DZ Atlantic

[RDTroja]

That's right, I'm the first MF'er on NukeWorker in 15 years to use a hash tag.

You say that like it something to be proud of. 

[hamsamich]

speaking of Paducah and pay...look how they are touting the "60$ an hour for overtime".  ooooooooohhh wow.

[GLW]

....that averages $17.50/hour tax free.....

that's kind of the problem,....

perception,....

per diem is not meant to be pay,...

stop portraying per diem as pay,...

everytime folks start mixing per diem with pay and then tag that "tax free" moniker on the end of it, the trend of that discussion draws misplaced perception attention to per diem,...

per diem is per diem is per diem,....it is not payroll,...

if a job posting does not offer per diem then it just does not offer per diem, the applicant will have to decide if they can support multiple households on the offered wage or if they cannot,...

my SOP is to never mix per diem with wage, to never portray or equivocate per diem as a "tax free" wage, and to accept the indulgence of being paid per diem without having to account for how each penny of that enumeration was expended while maintaining multiple households,...

http://www.gsa.gov/portal/content/104877

stop poking the big dog,....

the loud and prouds from ten years ago, boasting with twelve different ways of how they could snag Massachusetts unemployment while living their summers in Mississippi have been silenced,...

the big dog is watching,...

(sic),....

[Ksheed]

#FirstWorldProblems


That's right, I'm the first MF'er on NukeWorker in 15 years to use a hash tag.

Well, ROTFLMFAO.

On a serious note, I certainly hope this forum does not continue down the slippery slope you have started us on of talking in hash tags and texting acronyms. It's painful enough reading my teenage daughter's texts.

I always thought if you  simply give them your home address that is verified would be sufficient for them to figure out if you qualify for per diem.

dat's the weigh it's bin on my jobs wit them.

As I had stated in an early post, it depends on the contract with the utility. They will set the rules. I have been at a DZ site where you had to provide 2 forms of proof of your permanent residence (Mortgage, utility bill, DL) and proof of temporary residency such as a rent slip.

[Content1]

that's kind of the problem,....

perception,....

per diem is not meant to be pay,...

stop portraying per diem as pay,...

everytime folks start mixing per diem with pay and then tag that "tax free" moniker on the end of it, the trend of that discussion draws misplaced perception attention to per diem,...

per diem is per diem is per diem,....it is not payroll,...

if a job posting does not offer per diem then it just does not offer per diem, the applicant will have to decide if they can support multiple households on the offered wage or if they cannot,...

my SOP is to never mix per diem with wage, to never portray or equivocate per diem as a "tax free" wage, and to accept the indulgence of being paid per diem without having to account for how each penny of that enumeration was expended while maintaining multiple households,...

http://www.gsa.gov/portal/content/104877

stop poking the big dog,....

the loud and prouds from ten years ago, boasting with twelve different ways of how they could snag Massachusetts unemployment while living their summers in Mississippi have been silenced,...

the big dog is watching,...

(sic),....

I don't make the laws or designed rules of common sense.  If you qualify for per diem and a  job offers if, it is not cheating the government when you use it for its intended purpose.  If you are not a local and maintaining two households, these costs are real and payment of diem, like what they do for members of congress who wrote the laws, you get per diem.  It is a mental exercise to equate per diem on an hourly basis to compare how much you'd have to earn when you DON't get per diem as you still have the same costs associated with travel.  Sometime that cost make taking a job uneconomical (No per diem, no see 'em) even if the wage seems higher.  If a job is truly long term, then it should offer relocation costs as incentive for the job and requiring a move to the job.  If they advertise in Nukeworker and they still want the transient worker, they should expect push back from transient workers.

[Content1]

I did not see a mention of relocation reimbursement in the Paducah listing for what is moving and changing your residence, as if they want transient to apply but get  there on their own.  Moving is a very expensive proposition and their focus only of wage would only work for locals.

[HydroDave63]

I did not see a mention of relocation reimbursement in the Paducah listing for what is moving and changing your residence, as if they want transient to apply but get  there on their own.  Moving is a very expensive proposition and their focus only of wage would only work for locals.

Especially if they read this thread! 

[GLW]

I don't make the laws......

Okay,...

... or designed rules of common sense.....

common sense has no rules, if it did, it would be "common rules", and we already have those, and many of those make no sense at all, common or otherwise,....

.........If you qualify for per diem and a  job offers if, it is not cheating the government when you use it for its intended purpose.  If you are not a local and maintaining two households, these costs are real......

good to see that you agree,...

.....like what they do for members of congress who wrote the laws....

an outside jab which is not germane to the travelling nukeworker's concerns with per diem,...

........It is a mental exercise to equate per diem on an hourly basis to compare how much you'd have to earn when you DON't get per diem as you still have the same costs associated with travel.........

granted, the point was presenting our push back from the perspective that without any multiple housing maintenance compensation, the travelling nukeworker would need to realize a higher wage to accept an out of area job, NOT that the travelling nukeworker views per diem as an equivalent "tax free" wage,...

wages are wages,...

per diem is per diem,...

if per diem is not on the table for discussion, then stick to wages,...

do not equivocate per diem AS wages,...

