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First of all, I am a MM in NPS and I was considering trying to be an ELT. I was wondering what would be better for me in my future search of a job after the Navy. I guess there are really three routes I can take: secondary system MM, primary system MM or ELT. I understand that some of the decisions will not be mine to make, but still always nice to know what to expect.

Thanks

ELT, clearly.

Sorry for me being naive..but why is that?

Because I was an ELT and I am an SRO.

Quote from: TheHiggs on Aug 14, 2011, 12:31
Because I was an ELT and I am an SRO.

If that is not enough, start reading;

http://www.nukeworker.com/forum/index.php/topic,27722.0.html

http://www.nukeworker.com/forum/index.php/topic,18801.0.html

http://www.nukeworker.com/forum/index.php/topic,18345.0.html

http://www.nukeworker.com/forum/index.php/topic,22954.0.html

http://www.nukeworker.com/forum/index.php/topic,25018.0.html

http://www.nukeworker.com/forum/index.php/topic,3676.0.html

http://www.nukeworker.com/forum/index.php/topic,7979.0.html

http://www.nukeworker.com/forum/index.php/topic,14111.0.html

http://www.nukeworker.com/forum/index.php/topic,25849.0.html

http://www.nukeworker.com/forum/index.php/topic,22256.0.html

http://www.nukeworker.com/forum/index.php/topic,4089.0.html

http://www.nukeworker.com/forum/index.php/topic,6405.0.html

http://www.nukeworker.com/forum/index.php/topic,21004.0.html

The two Navy career moves most discussed in the Navy forums here are along the lines of; "I wanna be an Officer" and "I wanna be an ELT",...

OBTW - You posted in Navy:Getting Out, albeit, being an ELT is a good accomplishment for someone deciding to get out I think you may be several years from that discussion as of yet.

Enjoy the day,... 8)

You will have no say in being a primary or secondary mechanic when you get to your ship, it's all based on divisional manning (assuming you go to a carrier). Once you're qualified senior in rate, you can ask to go to the other division, or at least qualify their senior in rate, for the experience, which will help you make rate and qualify PPWS (again assuming a carrier).

ELTs tend to be the better looking nukes.

Quote from: Broadzilla on Aug 14, 2011, 10:03
ELTs tend to be the better looking nukes.

I know a couple of former ELTs that do not fit that mold...  ;)

Quote from: mixon on Aug 14, 2011, 12:13
First of all, I am a MM in NPS and I was considering trying to be an ELT. I was wondering what would be better for me in my future search of a job after the Navy. I guess there are really three routes I can take: secondary system MM, primary system MM or ELT. I understand that some of the decisions will not be mine to make, but still always nice to know what to expect.

Thanks

Go subs and you can be all three!

Quote from: Broadzilla on Aug 14, 2011, 10:03
ELTs tend to be the better looking nukes.

Uhhhh, thank you for admitting it was a beauty contest ... (i.e. not an intelligence issue) ...  ;)


How about a fashion show comrade ...


[ROFL]

Geeezzzz at the vanity on display ... ELT's pretty ha!  ELT's are just girlie MM's.  In fact they are just one letter removed from true femininity (e.g. ET).   ;)   :P :P :P [Flamer] [Flamer] [Flamer] [Flamer]

Quote from: mixon on Aug 14, 2011, 12:13
First of all, I am a MM in NPS and I was considering trying to be an ELT. I was wondering what would be better for me in my future search of a job after the Navy. I guess there are really three routes I can take: secondary system MM, primary system MM or ELT. I understand that some of the decisions will not be mine to make, but still always nice to know what to expect.

Why don't you finish Power School and figure it out in Prototype.

Go hang out in the shop with the MM's and figure out what working with them is like. Go to the cube or wherever the ELT's hang out now and figure out what they are like.

Listen to the stories, ask the questions, figure out which clique you like better. That's what I did for the sub/surface/elt/spu decision. The quality of life/career goals are going to have much more to do with your own work ethic and people around you than any choice you make in the pipeline. The job of an ELT, especially on a Carrier, is much different than that of a mechanical operator. You may not even have the choice to be an ELT, it helps if you're a girl. We had a lot of ELT women (MY EXPERIENCE WAS NOT CONSISTENT WITH BZ's and much more consistent with MAC) and I remember that helping in the pipeline.

