Pointed questions for nuclear enthusiasts and careerists

[bismuth-210]

so without PAA there would be no nuclear power generating plants in the USA because nobody would underwrite them

again, how is this not a de-facto subsidy ??

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subsidy

[plutone]

@Marlin:

I appreciate the answer to the Price-Anderson insurance question. I do not wish to make any mis-statements of fact.

However I have more questions, as usual. The link you posted states that payouts at TMI were for litigation and some business interuptions and totalled about $71 million. Meanwhile the 11 year partial cleanup cost $1 billion - who paid for that? (I'm asking - maybe it was the utility ie: ratepayers)

It is also interesting that the same link declares that the insurance overlimit coverage is in fact a subsidy worth about $3.05 billion per year in 1991 dollars, as determined by the DOE's Energy Information Administration.

The fact is that all global catastrophic accidents have been and will be paid for by taxpayers.

[caerbannog]

what cause do you speak of ?

i am a medical xray student .

i also have a bachelor of science.

what's your highest level of education ?

Go get yourself a Reactor Operator license.  Your BS is a cakewalk compared to that.

[RDTroja]

@Marlin:

I appreciate the answer to the Price-Anderson insurance question. I do not wish to make any mis-statements of fact.

However I have more questions, as usual. The link you posted states that payouts at TMI were for litigation and some business interuptions and totalled about $71 million. Meanwhile the 11 year partial cleanup cost $1 billion - who paid for that? (I'm asking - maybe it was the utility ie: ratepayers)

It is also interesting that the same link declares that the insurance overlimit coverage is in fact a subsidy worth about $3.05 billion per year in 1991 dollars, as determined by the DOE's Energy Information Administration.

The fact is that all global catastrophic accidents have been and will be paid for by taxpayers.

The real fact is that EVERYTHING is paid for by taxpayers, consumers and ratepayers -- synonyms for the same people. The reason is that is where all the money comes from, whether it is a business or the government.

[nukecheese]

My titles have included:

Engineering Watch Supervisor
Leading Engineering Laboratory Technician
Engineering Technician
Radiation Protection Technician/Supervisor/Engineer
Safety Analyst
Nuclear Criticality Safety Specialist
Hazardous waste coordinator/specialist
Superintendent
Senior Waste characterization Engineer

All at nuclear facitilities over the last 38 years.

Did I mention that I certified as an EMT and have passed the exam for the National Registry of  Radiological Protection Technologists?

So, inother words, you can't keep a job.

[RealityCheck]

You have to smile at that one...

You guys are missing the point...it's not even nuclear.  Your immersion in nuclear power technology, with no other exposure (no pun intended) outside the necessarily myopic nuclear world, has limited your thinking.

We will continue to have significant events of change in our world at an increasing rate.  The world is becoming more and more complex. Humans are not equipped to deal with the current world that we live in and it is only going to get better.  Nuclear just happens to currently be at the tip of the spear.

Rest assured: the little box that you currently reside in is clearly labeled "Nuclear" but the focus of the entire world can and will change suddenly overnight when the next significant event of change occurs and no one has a clue what the label on that little box will read.  It used to say twin towers and yomamma (or was it Osama).  If you look closely, the little letters Fukushima are currently underneath Nuclear.

Nuclear will always be one of those technologies that humans attempt to wrestle to the ground and create constructs around to give the illusion of control.  I am neither pro or anti nuke, but I am clearly pro human.

I really liked the "you can't keep a job" line

[techtoolong]

I do too. Anyone with a clue knows that , that particular list of jobs is a acceptable career path in a nuclear power plant.

[namlive]

To answer your one question Plutone, Units 5/6 will not run again. TEPCO made that announcement weeks back. They will be using those units to store millions of gallons of highly radioactive water that will make dose rates prohibitive. Recent robots have taken dose rates (did not specify location- RB?) and the rates were too high to allow human entry. Turnaround rates are 10R/hr. They announced it will take an additional 6-9 months to get the situation under control. They have what we would call mrad smearable (10 E 9 dpm)  20 miles away from the site. This residential area is uninhabitable until we get a few more showers, but hey, it is not as bad as crashing into the sun!

Thanks Roger for the stewart/steward mix up. There is only a spell check button and not a stupid check. BTW the goth look is gone. My nephew has my "junk jewelry" (it looks cooler on him). My hair is gone too, and all but one of my piercings have grown over. (I ripped one really bad.) All the people I work with have never seen me with long hair, ear ring, or my standard Satan worshipping gear. In fact they wouldn't even believe it. I still have the coat to howl at full moons at Sabatat, just force of habit. Ave Satanis.

[radbrat]

So, inother words, you can't keep a job.

Isnt that Fluffy Bunny's line?

[Fluffy Bunny]

Isnt that Fluffy Bunny's line?

I would never...

Here is proof.

TBH, I wish I had said it first.

[Dave Warren]

No government money is involved unless a limit is exceeded, until then the insurance pool that is funded by the utilities pays all liabilities.

Wrong again, all payouts have come from the utilities insurance pools to date, including TMI. In 1957 no private insurance company would underwrite a nuclear power plant fully so the government passed the PAA to limit liabilities. No tax payer money has been used to supplement the commerial nuclear plant insurance pool.



http://www.eoearth.org/article/Price-Anderson_Act_of_1957%2C_United_States

Let me be the voice of reason like always....The Price Anderson Amendment Act is known as PAAA, not PAA.
The PAA is the Professional Anglers Association, which is a joke just saying it.

[RAD-GHOST]

Who gets the + karma for cleaning the thread?    

Damn Dave, you have another TITLE??

I seen Marlins list, what's your look like...Besides Nuclear God.......

RG!

[RAD-GHOST]

Marlin...whacked you with some + Karma for the clean up effort!

Let's add some clarification to the pointed question venue.  Obviously the incident in Japan drew the focus of some anti-nuclear fans.  Several that joined this site in the last two months claim a non-bias perspective on the nuclear topic, but fail to read their own writings!  As with all Anti-Nuclear groups, they know the truth and we are nothing more than uneducated pawns driven purely by economics!  Our facts are fiction and their fiction becomes fact!  They also fail to realize that we appreciate their views, but no matter how many ways, or how many times, you offer inaccurate or false information we're not going to buy it!

Realitycheck,

I, for one, appreciate the humor of your expediential doomsday perspective!

Do you own a Ron White CD? 

Have a Great Day....RG!

[Marlin]

Let me be the voice of reason like always....The Price Anderson Amendment Act is known as PAAA, not PAA.
The PAA is the Professional Anglers Association, which is a joke just saying it.

The 1988 Price-Anderson Amendments Act (PAAA) is an amendment to the Atomic Energy Act of 1954. I don't think they started the Act as an amendment.

Try and keep up Dave. 

[Cycoticpenguin]

Rest assured: the little box that you currently reside in is clearly labeled "Nuclear" but the focus of the entire world can and will change suddenly overnight when the next significant event of change occurs and no one has a clue what the label on that little box will read.  It used to say twin towers and yomamma (or was it Osama).  If you look closely, the little letters Fukushima are currently underneath Nuclear.

astoundingly poignant statement...