Nuclear Power Is 'On Its Back,' Former CIA Director Says

[GLW]

You mean with reality The regulation and monitors are for the control of fissile material i.e. proliferation.

okay, so once again, for those out there who read the forums but don't know,...

explain how "the radiation portals at all of the plants at the security access" cannot (my words) "be dispensed with", vis a vis fissile materials and proliferation,...

explain,..with regulation, not supposition,...

[Marlin]

okay, so once again, for those out there who read the forums but don't know,...

explain how "the radiation portals at all of the plants at the security access" cannot (my words) "be dispensed with", vis a vis fissile materials and proliferation,...

You are serious right The portals at the security access points are there for Safeguards control of fissile material as well as radiological controls you know the stuff bombs can be made from.

From the NRC site you don't seem to think is applicable here.


The NRC's domestic safeguards program is aimed at ensuring that special nuclear material within the United States is not stolen or otherwise diverted from civilian facilities for possible use in clandestine fissile explosives and does not pose an unreasonable risk owing to radiological sabotage. The users of the special nuclear and certain quantities of byproduct material apply safeguards to protect against sabotage, theft, and diversion, including
Physical protection of facilities and/or special nuclear material at both fixed sites and during transportation and Material control and accounting for special nuclear material.
In order to determine how much physical protection is enough, the NRC has a threat assessment program to maintain awareness of the capabilities of potential adversaries and threats to facilities, material, and activities.



Whether it is really needed can be debated but that we do control fissile material for the purposes of non-proliferation is what the salient point is and we do it at commercial and DOE sites.


 

[GLW]

You are serious right The portals at the security access points are there for Safeguards control of fissile material as well as radiological controls you know the stuff bombs can be made from.

From the NRC site you don't seem to think is applicable here.


The NRC's domestic safeguards program is aimed at ensuring that special nuclear material within the United States is not stolen or otherwise diverted from civilian facilities for possible use in clandestine fissile explosives and does not pose an unreasonable risk owing to radiological sabotage. The users of the special nuclear and certain quantities of byproduct material apply safeguards to protect against sabotage, theft, and diversion, including
Physical protection of facilities and/or special nuclear material at both fixed sites and during transportation and Material control and accounting for special nuclear material.
In order to determine how much physical protection is enough, the NRC has a threat assessment program to maintain awareness of the capabilities of potential adversaries and threats to facilities, material, and activities.



Whether it is really needed can be debated but that we do control fissile material for the purposes of non-proliferation is what the salient point is and we do it at commercial and DOE sites.


 

I am serious,...

you keep posting NRC stuff, but do not show which NRC regs require which indispensable portal monitors for the purpose of controlling fissile material proliferation (all your words),....

last time I knew,....

DOE does not check with NRC concerning SNM,...

DOE does not operate commercial nukes,...

this thread is about commercial nukes,...

[Marlin]

I am serious,...

you keep posting NRC stuff, but do not show which NRC regs require which indispensable portal monitors for the purpose of controlling fissile material proliferation (all your words),....

last time I knew,....

DOE does not check with NRC concerning SNM,...

DOE does not operate commercial nukes,...

this thread is about commercial nukes,...

   Are you going to continue to alter your questions? I cited NRC because that was the primary focus but it does not matter if it is NRC or DOE both control SNM for non-proliferation. From the original article that discussed advancing commercial nuclear power technology to keep the US relevant in nuclear power and non proliferation to confirmation that our plants do indeed monitor and control SNM for that purpose. Misdirection does not alter those facts.




Ten commandments of logic/debate

1)Thou shall not attack the persons character, but the argument. (Ad Hominem)

2)Thou shall not misrepresent or exaggerate a person’s argument in order to make them easier to attack. (Straw man fallacy)

3)Thou shall not use small numbers to represent the whole. (Hasty generalization)

4)Thou shall not argue thy position assuming one of the premises is true.  (Begging the question)

5)Thou shall not claim that because something occurred before, it must be the cause. (Post Hoc/False cause)

6)Thou shall not reduce the argument down to two possibilities. (False dichotomy)

7)Thou shall not argue that because of our ignorance, claim must be true or false. (Ad ignoratrum)

8)Thou shall not lay the burden of proof onto him that is questioning the claim. (Burden of proof reversal)

9)Thou shall not assume “this” follows “that” when it has no logical connection. (Non sequitur)

10)Thou shall not claim that because a premise is popular it must be true. (Bandwagon fallacy)

[GLW]

   Are you going to continue to alter your questions?

I keep asking the same question,...


you cannot answer it,...


you change direction on every response,...


to wit,...


you brought in the DOE,...


the article is about commercial nukes, business viability, and a political position which postultates that without an urgent increase in American commercial nuclear capability then the USA will lose it's "voice" at the table for non-proliferation,...


and then, those postulating the said political narrative need 11.5 billion dollars over a period of 25 years to devise strategies to implement this "urgent need",...


my position is simple:


WW2 was an urgent need,...


WW2 was dealt with in 3 years and 9 months,...


anybody trying to pitch for 11.5 billion dollars for 25 years is not rectifying an "urgent need" for the nation,...


they are lining their pocket with billable hours for their retirement,...


the premise for that 11.5 billion is a strawman arguement,...


after all that,...


Mr. Helms brought in the position of portal monitors at security access being indispensable for control of fissile materials to prevent proliferation,...


in my experience,...


IF the portal monitor at the security access at a commercial nuclear power plant is the warning to the security team that a nukeworker has tried to sneak a bunch of fissile material off-site in his lunchbox for delivery to a bunch of no good nuclear proliferators THEN,...


that commercial nuke has already failed,...

[Marlin]

I keep asking the same question,...


you cannot answer it,...


you change direction on every response,...


to wit,...


you brought in the DOE,...


the article is about commercial nukes, business viability, and a political position which postultates that without an urgent increase in American commercial nuclear capability then the USA will lose it's "voice" at the table for non-proliferation,...


and then, those postulating the said political narrative need 11.5 billion dollars over a period of 25 years to devise strategies to implement this "urgent need",...


my position is simple:


WW2 was an urgent need,...


WW2 was dealt with in 3 years and 9 months,...


anybody trying to pitch for 11.5 billion dollars for 25 years is not rectifying an "urgent need" for the nation,...


they are lining their pocket with billable hours for their retirement,...


the premise for that 11.5 billion is a strawman arguement,...


after all that,...


Mr. Helms brought in the position of portal monitors at security access being indispensable for control of fissile materials to prevent proliferation,...


in my experience,...


IF the portal monitor at the security access at a commercial nuclear power plant is the warning to the security team that a nukeworker has tried to sneak a bunch of fissile material off-site in his lunchbox for delivery to a bunch of no good nuclear proliferators THEN,...


that commercial nuke has already failed,...

I was being facetious, the point being that they are needed. Keep up please. The original article states that we need to maintain nuclear power to stay in the game for non proliferation. You posted.

there's no correlation between commercial nukes and proliferation,...

Then I posted:

Really!!! I guess the radiation portals at all of the plants at the security access can be dispensed with then.

https://www.nrc.gov/security/domestic.html

Since they are there for SNM or in other words for non proliferation to keep fissile material out of the wrong hands.   


 

[GLW]

[Marlin]

"Accuse the other side of that which you are guilty" Source unclear it keeps getting passed around 

[SloGlo]

aye wish eye had won of those sines for my dinner table wit three teenagers!