on here fly right over my head.

Thanks again, for getting personal on here. As a female, that's mostly what I take away from this forum.

I'll repeat my other question. Can I review the contract before Ryan's signs it???

Not sure why you want to read the contract. My wife and I got married just prior to reporting to nuke school. She was 19 and had never been away from home. When I reported to my first boat, I left for two and half months a week after arriving in Charleston (Back when they had a base). I missed one of two births. I reported to a boat in Hawaii. A week later I left for five months. I just retired in December. We celebrate our 25th anniversary this October. I recommend you don't dwell on being a "Navy" wife. I'm enlisted, but some of the worst "Navy" wives I encountered were ones concerned with their husband's and the other wives' husbands rank. If you can't trust your husband to sign a contract to become an officer, what other things don't you think he's capable of doing? Good Luck!

DM

InLuvWithRecruit · « **Reply #29 on:** Mar 31, 2009, 09:30 »

DM,
Your input is noted. With all respect, I'm not 19 and I have been away from home. I have a respected career of my own, as a home health nurse for 5 years. I love my job and love being close to my family and have a great circle of friends. However, my fiance (not husband yet) has (almost) chosen a career that will completely change our lives. He's a smart man. I trust his judgement. He has complete control of this decision. Keep in mind, this is not the life I would choose for myself. I love him enough to support and stand by this life changing decision. I am certainly not concerned about rank or whatnot. I only emphasize 'officer' b/c I've read and been discouraged by some of the enlisted posts. I also emphasize 'navy' wife b/c it will be very different than a 'civilian' wife. On a better note, congrats to you and your wife for making it 25 years. That is a wonderful accomplishment in the navy or civilian world.
Sincerely,
Amy

NukeLDO · « **Reply #30 on:** Mar 31, 2009, 09:35 »

Quote from: Amy Sue on Mar 31, 2009, 08:28

I'm just going to throw this out there.... Poke fun please. I've watched too many movies. But SURELY one can NOT smoke on a sub???

Unfortunately, yes you can...designated smoking areas. Haven't run across a totally smoke-free boat yet...but Im sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong about that. The Coast Guard has some ships that are smoke free.

NukeLDO · « **Reply #31 on:** Mar 31, 2009, 10:25 »

Quote from: Amy Sue on Mar 31, 2009, 06:52

Not sure what you meant by 'If the sub has a surface to dive ratio of less than one, then all the wives get paid...if you know what I mean.' Some of the jokes on here fly right over my head.

Oh, and it means that hopefully, what goes down (sinks on purpose), comes back up (surfaces).

NukeNTO · « **Reply #32 on:** Mar 31, 2009, 11:28 »

Amy,

If you'd like to see the contract that your hubby will sign send me a PM and I'll send you a copy of all the docs. I escort guys/gals to interview pretty regularly so I'm very familiar with them. They're pretty straight forward. Just understand that he's committing to a total of eight years, five of which are active duty with the balance being IRR. He'll sign a DD4 and a NUPOC service agreement I can get you blank copies of both of these.

G-reg · « **Reply #33 on:** Mar 31, 2009, 11:47 »

I would not worry overmuch about his contract. There are certainly some significant things that are in every Navy Nuke's contract (such as guaranteed schools, the military's drug policies, etc.), but the contract really won't tell you very much about his future life in the military.

You won't find anything in his contract which sets his working hours or underway/inport ratio - these things will depend on what the Navy needs from him & everyone else in the service to keep our country free and safe. There won't be anything in his contract which tells you which ship/submarine (or even which homeport) he will be going to after he completes school - it could be a ship on its way into drydock where it will sit for 15 months, or it could be a ship that's headed overseas for the next six months on deployment. Your fiance will be allow to provide input on where he would like to be stationed, and the Navy will give consideration to his input, but ultimately the Navy gets the lion's share of the vote regarding where they send him - based on where the Navy's needs lie at the time.