Quote from: Drayer on Aug 14, 2011, 02:35

Why don't you finish Power School and figure it out in Prototype.

Without reiterating my own long tale of how I went from conventional MMFR to MM1/SS ELT, yadda yadda yadda, knowing what your goal is as soon as you see it will help you achieve it,...

To wit, I figured out I wanted to be an ELT in Power School, to be an ELT you HAD to be in the academic top half of your class, all rates included, I made sure I was,....

Quote from: Drayer on Aug 14, 2011, 02:35

Go hang out in the shop with the MM's and figure out what working with them is like. Go to the cube or wherever the ELT's hang out now and figure out what they are like.

Listen to the stories, ask the questions, figure out which clique you like better.

If I planned my life goals on how well I liked working with the clique of the moment I'd still be slogging cans in a grocery store or slicing choice cuts at the slaughterhouse,...

Unless you are going to be with a particular "clique" for the rest of your life what real benefit is there to "liking" them?!?

Go after what you think suits you and your temperament, give it your best, and see if it sticks,...

Camaraderie will come and go,...

My best friend over 8.25 years of USN service was a TM,...

Quote from: Drayer on Aug 14, 2011, 02:35
....The job of an ELT, especially on a Carrier, is much different than that of a mechanical operator.....

I have never set foot on a carrier, the guy who works in the same office as I do nowadays was a carrier ELT, he was contemporary to my time in the USN, based on our conversations and others this is a true storyline,...

I was on an SSN and an SSBN, ELT was a collateral duty on both commands, even for the LELT, the LELT could bow out from M-Div maintenance when he was busy with RL Div obligations, funny thing, on both commands the M-Div LCPO was an ELT and on the SSN the bull nuke was also, no pulling the wool over their eyes concerning RL-Div management, heheheheh,...

My commendations and letters were all from M-Div work,...

Long story short, once upon a time an ELT had a good shot at being an M-Div'r first unless he was the underway ELT or the duty ELT,...

Quote from: MacGyver on Aug 14, 2011, 02:27
ELT's are just girlie MM's.  In fact they are just one letter removed from true femininity (e.g. ET).....

Jealousy is so ugly,.....

Once upon a time there was an MM-ELT on a 616 class SSBN who was also the diesel king, not exactly girly man material,....

;)

Just about the time I was losing faith in my shipmates....... the ELT thing surfaces once again.Was it Conan the Barbarian who once referred to ELTs as girly men ? Or was that the Terminator referring to Democrats ? Doesnt matter much really. As low as pole-vaulting over a paramecium at the bottom of the Marianas Trench to as high as the crows nest on the Enterprise (CVN-65 or NCC-1701 - you decide), the men(and women),the myths, the legends, the ELTs. Naysayers and wannabes be damned, members emeritus rejoice....the legacy endures. MM2/ELT USS Nimitz CVN-68. 80-84 BOHICA

Basically your take away from all this should be: Do your best in Power School, top half (overall) if possible. If you get that, it's easier to get ELT/Staff Pickup, if you don't, you'll need a waiver. It's better to meet the requirements for a job you decide not to take than not meet the requirements of the job you want.

Quote from: TheHiggs on Aug 14, 2011, 12:31
Because I was an ELT and I am an SRO.

Lol that's so misleading :p


ELTs... at least their primary nec was a real one..... ;)

Quote from: Starkist on Aug 15, 2011, 11:30

ELTs... at least their primary nec was a real one..... ;)

"Hi I am an MM and nothing has brought me more pleasure and frustration than training an ELT ... "






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Quote from: MMM on Aug 15, 2011, 09:06
Basically your take away from all this should be: Do your best in Power School, top half (overall) if possible. If you get that, it's easier to get ELT/Staff Pickup, if you don't, you'll need a waiver. It's better to meet the requirements for a job you decide not to take than not meet the requirements of the job you want.

