small reactors

[SloGlo]

https://www.greenbiz.com/article/nuclear-industry-making-big-bet-small-power-plants

[TVA]

Wont happen

[Marlin]

Wont happen

   I would refute this with a citation but I suspect you would not read it. I don't think I need to post any as I have posted many news articles that refute your dogmatic anti-nuclear posts. I just posted a new one today not specifically about SMRs but on the rebounded interest in nuclear and the increased number of nuclear degrees being awarded. Incidentally a couple of weekends ago the Director of Engineering at ORNL stopped by our SubVets booth at a local festival as he was a submariner himself. The conversation turned to nuclear specifically about the SMR to be built at the Clinch River site here in Oak Ridge. His response was that the NuScale SMR licensed for Idaho would be built first but the SMR for Oak Ridge is still in the works.

[TVA]

I actually read everything posted.
Please show me the utility that is investing in an SMR license?
Not this esoteric dreaming stuff

[Ksheed]

I actually read everything posted.
Please show me the utility that is investing in an SMR license?
Not this esoteric dreaming stuff

Utah Associated Municipal Power Systems

[Marlin]

I actually read everything posted.
Please show me the utility that is investing in an SMR license?
Not this esoteric dreaming stuff

Seriously you are demanding citations 


I don't expect innovation (dreaming) from an operator but I do from scientists and entrepreneurial movers and shakers.

[SloGlo]

I actually read everything posted.
Please show me the utility that is investing in an SMR license?
Not this esoteric dreaming stuff

lotsa government interest laying groundwork for utilities when s.m.r. designs get licensed.

https://www.energy.gov/ne/commercialization


https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CHRG-112shrg68432/html/CHRG-112shrg68432.htm

[GLW]

I actually read everything posted.
Please show me the utility that is investing in an SMR license?
Not this esoteric dreaming stuff

lotsa government interest laying groundwork for utilities when s.m.r. designs get licensed.

https://www.energy.gov/ne/commercialization


https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CHRG-112shrg68432/html/CHRG-112shrg68432.htm

yeah, I read it too,...

natural gas rules,...

everything else is on government crutches, whether it be emerging technology or legacy technology,...

the crutches need politics and/or political will,...

CNN will telecast a bunch of nuke scared high schoolers and middle schoolers crying tears, real tears by gawd, tears of fear and anxiety that we are saddling them with a nuclear nightmare and destroying the chances for their generation to even live,....

there is no political will for SMR power reactors,...

the universities and their affiliated PhD dominated associates will keep on getting hundreds of millions of research dollars,....

from you,....

because that's "good" nuclear stuff,...

because PhDs and teachers are good,...

commercial SMRs licensed on privately held property feeding the PJM entity (or the grid if you prefer) are not likely in your lifetime,...

very not likely,....


oh yeah, almost forgot,...


(sic) 4 beercourt,...

[Marlin]

natural gas rules,...

For now market forces with increased overseas use could change that.

everything else is on government crutches, whether it be emerging technology or legacy technology,...

Yes, solar and wind would not exist without the government dole. Nuclear got it's start with a Navy built reactor as proof of concept on the public dime.

the crutches need politics and/or political will,...

there is no political will for SMR power reactors,...

Poly (many) tics (blood sucking insect)... they bend to the wind and public opinion is bending toward nuclear.

the universities and their affiliated PhD dominated associates will keep on getting hundreds of millions of research dollars,....

from you,....

because that's "good" nuclear stuff,...

because PhDs and teachers are good,...

That has been the way of things but we have benefited from this, pure science and cutting edge practical science need this boost into the marketplace. Walk away designs would seem to be "good nuclear" so would plug and play once the kinks are worked out for factory floor SMRs.

commercial SMRs licensed on privately held property feeding the PJM entity (or the grid if you prefer) are not likely in your lifetime,...

very not likely,....

Nope not likely but the Wright brothers probably did not see us on the moon a short 60 years later.

Perspective:

"An optimist will tell you the glass is half-full; the pessimist, half-empty; and the engineer will tell you the glass is twice the size it needs to be"

As a spectator in this I lean half full. 