Unfortunately, the truth is that your fiance will spend a lot of time at work (especially until he gets done with school and his first sea-going tour). I'm pretty far from qualified to hand out advice on personal relationships, but there are two things which fall outside of your relationship with your fiance that will contribute greatly to the success of your relationship:
#1 - Have a solid support group, wherever you go. Support can almost always be found with some of the other good Navy wives in the area. Having family that you can call or visit whenever needed (and they may be needed frequently) is another tremendous plus.
#2 - Regardless of where you get stationed, have an active life when your fiance/husband is at work or out to sea. Your career as a nurse should be able to fill this bill rather perfectly, I would think. Otherwise, volunteering and earnestly pursuing hobbies are good ways to keep the dead time from stacking up and dragging out.

As hard as it can be - as hard as it will be at times - there are many Navy marriage success stories. From what I saw over my own years of service, most of the successful ones had the two attributes above in common (in addition to starting out with a solid, well-founded relationship).

I wish you both the very best!

DDMurray · « **Reply #34 on:** Apr 01, 2009, 05:17 »

Quote from: Amy Sue on Mar 31, 2009, 09:30

DM,
Your input is noted.

Definitely an officer wife. I'm sorry if I came across derogatory or condescending. I was trying to give you another example of a success along with some of the crap my wife endured. I must say that I've known lots of young navy wives and fiances. You are the first to want to review the contract. I think I understand why. Congratulations on your personal success. G-reg's advice is spot on.

Derek

InLuvWithRecruit · « **Reply #35 on:** Apr 01, 2009, 08:19 »

Quote from: G-reg on Mar 31, 2009, 11:47

I'm pretty far from qualified to hand out advice on personal relationships, but there are two things which fall outside of your relationship with your fiance that will contribute greatly to the success of your relationship:
#1 - Have a solid support group, wherever you go. Support can almost always be found with some of the other good Navy wives in the area. Having family that you can call or visit whenever needed (and they may be needed frequently) is another tremendous plus.
#2 - Regardless of where you get stationed, have an active life when your fiance/husband is at work or out to sea. Your career as a nurse should be able to fill this bill rather perfectly, I would think. Otherwise, volunteering and earnestly pursuing hobbies are good ways to keep the dead time from stacking up and dragging out.

G-reg,

I'd say you are qualified

That is excellent advice. Thanks for taking the time.

As for the contract, (this is going to sound horrible), I am not married to Ryan yet. I would like to know what he is signing up for. I/we still have options. And yes, I would like to read the fine print. I realize, I will still be left with many unknown variables. I'm trying to prepare myself. I am somewhat of a freespirit and love my carefree and fun life. This is so far from where I pictured our life going.... I digress.

We plan to get with Ryan's recruiter regarding the contract.

Quote from: DDMurray on Apr 01, 2009, 05:17

Definitely an officer wife. I'm sorry if I came across derogatory or condescending. I was trying to give you another example of a success along with some of the crap my wife endured. I must say that I've known lots of young navy wives and fiances. You are the first to want to review the contract. I think I understand why. Congratulations on your personal success. G-reg's advice is spot on.

Derek

DM,
Thanks for all your posts regarding my situation. You too have been helpful. I still want to read the contract though, haha.

Sincerely,
Amy

NukeNTO · « **Reply #36 on:** Apr 01, 2009, 09:44 »

Amy,
You've got mail.

InLuvWithRecruit · « **Reply #37 on:** Apr 01, 2009, 08:20 »

If anyone was wondering, I got my hands on the contracts. Ryan and I read them thouroughly. I, not surprisingly, feel even more educated in regards to his potential Navy career. NukeNTO, thanks again! I will say, some of the wording was quite unsettling. In one clause, in about 15 words or less, pretty much says after he serves his active and inactive duty he still may NOT be up for discharge. I've heard that stop loss can be a booger. I'm trying not to get too hung up on that though. Other interesting things regarding NUPOC, he must maintain a 'C' average. Failing a class is not an option. A little added pressure, but he's ready and willing. Sounds like he'll be active duty while finishing his ME degree. Would it be possible for the Navy to call him up and expect him to report somewhere? I mean, he hasn't been through boot camp or anything. Also, the were no parameters listed about what would disqualify his physically for an officer, yet still qualify his as enlisted. Under what circumstances? Thanks to the contracts, we now have a new list of questions to take to his VIP trip. I say we, but as you all know, I can't go. Hmmm I can only imagine the uproar about bringing a girlfriend/fiance to ask questions on a recruiting trip. That's funny...riiiiiiight?