............Sometime that cost make taking a job uneconomical (No per diem, no see 'em) even if the wage seems higher.  If a job is truly long term, then it should offer relocation costs as incentive for the job and requiring a move to the job..........

those are routine offers and negotiations driven by markets,...

if you are not in a position to negotiate better for your skillset then that indicates someone else, somewhere else, is willing to work for what you will not or cannot work for,...

OR,...

the offeror cannot or will not compensate better for the desired skillset,...

those paradigms exist for all free market employment scenarios,...

.....If they advertise in Nukeworker and they still want the transient worker, they should expect push back from transient workers.

No, if they advertise in Nukeworker they agree to the price for placing the ad, pay it, and place their ad,...

expecting push back is not part of that transaction, push back is part of interacting with you,...

interacting with Tech A may be, "Sure boss!!!, I'll be there Monday!!!!", i.e., no push back whatsoever,...

queue the "We need a union!!!!" apologists,....

almost forgot (sic),....4 beercourt,...

[SloGlo]

speaking of Paducah and pay...look how they are touting the "60$ an hour for overtime".  ooooooooohhh wow.

n with yore equating p.d. with hourly pay, watt due yins think the tax bite should bee on the diem, because yew wood half to be thinking 25.75 of the 60 ought to be tax free.

[SloGlo]

I notice Padukah is hiring for $40 w/o per diem.  Say if per diem would have been $100/day, that works out at 40 hours/week, that averages $17.50/hour tax free.  Compared to a per diem job you would make the same if you only made $22.50/hour.  That job only makes sense if you are a local.

butt, yinz got interesting math. my calc works out two 12.5 per our (100/8) because most 40 jobs aye have associated with dew knot pay diem four the weak end. then again, the current p.d. rate fore Paducah is 124 a day and that steel does naught get you to 17.50.

[Content1]

butt, tinz got interesting math. my calc works out two 12.5 per our (100/8) because most 40 jobs aye have associated with dew knot pay diem four the weak end. then again, the current p.d. rate fore Paducah is 124 a day and that steel does naught get you to 17.50.

No per diem on the week end?  I guess you are either sitting at a freeway off ramp with a sign, "I work at a  nuclear site, please help me pay for a place to stay on the weekend," or you call up the Enterprise and ask Scotty to beam you home.

[Glowing Green]

I didn't bother to check your math, I have no reason to question it. I'm just telling you there are plenty of jobs out there that are being done without per diem, nuke and non-nuke.

It may not matter much to you, but welder wage at a nuke is never $25/hour. Last time I checked it was ~$40 with OT and DT. The scenario that I referenced in my post was not for 40 hour weeks, it was an outage. 6-8 weeks of 72 hours, working time helps make up for no or low per diem.

Sounds like an RP and a welder having a discussion about pay....LOL.  Two different worlds!!! I know as an traveling RP....No diem no see 'em!!!

[Ksheed]

Sounds like an RP and a welder having a discussion about pay....LOL.  Two different worlds!!! I know as an traveling RP....No diem no see 'em!!!

I'm not a welder, but I do work more with the craft labor side then the RP/HP side. The example I had given was specific to a previous job that a welder I know had worked. The point was working jobs without per diem happens more often then you think. Per diem for days worked happens also.

If a company is posting a job offer and specifies that there is no per diem then you can bet your donkey that it is a costumer requirement/request. The $40/hour job that has been referenced in this post is obviously intended for a local candidate. The fact that it is still available and has been renewed at least once is showing that they are having trouble filling it. I'm sure the "No diem, no see 'em" is effecting it.

Isn't it about time for this thread to circle back around to the original topic?

[GLW]

Isn't it about time for this thread to circle back around to the original topic?

getting there, pushing the +3 sigma (37.6),...

BZ's general observation on Internet forums/threads etal, By the 5th post in any thread it starts drifting off topic. By 12 to 15 it has nothing to do with the original topic and if it surives to 30 or so it magically gets back on topic. This applies almost everywhere.

Mike

[SloGlo]

No per diem on the week end?  I guess you are either sitting at a freeway off ramp with a sign, "I work at a  nuclear site, please help me pay for a place to stay on the weekend," or you call up the Enterprise and ask Scotty to beam you home.

eye personally did the know diem weekend on a reactor d&D contract. oui got travel pay and mileage in and out each week with a 4 day x10 hr schedule, of witch the first fore and last for ours each weak were the travel time. that mileage times, say, 5 hours of interstate distance made a nice supplement two take my girl out on the weekend and I got home at a normle hour after work. plus getting up on monday a.m. at a regular time two go too work.
far better than dealing with scotty and his paw prints!
worked an udder d&D with no diem weekends, butt aye was local sew didn't  qualify. that contract was 5x10 and it was out of town craft dune the diem bogey. they wood roll onto the job monday a.m., get a room m-w nites and  role out thursday knight with 4 days diem and 55 hours of pay. herd they took there girls dancing to.
yins got it write, no diem no see 'um. duzzant mean yew can't bee seen when the diem is on the scene, now does it?

neither site was a d&z sight.

[SloGlo]

just remembered, aye did a no diem weekend job fore an environmental gig about .... a long time ago. the company ate the holiday in four the weak and we got meal and incidentals per day. oar we could lose the room and get mileage home. front desk wood hold baggage over the weekend for $5 witch wood naturally guarantee yew got your room back. mileage was weigh moor than a couple days meal/incidental money, butt less than too days billing two the ofice.  win/win.