[SloGlo]

Perspective:

"An optimist will tell you the glass is half-full; the pessimist, half-empty; and the engineer will tell you the glass is twice the size it needs to be"

As a spectator in this I lean half full. 

butt a glass witch is double the kneaded volume is an investment waste.😉

[Marlin]

Poly (many) tics (blood sucking insect)... they bend to the wind and public opinion is bending toward nuclear.

How serendipitous this was one of today's political cartoons

[GLW]

For now market forces with increased overseas use could change that.....

shoulda, woulda, coulda, hasn't happened, and isn't it,...

what is it is natural gas rules,...

Yes, solar and wind would not exist without the government dole. Nuclear got it's start with a Navy built reactor as proof of concept on the public dime.

solar and wind and geothermal and nuclear and (insert your favorite emerging/legacy technology) cannot compete without subsidy,...

Poly (many) tics (blood sucking insect)... they bend to the wind and public opinion is bending toward nuclear.

only here at nukeworker.com,...


my grandchildren are coloring posters with nuke plants and mushroom clouds as part of a grade school display!!!!!


please, look around ya, we ain't popular pal!!!!!

That has been the way of things but we have benefited from this, pure science and cutting edge practical science need this boost into the marketplace. Walk away designs would seem to be "good nuclear" so would plug and play once the kinks are worked out for factory floor SMRs.

hmmmmmm,...


CP-5 went critical in 1942, there were 15 commercial nukes either on the grid or under construction 20 years later,...


NuScale (as an example) has been in "business" for 11 years already as a company,...


not one reactor built yet, not one piece of heavy metal machined, not projected to be on the grid with anything before 2026,...


that would be 19 years,...


not to mention that government funding for the P of P started in 2000,...


that would be 26 years!!!!!


and these guys are using super computers versus slide rules!!!!


this isn't pure science and cutting edge practical science,...


this is PhDs bankrolling a company, golden parachutes and fat 401ks on unicorns and rainbows and DOE handouts pal,...

Nope not likely but the Wright brothers probably did not see us on the moon a short 60 years later.

too easy, the Wright Brothers were notorious skeptics of the "not invented here" variety,...

Perspective:

"An optimist will tell you the glass is half-full; the pessimist, half-empty; and the engineer will tell you the glass is twice the size it needs to be"

As a spectator in this I lean half full. 

nah, you're a buggy whipper,...


you want to build the best and prettiest thing that scant few people want to buy,...


not that there's anything wrong with that,...

[GLW]

OBTW -


the thread topic is small reactors,....


small reactors have been around a lot longer than large reactors,...


militarily and for niche applications they're a boon to many endeavours,...


commercially?!?!?!?


not so much,...

[Marlin]

OBTW -


the thread topic is small reactors,....


small reactors have been around a lot longer than large reactors,...


militarily and for niche applications they're a boon to many endeavours,...


commercially?!?!?!?


not so much,...

Small Modular Reactors despite the title of the thread that is what the article was about.

[Marlin]

shoulda, woulda, coulda, hasn't happened, and isn't it,...

what is it is natural gas rules,...

solar and wind and geothermal and nuclear and (insert your favorite emerging/legacy technology) cannot compete without subsidy,...


only here at nukeworker.com,...


my grandchildren are coloring posters with nuke plants and mushroom clouds as part of a grade school display!!!!!


please, look around ya, we ain't popular pal!!!!!




hmmmmmm,...


CP-5 went critical in 1942, there were 15 commercial nukes either on the grid or under construction 20 years later,...


NuScale (as an example) has been in "business" for 11 years already as a company,...


not one reactor built yet, not one piece of heavy metal machined, not projected to be on the grid with anything before 2026,...


that would be 19 years,...


not to mention that government funding for the P of P started in 2000,...


that would be 26 years!!!!!


and these guys are using super computers versus slide rules!!!!


this isn't pure science and cutting edge practical science,...


this is PhDs bankrolling a company, golden parachutes and fat 401ks on unicorns and rainbows and DOE handouts pal,...



too easy, the Wright Brothers were notorious skeptics of the "not invented here" variety,...



nah, you're a buggy whipper,...


you want to build the best and prettiest thing that scant few people want to buy,...


not that there's anything wrong with that,...