Bad Gouge.....


Today, we take ELTs from all GPAs.  There is a spread to ensure that not all the "smart" mechanics become ELTs.  No GPA waivers required. 

So, in some cases, a high GPA might hurt your chances.

(Note:  I am in no way suggesting not giving maximum effort)

Cheers,
GC

Quote from: Starkist on Aug 15, 2011, 11:30
Lol that's so misleading :p


ELTs... at least their primary nec was a real one..... ;)

Misleading how? It is a statement of fact.

I was an ELT, now I am an SRO. Fact.

That isn't to say that by being an ELT you can be an SRO, it is meant to point out that people that are ELTs and SROs are awesome. Another statement of fact. :)

Quote from: TheHiggs on Aug 15, 2011, 05:51
it is meant to point out that people that are ELTs and SROs are awesome. Another statement of fact. :)

Justin, you are a nerd!!  ROFL

I know the ELT's on the Enterprise were the ones we got dose readings from every month. So you can be a dosimetry tech too!  :P

Quote from: navynukedoc on Aug 15, 2011, 07:31

Justin, you are a nerd!!  ROFL

I know the ELT's on the Enterprise were the ones we got dose readings from every month. So you can be a dosimetry tech too!  :P

HA! I had a gold chevron first class ELT from The Big E come to the boat to take over LELT once and I was tasked with doing his check chem. So, when it is time for the primary, I say "you ready to go?" He said, "What? You guys really do primaries here?"  :-X :'( Needless to say, I understood then why he was a gold chevron first class. ;D I think that says more about the Big E than ELTs. :P  <3 [dink]

Quote from: TheHiggs on Aug 15, 2011, 07:47
I think that says more about the Big E than ELTs. :P  <3 [dink]

But the Big E comes in handy when you need to find a sandbar or other submerged object...they've updated several sounding charts  :P

Quote from: TheHiggs on Aug 15, 2011, 07:47
I had a gold chevron first class ELT from The Big E come to the boat to take over LELT

Sounds like you got a very serious underachiever there. I made second in 6 years as a corpsman, which everyone knows it isn't a nuke designated rating.

The Enterprise has been known to have some politically incorrect but great people.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/postpartisan/2011/01/capt_owen_honors_runs_aground.html

Quote from: Gamecock on Aug 15, 2011, 05:37

....There is a spread to ensure that not all the "smart" mechanics become ELTs.....

Someone finally figured that one out eh?!?!?!?!?

Broadzilla, The Higgs, Marlin, withroaj, Smooth Operator, Already Gone, hamsamich, yours truly and dozens others on these boards have known that for 30+ years,...

'bout dam time big Navy figured that one out,...

ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL [dowave] ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL [dowave] [Flamer]

Quote from: navynukedoc on Aug 16, 2011, 12:45

Sounds like you got a very serious underachiever there. I made second in 6 years as a corpsman, hwich everyone knows it isn't a nuke designated rating.

The Enterprise has been known to have some politically incorrect but great people.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/postpartisan/2011/01/capt_owen_honors_runs_aground.html

Prior to TLDs the Corpsman on the boats was responsible for developing the film badges, measuring the density and converting to exposure for gamma and counting the tracks for neutron. We helped on patrol only out of boredom. The original ELTs were corpsman I have worked with at least one of them a number of years back.

Quote from: GLW on Aug 16, 2011, 06:44
Someone finally figured that one out eh?!?!?!?!?

Broadzilla, The Higgs, Marlin, withroaj, Smooth Operator, Already Gone, hamsamich, yours truly and dozens others on these boards have known that for 30+ years,...

Me......not a former ELT :'( :( :'(

Quote from: Gamecock on Aug 15, 2011, 05:37
Bad Gouge.....


Today, we take ELTs from all GPAs.  There is a spread to ensure that not all the "smart" mechanics become ELTs.  No GPA waivers required. 

So, in some cases, a high GPA might hurt your chances.

(Note:  I am in no way suggesting not giving maximum effort)

Cheers,
GC

I stand corrected. I love learning new things.