Gamecock · « **Reply #38 on:** Apr 01, 2009, 08:25 »

Quote from: Amy Sue on Apr 01, 2009, 08:20

If anyone was wondering, I got my hands on the contracts. Ryan and I read them thouroughly. I, not surprisingly, feel even more educated in regards to his potential Navy career. NukeNTO, thanks again! I will say, some of the wording was quite unsettling. In one clause, in about 15 words or less, pretty much says after he serves his active and inactive duty he still may NOT be up for discharge. I've heard that stop loss can be a booger. I'm trying not to get too hung up on that though. Other interesting things regarding NUPOC, he must maintain a 'C' average. Failing a class is not an option. A little added pressure, but he's ready and willing. Sounds like he'll be active duty while finishing his ME degree. Would it be possible for the Navy to call him up and expect him to report somewhere? I mean, he hasn't been through boot camp or anything. Also, the were no parameters listed about what would disqualify his physically for an officer, yet still qualify his as enlisted. Under what circumstances? Thanks to the contacts, we now have a new list of questions to take to his VIP trip. I say we, but as you all know, I can't go. Hmmm I can only imagine the uproar about bringing a girlfriend/fiance to ask questions on a recruiting trip. That's funny...riiiiiiight?

1. Navy does not do Stop-Loss....that is an Army thing
2. If your fiance gets into NUPOC, graduates from college, but is found unfit for commissioning as an Unrestricted Line Officer, then he will either be commissioned in a restricted line community or be completely unfit for any duty. I can think of no circumstances where he would be forced to go enlisted if he upholds his end of the NUPOC contract.
3. He will not be "Called up" to do anything other then take the Physical Readiness Test while he is a NUPOC.

InLuvWithRecruit · « **Reply #39 on:** Apr 01, 2009, 08:31 »

Quote from: Gamecock on Apr 01, 2009, 08:25

1. Navy does not do Stop-Loss....that is an Army thing
2. If your fiance gets into NUPOC, graduates from college, but is found unfit for commissioning as an Unrestricted Line Officer, then he will either be commissioned in a restricted line community or be completely unfit for any duty. I can think of no circumstances where he would be forced to go enlisted if he upholds his end of the NUPOC contract.

That's good to know. The stop loss reference was made in the general contract.

Gamecock · « **Reply #40 on:** Apr 01, 2009, 08:41 »

Quote from: Amy Sue on Apr 01, 2009, 08:31

That's good to know. The stop loss reference was made in the general contract.

We are talking semantics here. The contract says the Navy can Stop-loss. I'm here to tell you that I have never seen or heard of it happening to anyone in the navy in my 19 years of service. I have heard of retirement requests being turned down temporarily (because right now we are critically undermanned at the senior officer level in some communities), but you guys have 20+ years before you need to worry about that.

Cheers,
GC

NukeNTO · « **Reply #41 on:** Apr 01, 2009, 09:13 »

Yeah, like everyone has said stop-loss hasn't been an issue in the Navy and I certainly wouldn't expect it to become one. Regarding the "C" thing in the service agreement. The intent is that we're now paying him to go to school, so at least in theory he should be able to do as well or better than before we were paying him. What we're really concerned with is that he doesn't get any D's or F's. He's generally not going to get kicked out for one or two bad grades (even F's) but if it starts to look like a trend then it's a possibility.

NUKECOMER101 · « **Reply #42 on:** Apr 01, 2009, 10:23 »

I have not had time to get on here lately because of school. However, I see my Lady has been quite the busy bee with questions. I am beginning to feel that all of our questions have been answered. All of your responses have helped us both in feeling confident in this decision, and we have made some good contacts in the process. I am extremely excited about this program. When this semester finishes up, I am going to hit the NUPOC study guide hard. I don't want anything holding me back from getting in. I feel like this is a huge opportunity that I cant pass up. Amy may not admit it but I think she is beginning to get excited too

. All the happy stories with marriages making it through the Navy is good to hear as well. Again, we can not thank you guys enough for the input and stories.

Ryan

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