You should not be surprised that I disagree with virtually all of your responses and find a number of them misdirection and non-sequitur. 

[GLW]

You should not be surprised that I disagree with virtually all of your responses and find a number of them misdirection and non-sequitur. 

I would direct your attention to this gem from over 6 years ago:

https://www.nukeworker.com/forum/index.php/topic,34342.msg159254.html#msg159254

I'm realistic, you're dreaming,....

....the universities and their affiliated PhD dominated associates will keep on getting hundreds of millions of research dollars,....

from you,....

because that's "good" nuclear stuff,...

because PhDs and teachers are good,...

commercial SMRs licensed on privately held property feeding the PJM entity (or the grid if you prefer) are not likely in your lifetime,...

very not likely,....

[Marlin]

I would direct your attention to this gem from over 6 years ago:

https://www.nukeworker.com/forum/index.php/topic,34342.msg159254.html#msg159254

I'm realistic, you're dreaming,....

From Nukeworker today

Canada advances four SMR designs towards demo reactor


https://analysis.nuclearenergyinsider.com/canada-advances-four-smr-designs-towards-demo-reactor-finland-epr-start-delayed?utm_campaign=NEI%2020JUN18%20Newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_source=Eloqua&elqTrackId=6076d02173a14766bb87a03963a1cfa3&elq=3140b00f5e414ac2bd574a8b38b9ae91&elqaid=37257&elqat=1&elqCampaignId=19759

From the OP article:


"Efforts to build the nation's first "advanced small modular reactor" (SMR) in Idaho are on track for it to become operational by the mid-2020s. The project took a crucial step forward when the company behind it, NuScale, secured an important security certification from the Nuclear Regulatory Commission."

[GLW]

From Nukeworker today


From the OP article:


"Efforts to build the nation's first "advanced small modular reactor" (SMR) in Idaho are on track for it to become operational by the mid-2020s. The project took a crucial step forward when the company behind it, NuScale, secured an important security certification from the Nuclear Regulatory Commission."

oh my goodness, I misdirect?!?!?!?!

c'mon Marlin,....

my position is that after 26 years there might be an SMR on federal land,...

versus the building time lines of two generations ago we are nowhere near a renaissance of nuke sites or jobs in our lifetime,....

if ever,....

and really pal, CANADA?!?!?!?!?!?!

how is a Canada SMR demo project viability study of any consequence to the vast majority of USA denizens of NW.com?!?!?!












yep, I know renaissance always gets me on spell check,....

[GLW]

OBTW - as of March 2018, this carbon free SMR project of the government-public benefit corporation type is seriously in doubt,....

market forces, DOE dithering, etc.,....

https://www.ladailypost.com/content/board-public-utilities-and-county-council-consider-advancing-carbon-free-power-project

[SloGlo]

my grandchildren are coloring posters with nuke plants and mushroom clouds as part of a grade school display!!!!!


please, look around ya, we ain't popular pal!!!!!

whale, linked inn is generating lotsa pro nuke plant postings.

NuScale (as an example) has been in "business" for 11 years already as a company,...


not one reactor built yet, not one piece of heavy metal machined, not projected to be on the grid with anything before 2026,...

can sum won build a reactor in the u.s.a. without n.r.c. certification and licensing? may bee the government is slower inn the currant millennium as opposed too the last millennium. 🙄

you're a buggy whipper,...

now we're getting a bit kinky. 😘

[GLW]

OBTW - the proposed project (UAMPS-NuScale-INL) is still one year away from negotiating water rights,....

another off-ramp for the potential customers,....paying customers,....

[Marlin]

oh my goodness, I misdirect?!?!?!?!

Why yes, yes you do.   





The OP was about SMRs you say it is a pipe dream but there are several recent articles that seem to show otherwise.

and really pal, CANADA?!?!?!?!?!?!

are you a Canuckaphobe

[GLW]

Why yes, yes you do.   





The OP was about SMRs you say it is a pipe dream but there are several recent articles that seem to show otherwise.



are you a Canuckaphobe

well, maybe, but only a little,....

I prefer to categorize it as "broadened perspective projection",....

[TVA]

Will never happen

[GLW]

Will never happen

aka - laconic,...