Mixed GPA classes of ELT's has been in use for a long time now(circa, end of the 1980's).  BUT it sure is fun giving them (re: ELT's) the needle.  Of course they (i.e. ELT's) brought it on themselves.  ;)  Just like the rest of us; we (e.g. all) rate bash the other nuclear rates / collaterial duties.  Long live rate bashing ... :P ;) :P ;)

Well when they came to me to ask if I wanted ELT (I originally checked NO to SPU and ELT on the paper), they said; "We need one more top half top half (PS/Ptype), interested?" Just sayin. :P They guaranteed me subs (whether lie or not) so I took it. ;D Point is, I'm awesome and I was an ELT so being an ELT must be awesome..., same with SRO. I know, the logic escapes you. :P :-> [agree] [OT] [dowave] [banned]

^^^emotabuse.

Quote from: GLW on Aug 16, 2011, 06:44
Someone finally figured that one out eh?!?!?!?!?

Broadzilla, The Higgs, Marlin, withroaj, Smooth Operator, Already Gone, hamsamich, yours truly and dozens others on these boards have known that for 30+ years,...

'bout dam time big Navy figured that one out,...

ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL [dowave] ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL [dowave] [Flamer]

HEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

met an old HP named Elmo.  was about 75 or something working at north anna back in 07.  he said he wrote some of the original sampling procedures and took some of the first primary samples at the INEL prototype in the early fifties.  all of this is fuzzy so don't quote me.  kinda cool, I felt like he was telling the truth.  seems like he was the first ELT (or one of the first), but he was a civilian!  strange.

Quote from: hamsamich on Aug 17, 2011, 04:06
met an old HP named Elmo.  was about 75 or something working at north anna back in 07.  he said he wrote some of the original sampling procedures and took some of the first primary samples at the INEL prototype in the early fifties.  all of this is fuzzy so don't quote me.  kinda cool, I felt like he was telling the truth.  seems like he was the first ELT (or one of the first), but he was a civilian!  strange.

Our classroom instructors for ELT were all civilian Early (70s). I do remember them writing some of the procedures chemistry and RadCon. One of them had even responded to the SL-1 accident he had some good stories.

Quote from: Broadzilla on Aug 17, 2011, 02:26

HEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

you would be a damn elt wouldnt you... :p ';)

Its ok, I still love you.

Not just an ELT. THE ELT.

ELT - Engineerings Laziest Technician. OP - How hard do you want to work?

Quote from: Starkist on Aug 17, 2011, 10:45
Its ok, I still love you.

That's ok...sub sailors are used to hearing that a *lot* on patrol!  :P

Quote from: HydroDave63 on Aug 18, 2011, 05:17
That's ok...sub sailors are used to hearing that a *lot* on patrol!  :P

Well you know what sailors say about squids, 150 guys go down, 75 couples come back up!  ROFL  [OT]

Quote from: navynukedoc on Aug 18, 2011, 05:33
Well you know what sailors say about squids, 150 guys go down, 75 couples come back up!  ROFL  [OT]

Well, they couldnt fit sheep in the berthing, so they gotta do something..

Quote from: Broadzilla on Aug 18, 2011, 11:41
Not just an ELT. THE ELT.

expected nothing less from you mikey... :p

Quote from: navynukedoc on Aug 18, 2011, 05:33
Well you know what sailors say about squids, 150 guys go down, 75 couples come back up!  ROFL  [OT]

Well you know what squids say about sailors.... wait you don't.  It's okay to kid about the couples thing because even God can't see what happens below 400 feet.

Quote from: DDMurray on Aug 18, 2011, 06:41
Well you know what squids say about sailors.... wait you don't.  It's okay to kid about the couples thing because even God can't see what happens below 400 feet.

Probably similar things that the bored surface-elite do 3/4 the way through a deployment...

Quote from: DDMurray on Aug 18, 2011, 06:41
even God can't see what happens below 400 feet.

I don't know about all that, but if I struck a nerve about being on a sub, you are a bit more sensitive than most sailors.

(Note the ROFL after the phrase.) If you can't take a joke, don't send one back.

