Wind Power Without The Mills

[Marlin]

Bird safe, lower cost, scalable, and no moving parts. This could make wind power more viable for personal use and the grid.

Wind Power Without The Mills

http://www.forbes.com/sites/billtucker/2015/05/07/wind-power-without-the-mills/?ss=energy

[Rerun]

Do you understand how the grid works ?

[Marlin]

Do you understand how the grid works ?

Can you ever be forward looking and positive   Yes I understand the grid and have read many articles on the subject by people far more knowledgeable than you. Your terse intolerant posts get old.

Postings on the future of the grid have been posted and discussed in various threads here on Nukeworker. It may not fit now but in the future residences, companies, municipalities may very well be part of the power supply on the grid with advances in power generation and storage. Austin Texas and Burlington Vermont are 100% sustainable power, are they on the grid why yes they are and so are residential homes that can sell back power they produce over their own consumption that is fed back to the grid. As advances are made the grid will change.

[HydroDave63]

1. The technology looks pretty freakin' cool! However, each generator will be oodles more expensive than current bird shredders wind turbines manufactured by friends of Barack n Buffett major multi-national corporations using proven technology that banks will actually finance. The market power of the current players will be the major impediment to this ever going commercial.

2. No muni is 100% renewable, no matter how many solar parks, shares of wind farms, etc that they own. They don't have 12 hours of 100% storage when the sun is down, wind blows at strengths sufficient for generation about 1200 hours a year unless we are talking Gillette, Wyoming, so the rest of the hours of the year the trons come from somewhere else. By not factually rebutting the enviro clams NOT supported by the actual laws of physics in this time-space continuum, we are defacto letting the hucksters have their way.

3. Having said that, I do support rooftop solar. It is the friendliest form of distributed generation. When we talk about a 'changing grid', just be careful what we wish for, or we might just get it. Rooftop solar on residential makes sense because the area is sufficient to power the house at today's panel efficiency. 20 story office building or factory(do we still have any in the US?) with large inductive load and swinging power factor, not so much. When the big utilities stop making major 'grid' improvements, large new generation projects *cough* like Gen IV reactors *cough* won't be built due to inability to get to market. For more details, I'll need a charge code

[Rerun]

So how do you propose to run large pumps? Steel mills, ? Large AC units?

[Marlin]

So how do you propose to run large pumps? Steel mills, ? Large AC units?

Where did I say that base line loads were not required? I believe that it will probably reduce the need for some of the baseline. I also suspect you would have supported Edison's DC distribution over Tesla's AC because Edison was the status quo of his day.

[Marlin]

1. The technology looks pretty freakin' cool! However, each generator will be oodles more expensive than current bird shredders wind turbines manufactured by friends of Barack n Buffett major multi-national corporations using proven technology that banks will actually finance. The market power of the current players will be the major impediment to this ever going commercial.

Cheaper to build and maintain. But not on the market until next year of so.

2. No muni is 100% renewable, no matter how many solar parks, shares of wind farms, etc that they own. They don't have 12 hours of 100% storage when the sun is down, wind blows at strengths sufficient for generation about 1200 hours a year unless we are talking Gillette, Wyoming, so the rest of the hours of the year the trons come from somewhere else. By not factually rebutting the enviro clams NOT supported by the actual laws of physics in this time-space continuum, we are defacto letting the hucksters have their way.

I think I said sustainable, new batteries, and super capacitors in the future along with hydro reservoirs will be able to balance the grid with some base line production. The gas turbines used now are a little expensive in comparison. If you do a search you will find that Burlington and Austin both claim to be 100% sustainable.

3. Having said that, I do support rooftop solar. It is the friendliest form of distributed generation. When we talk about a 'changing grid', just be careful what we wish for, or we might just get it. Rooftop solar on residential makes sense because the area is sufficient to power the house at today's panel efficiency. 20 story office building or factory(do we still have any in the US?) with large inductive load and swinging power factor, not so much. When the big utilities stop making major 'grid' improvements, large new generation projects *cough* like Gen IV reactors *cough* won't be built due to inability to get to market. For more details, I'll need a charge code

Agree like computers solar cells have a regular declining cost per time that will make them affordable for the common man possibly even incorporating them into roof tiles. There are already clear windows that produce power but I think they are a ways from cost effective. There are potential advances in transmission lines as well that will reduce line losses changing the nature of the grid in the near future as well (OK maybe future not near future but who knows).

[HydroDave63]

So how do you propose to run large pumps? Steel mills, ? Large AC units?

I don't see a NERC cert over there, shipwreck 

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