Any experiences with the Navy finding out about un-disclosed criminal records?

[Gamecock]

Get it taken care of before you go!!  Contact your recruiter and tell him about the ticket. 

[Fermi2]

So lets say when that moment of truth comes about in boot, what shall one do in such a hypothetical situation?

Are you really this F ing STUPID???

Mike

[taterhead]

Are you really this F ing STUPID???

Mike

my sentiments exactly.

[McBride]

So lets say when that moment of truth comes about in boot, what shall one do in such a hypothetical situation?

Moment of truth?  That sounds too much like a LifeTime Television program.  What?  Are you expecting to get caught watching the other guys in the shower?  This is still about your traffic ticket, right?

How about this...  Be truthful NOW and then later you don't have to remember lies and background stories.

Also, you should probably avoid hitting on your Company Commander as well, no matter how hot he looks in khaki.

[Cycoticpenguin]

So lets say when that moment of truth comes about in boot, what shall one do in such a hypothetical situation?

3 simple rules

1) stay seated
2) keep your mouth shut
3) watch in amusement/bewilderment at all the (colorful adjectives here) idiots standing up.

you will never see them again.

[Fermi2]

3 simple rules

1) stay seated
2) keep your mouth shut
3) watch in amusement/bewilderment at all the (colorful adjectives here) idiots standing up.

you will never see them again.

That's the stupidest advice I've ever heard and tells me a lot about the state of honesty in the USN today.

Mike

[taterhead]

That's the stupidest advice I've ever heard and tells me a lot about the state of honesty in the USN today.

Mike

"I didn't know you had a flair for the melodramatic."

-Citizen Kane

[Fermi2]

LOL!!!!!!

No but I do have this thing about honesty and face it the advice was just plain stupid, as many background checks as they do these days the odds are you'd end up getting caught. You reveal prior to entering the USN.

Mike

[Cycoticpenguin]

LOL!!!!!!

No but I do have this thing about honesty and face it the advice was just plain stupid, as many background checks as they do these days the odds are you'd end up getting caught. You reveal prior to entering the USN.

Mike

thats exactly the advice I gave him in response to the PM he sent me. EXACTLY.
HYPOTHETICALLY-

however if he had a party with his friends before he left, I do NOT feel he should give up his career in the navy because he had a couple beers underage to party with his friends before he left.  Do you? I feel there are some things you just keep your mouth shut about.

[gman82]

Don't leave anything out.  PERIOD!

As a side note:
I went to school with those that didn't disclose EVERYTHING and they lived on pins and needles .... literally. 

To be Clear about this topic's question:
HONESTY / INTEGRITY / HONOR / DEDICATION

These are the corner stones of Navy Nuclear Power.

Yeah that sounds like it could be me, I've already begun the process of clearing things up.

my backround is too minor too be living on edge over, I'm sure becoming a nuke is stressful enough, thank all of you guys for helping me see that honestly can be such a weight lifted off my shoulders

[Cycoticpenguin]

Don't leave anything out.  PERIOD!

As a side note:
I went to school with those that didn't disclose EVERYTHING and they lived on pins and needles .... literally. 

To be Clear about this topic's question:
HONESTY / INTEGRITY / HONOR / DEDICATION

These are the corner stones of Navy Nuclear Power.

Yeah, I spoke with him about this. In this case, yes, he needs to disclose. 

[McBride]

Yeah, I spoke with him about this. In this case, yes, he needs to disclose. 

Uh, THIS case?  But in others "HONESTY / INTEGRITY / HONOR / DEDICATION"  need not apply?

[JustinHEMI05]

Uh, THIS case?  But in others "HONESTY / INTEGRITY / HONOR / DEDICATION"  need not apply?

Not to today's youth. And yes I am generalizing again because yet again, my generalization is confirmed. For the most part (not all), the folks leaving high school today and entering the navy today don't have the same level of respect for authority, or things like honesty and integrity as people did 10 20 30 or more years ago. Its the video game passive child raising age and the parents are mostly to blame, followed by the schools. Its sad really. Of course, this all just my opinion and I could be wrong, but cycotic's responses to this thread reinforce my beliefs.

Justin

[JustinHEMI05]

Yeah, I spoke with him about this. In this case, yes, he needs to disclose. 

Just exactly who are you to decide whether or not he needs to disclose anything? What do you know? If I were him, I would stay as far away from your advice as possible, You know NOTHING. You have NO experience or real navy knowledge outside of your little pipeline world. You are not qualified to be giving this kind of advice. FACT.

Justin

[goobs22xx]

Not to today's youth. And yes I am generalizing again because yet again, my generalization is confirmed. For the most part (not all), the folks leaving high school today and entering the navy today don't have the same level of respect for authority, or things like honesty and integrity as people did 10 20 30 or more years ago. Its the video game passive child raising age and the parents are mostly to blame, followed by the schools. Its sad really. Of course, this all just my opinion and I could be wrong, but cycotic's responses to this thread reinforce my beliefs.

Justin

Based on what I've seen, the 28+ (10 years older than guys entering now) really aren't above your generalizations either. And this is at prototype (where the standards are supposed to be higher).

[mlslstephens]

The problem is not in the generalization.  But, in the NNPS program of today.  If you expect and demand Excellence you get it.  If you water it down and call it Excellence you get nothing more than a definition.

Navy Nuke Power is special because of the Sailor's that operate the equipment, run the schools and commands.  Not the other way around.

So, if you let the rif'raf stay in the program they have an effect/affect of causing Mediocrity and not Excellence.