Quote from: Starkist on Aug 18, 2011, 07:11
Probably similar things that the bored surface-elite do 3/4 the way through a deployment...

What? Play xbox on duty?? ;)

oh gawd these threads degenerate to this in twenty posts or less every time,...


every dam time,... [coffee]

That is because those who were not ELTs can't help but to show their jealousy and anger for not being selected to be part of the superior cadre of US Navy Nukes.  8)

Quote from: TheHiggs on Aug 19, 2011, 07:27
That is because those who were not ELTs can't help but to show their jealousy and anger for not being selected to be part of the superior cadre of US Navy Nukes.  8)

"son your ego is writing checks your body can't cash"





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:P

Quote from: MacGyver on Aug 19, 2011, 07:32

For ELTs, shouldn't that be "Top Sponge" ?  8)

Man is this turning out to be a classic. At the current C.00E+2 acceleration rate, it may turn out to be the best yet. Look what we have so far - ELT's are girlie MMs, they started as penis machinists (corpsmen),they frustrate real MMs who have to train them,some of the prehistoric models were trained by a member of the SL1 initial entry team, the L is for lazy vs. laboratory, and what not. Currently we have the surface vs. sub diatribe in the zygote stage. By far-nothing stimulates the synapse of both current and ex nuc swabbies as the three lettered demonic acronym... You know what it is. May those timeless tomes 0152 & 0153 continue to serve with honor.  MM2/ELT USS Nimitz CVN 68  80-84  BOHICA.

Quote from: fiveeleven on Aug 19, 2011, 10:47
Man is this turning out to be a classic. At the current C.00E+2 acceleration rate, it may turn out to be the best yet. Look what we have so far - ELT's are girlie MMs, they started as penis machinists (corpsmen),they frustrate real MMs who have to train them,some of the prehistoric models were trained by a member of the SL1 initial entry team, the L is for lazy vs. laboratory, and what not. Currently we have the surface vs. sub diatribe in the zygote stage. By far-nothing stimulates the synapse of both current and ex nuc swabbies as the three lettered demonic acronym... You know what it is. May those timeless tomes 0152 & 0153 continue to serve with honor.  MM2/ELT USS Nimitz CVN 68  80-84  BOHICA.

Love it! +K +K



OK, I will stay on topic, sorry G man.  [quit]

Quote from: TheHiggs on Aug 19, 2011, 07:27
That is because those who were not ELTs can't help but to show their jealousy and anger for not being selected to be part of the superior cadre of US Navy Nukes.  8)

Strange... I remember ELT's having to ask my permission to go take samples.... :p I also remember bagging up spills and having the ELT's come down to do my bidding for cleanup.

ELT's... glorified janitors
MM's... glorified plumbers
EM's.... glor... nvm
ET's..... Melt outside of air condition for more then 10 minutes.




Macgyver -> best movie ever! :)

Your jealousy is ugly. :P

Quote from: Starkist on Aug 19, 2011, 12:23
Strange... I remember ELT's having to ask my permission to go take samples....

That's called "professional courtesy", much like when the CNA knocks on the door of your nursing home room, and asks if it is ok to change your Depends^TM   :P

Quote from: HydroDave63 on Aug 19, 2011, 02:54
That's called "professional courtesy", much like when the CNA knocks on the door of your nursing home room, and asks if it is ok to change your Depends^TM   :P

hahaha

Quote from: TheHiggs on Aug 19, 2011, 12:28
Your jealousy is ugly. :P

Lol, Id agree with you, but the ELT's from my ship had a crap deal, I knew they had it rougher then I did.

Quote from: mixon on Aug 14, 2011, 12:13
First of all, I am a MM in NPS and I was considering trying to be an ELT. I was wondering what would be better for me in my future search of a job after the Navy. I guess there are really three routes I can take: secondary system MM, primary system MM or ELT. I understand that some of the decisions will not be mine to make, but still always nice to know what to expect.

Thanks

Back on topic:
Kicking butt in school and keeping a positive attitude may not land you ELT, but being thought of as lazy with a bad attitude will likely prevent it.  The best ELTs I knew were all good MMs first.  

Quote from: DDMurray on Aug 19, 2011, 03:30
Back on topic:
Kicking butt in school and keeping a positive attitude may not land you ELT, but being thought of as lazy with a bad attitude will likely prevent it.  The best ELTs I knew were all good MMs first.  

It would also help if you find a way to become a woman.

Just saying, my experience tells me that your odds are much greater if you are a woman. ELT's used to be girls like Justin, now they are just girls like, well actual girls.

Quote from: Safety Matt on Aug 19, 2011, 06:30
If you are serious, consider contacting NW member dub step girl via PM for some advice.  He seems to have figured out how to make the change...

Uncalled for dude.

Quote from: Starkist on Aug 19, 2011, 07:56
Uncalled for dude.

Naw, it was funny.

Quote from: TheHiggs on Aug 19, 2011, 09:15
Naw, it was funny.

Im all about rate bashing and the jokes, but Im not a fan of the personal attack level. I have a dark sense of humour, but I've never gotten a laugh out of taking things out on others. People will do what they want, Im not their parent. A little respect among each other here is all I ask for, and I dont think thats unreasonable.

Lets get back to rate bashing, shall we? :p

I didn't see it as a personal attack. I guess I don't take things as seriously as you. To each their own.

Quote from: TheHiggs on Aug 19, 2011, 09:41
I didn't see it as a personal attack. I guess I don't take things as seriously as you. To each their own.

I misread it, reread it, and laughed :) All is well. I read it as him poking fun at the new guy for being transgender is all. Im not down with that in any means.

Sorry, sometimes getting made fun of is a part of life.

Quote from: TheHiggs on Aug 19, 2011, 11:38
Sorry, sometimes getting made fun of is a part of life.

well, as an ELT, Id expect you are more used to that then I am :p

Quote from: TheHiggs on Aug 19, 2011, 11:38
Sorry, sometimes getting made fun of is a part of life.

A wise man once told me, "If you can't take a joke, then don't be one."

Quote from: DDMurray on Aug 21, 2011, 08:33
A wise man once told me, "If you can't take a joke, then don't be one."

Now that is good!

Don't be caught up in beig an ELT until you do some radcon during prototype. You may love chemistry but if you can't stand radcon then you will most likely hate your job.


I Just started elt school and already wanted to run over to 8g and go torque a valve or start up the Er after our first 2 days lectures :(

Seriously though, this stuff is pretty interesting, at times :P

PS. I don't know anything. Listen to the old guys, cough...

As with each of the trades, ELT may offer challenges that the others do not.  I have qualified all that I can in the navy's nuke field and have an earned respect for all my fellow nukes (except the sluggards).

ELT may involve Radcon but do not fret.  Radcon is not the hardest thing that you might do.  Try catching a grape that was spit across the crews mess with only your mouth....  try sleeping on a frozen mattress.... or removing EB Green from body parts.

As an ET I pulled end bells and bearings off MG sets, changed risics and impellers on pumps and even had to perform primary/secondary chemistry analysis.   But I always loved the challenge of an actual reactor recovery or going from single to two loop ops....

Good luck,  work hard and thank you for your service.

Lafeet

Quote from: LaFeet on Jan 06, 2012, 10:57
As with each of the trades, ELT may offer challenges that the others do not.  I have qualified all that I can in the navy's nuke field and have an earned respect for all my fellow nukes (except the sluggards).

ELT may involve Radcon but do not fret.  Radcon is not the hardest thing that you might do.  Try catching a grape that was spit across the crews mess with only your mouth....  try sleeping on a frozen mattress.... or removing EB Green from body parts.

As an ET I pulled end bells and bearings off MG sets, changed risics and impellers on pumps and even had to perform primary/secondary chemistry analysis.   But I always loved the challenge of an actual reactor recovery or going from single to two loop ops....

Good luck,  work hard and thank you for your service.

Lafeet

Agreed, and with everyone else's comments, make your decision far into prototype. If you let them(LELT) know your interested, they will find you when the time comes for them to stock up on ELT candidates.