Will there be Excellent Sailors.  Sure.

Will there be Mediocre Sailors.  More than one and less than all.  All because of the NNPS program of today.  They no longer Filter the the water three times.  The just keep pumping the same ole' bad water three times.

The fleet gets the waste.  (In the ole' days that had a different meaning.)

Somehow things will change.  I'm seeing to many Easily Offended First Class Petty Officers around the NukeWorker forums in recent posts.  I guess we should care about the feelings of Mediocre Sailors.  They make the Majority today it seems.

If you are Offended then you are one of the Mediocre Sailors.  (Thats how you would know if you where wondering.)

HC, you are right on track.  Thanks for saying it.

It IS the program, not the people.  I remember when I came in and I heard all the crusty old "lifers" ( I can say this now since I am one) say that the guys coming in today aren't as good as "when we came in".  I'm sure that back in the sixties when those guys came in someone said that about them too.  Sure, today's youth listen to music with different devices than we used back then, but there isn't an enormous difference in how the youth think as opposed to how we thought back then.  The difference is what you do with the guys who "choose" to buck the system.  We are much kinder and gentler to guys who violate articles of the UCMJ.  I'm not saying that we take everyone out to the wood shed but I do wish a Chief could strike fear in the hearts of young sailors like they did when I was a young sailor.

[JustinHEMI05]

Based on what I've seen, the 28+ (10 years older than guys entering now) really aren't above your generalizations either. And this is at prototype (where the standards are supposed to be higher).

Actually yes, I think you are right. Like I said I could be wrong but thinking back I remember not being too impressed with most of the guys I worked with either. Perhaps it is a program. Perhaps a little of both. Who really knows? But, I don't think cycotic learned that "sometimes its ok to lie" in the program.

Justin

[Gamecock]

I'm not saying that we take everyone out to the wood shed but I do wish a Chief could strike fear in the hearts of young sailors like they did when I was a young sailor.

Therein lies the vast majority of the problem.  The Goat Locker ain't what it used to be. 

[Cycoticpenguin]

Uh, THIS case?  But in others "HONESTY / INTEGRITY / HONOR / DEDICATION"  need not apply?

sigh... did you go tell on yourself as a junior sailor? That would be the HONEST/HONORABLE/DEDICATED thing to do. "chief, I was sleeping in berthing when I wasnt supposed to"... thats what I told him. I was curious if he went out and did something mildly stupid that doesnt warrant getting de-nuked for, especially as a civilian. Id prefer if people didnt get high and mighty about ethics, being as I'm sure everyone here is not a perfect person.

[JustinHEMI05]

sigh... did you go tell on yourself as a junior sailor? That would be the HONEST/HONORABLE/DEDICATED thing to do. "chief, I was sleeping in berthing when I wasnt supposed to"... thats what I told him. I was curious if he went out and did something mildly stupid that doesnt warrant getting de-nuked for, especially as a civilian. Id prefer if people didnt get high and mighty about ethics, being as I'm sure everyone here is not a perfect person.

No but there is a HUGE difference between "hey I had a drink with my friends before I left" and "hey I committed a crime when..."  Thats the point you are not getting. You obviously have a skewed view of ethics and morality.

Justin

[ddklbl]

Therein lies the vast majority of the problem.  The Goat Locker ain't what it used to be. 

Let's not go there. 

To everyone, there seems to be a lot of finger pointing of where culpability ultimately lies.  I think the answer is in the original post.  Under what circumstances would anyone think it is acceptable, when asked of criminal record type transgressions, to not provide full disclosure.  There is a culture, whether we like it or not, that standards are not required to be maintained (this thread is proof).  It's not the goatlockers fault.  It's not the wardrooms fault.  It's not the dirty blueshirt's fault.  The Navy, as a whole, needs recalibrated.   

I can blame the recruiter for recruiting a sailor who thought hiding criminal record information as ok.  I could blame the organization responsible for background checks for not catching the missing record.  I could blame the RDC for not adequately instilling the Navy Core Values in the recruits short 8 week fiesta known as boot camp.  I could blame the service schools for lowering there standards in the bean counters attempt to lower attrition.  I could blame the sea command for its role in fostering a "if you ain't cheatin' you ain't tryin' " atmosphere.  When does the blame game stop?  It should stop at the sailor.  But what do I know.

Instead, WE will just institute a series of corrective actions, amend someones policy notes, put an entry into the night orders about how some issue was bad and document the deficiency as fixed.  After all, training documented is training done.  We've all accepted this some time or another.

[taterhead]

Therein lies the vast majority of the problem.  The Goat Locker ain't what it used to be. 

Is anything really what it used to be?

I need to stop before I get started on this one.

[Cycoticpenguin]

No but there is a HUGE difference between "hey I had a drink with my friends before I left" and "hey I committed a crime when..."  Thats the point you are not getting. You obviously have a skewed view of ethics and morality.

Justin

no no no . I told him straight up to report it before you guys jumped down my butt. I dont have a skewed vision of ethics -.- I was wondering if he did something small and stupid like smoking pot at a going away party or something like that. (I had a friend join the Air Force, and he stood up during the moment of truth and told them he smoked weed at a new years party, and they freaking kicked him out!) I didnt want to see someone give up a future becuase they were "young and dumb" once.

[McBride]

...you guys jumped down my butt....

I feel so . . . dirty! 

[HydroDave63]

you guys jumped down my butt.

Its part of "earning your dolphins"