How is nuke challenging?

[zyrxy]

Im currently in dep waiting to ship off to basic in august.  But im thinking of changing jobs to something else.  Im curious how being a nuke is a challenge? I understand how the schooling can be a challenge but browsing around on these forums it just sounds like all you do is clean and if you arent cleaning you are just sitting their watching to make sure nothing goes wrong and if something goes wrong then it can be a challenge (I can be totally wrong , which is why im asking).  I want to join something that requires me to think more about how I will overcome a problem (for example there is an electrical problem and I have to find out where the problem is and fix it), not how I will handle the stress of working 12 hours a day and clean, not that I mind working 12 hours a day. I want something that will challenge me everyday, not just once a month. 

Also, I saw that you get to pick em/et/mm and I see some people saying its random and others saying its asvab scores and stuff.  I got 254 in nuc and 88 on asvab, just by chance would anyone happen to know if that would put me as top priority for et?

Thanks!

[crusemm]

First off, welcome to the forum, nice to meet you, always glad to have new people here.
Second, please use proper written English, i.e. capitalize the first letter in sentences, proper nouns, the first person I.  Also, the ratings are capitalized (MM/EM/ET not mm/em/et).
Now that the preliminaries are out of the way, there are a myriad of reasons why the nuclear Navy is hard.  While in school you will typically be in class 8 hours per day, followed by 2-6 hours of independent study.  This will continue for about a year.  When you finally get to your command you will be expected, on your own initiative (with some "gentle" guidance from your peers and supervisors), to qualify all of your watches and ESWS/SS.  I say on your own initiative because you will be assigned various other duties such as assisting in the galley (kitchen), maintenance, cleaning, and preparing yourself for advancement exams.  
As you have no doubt noticed I keep repeating certain phrases: "on your own"; "independent"; "your own initiative".  That is a common thread in the Navy, but especially on the nuclear side.  You are expected to accomplish a lot with little or no supervision, and I mean a lot.  Maintenance, qualification, collateral duties, cleaning/painting, assisting other members of the crew, some serious administration/paperwork burdens.

For more information, check here:
http://www.nukeworker.com/forum/index.php/topic,17568.0.html

Thank You for your (upcoming) service, and have a nice day

[JsonD13]

No one mentioned it yet, so I will.  Navy Nuclear is difficult, and hard, and tough as hell, because of the reason that even though you are a sailor, you are also a nuclear operator, held to higher standards than most intellectually as well as by your actions.  Also, if you look through the myriad of Navy regs, PM's that have to be done, etc.  you will come to realize that the Navy has more than 24 hours of work scheduled for you per day.

Jason

[Already Gone]

If your personality is as you described it, being a nuke is what you are looking for.  Painting and cleaning are a part of every sailor's duties because there is no way to call in someone else to do it on a ship that is underway -- especially a sub which only has a crew of about 100.

But, each rating -- MM, EM, ET -- is not only an operator who stands watches (waiting for a problem to solve as you pointed out) but also a technical specialist in several areas.  Beyond your normal maintenance and testing, each person is assigned to be an expert on at least one area.  You may receive additional training to be a welder, machine tool operator, Quality Control Specialist, instrument calibration tech., or as a specialist on a particular piece of equipment.

Testing and troubleshooting are definitely part of the job.

But the reason nukes are challenged is that they never stop honing their knowledge.  Although you may be fully qualified on all your watchstations and have your warfare pin, there will never be a time when you won't be challenged to demonstrate your knowledge.  After you qualify, you have to re-qualify.  There are ORSE or OPPE workups and exams to pass every year.  There's a new ship or command every few years.
AND
You are always going to be responsible for training and qualifying those who are coming up behind you.

You'll never rest on past accomplishments.  It's dull for sure at a panel for hours of steaming circles in the middle of the night.  These are the few moments when you will get to use about 30% of your brain for your own thoughts and only 70% for the Navy.  You'll come to cherish those times.

[adrianI]

Once you qualify, most of your time on watch will be spent basically making sure nothing goes wrong but believe me,  a lot of equipment you own will break and will require you to troubleshoot it and figure out whats wrong.

-not sure y evry1 is so crzy( ) with the grammar and spelling. it is an internet forum, right? 

[crusemm]

-not sure y evry1 is so crzy( ) with the grammar and spelling. it is an internet forum, right? 

Yes it is an internet forum, but a large percentage of the people that frequent these forums were educated before the internet existed.  Therefore we came to expect a certain standard when dealing with the written word.  Years of dealing with nuclear power (in my case in the Navy) have only raised our standards.  We don't expect perfection, only that you attempt to achieve it  ().  Also, it is just plain easier to read if the writing follows standard rules for written English.  Also, some people see it as a sign of disrespect or laziness, i.e. if you can't be bothered to write in proper English, how are you going to operate?

[adrianI]

I "get" why it is important to spell correctly when at your job or on a resume. But it's funny that in my experience navy nukes are some of the worst spellers there are,lol. I just think people shouldn't make such a big deal about it....again....it's an internet forum used to spread knowledge and ideas, not an English Language Level 3 Intensive GCE A Level course. At least IMHO.

[Maziwrath]

Waht is eevn mroe fun is wehn you tpye lkie tihs and pelpoe can siltl raed it.

[adrianI]

In addition to Crusemm's offerings, I'd like to add a few more for your consideration:

Nukeworker.com is a worldwide forum; many, many people, both within the industry and outside it, within the US and outside it, will find their way to this forum to research something related to nuclear power. A forum filled with "text speak" will reflect poorly on both the site and the industry in general; both lose creditability in the process. A site which lacks creditability will ultimately fail. You are correct, this is not an English course, however, Nukeworker.com has been cited as a source in several publications; the content of this site has the potential to be found in scholarly work.

This site is an extension of the industry it serves; just as "text speak" is not an acceptable means of communication in the nuclear industry, it is not unreasonable that the same expectations will carry over into this medium.

You are also correct that this is not a resume, however, many employers frequent this site; every post in the open forum of this site should be treated as a potential job interview. A key point that many of the "My Space/Facebook, text-speaking" generation are not seeing (yet).."say it and forget it, write it and regret it". With every post, you are helping someone form an opinion of you; that someone may hold the keys to the next door in your career, especially in an industry as small as nuclear power.

Just food for thought..

Nuke may be challenging when the "text speak" generation is required to keep a log book; the text speak may be a hard habit to break.

You make some good points. I guess I was referring more to how some people get blasted in here for missing a period. In regards to the part about Nuke being challenging to the "text speak" generation.... having recently turned 30 I suppose I am part of that generation and I assure you that I have had no problems "turning it off" while I was in the Navy, and the same holds true now that I have moved on to civilian nuclear power. To be honest I think this is just a generational thing.

Also, please don't consider this post as me being on the offensive. I'm seriously not trying start something here, just honestly trying to give my opinion.

-Oh, and if the whole "text speak" generation thing was sarcastic joke that went over my head, sorry.


Adrian

[Duchess]

You make some good points. I guess I was referring more to how some people get blasted in here for missing a period. In regards to the part about Nuke being challenging to the "text speak" generation.... having recently turned 30 I suppose I am part of that generation and I assure you that I have had no problems "turning it off" while I was in the Navy, and the same holds true now that I have moved on to civilian nuclear power. To be honest I think this is just a generational thing.

Also, please don't consider this post as me being on the offensive. I'm seriously not trying start something here, just honestly trying to give my opinion.

-Oh, and if the whole "text speak" generation thing was sarcastic joke that went over my head, sorry.


Adrian

I've never been able to get into the "Text Speak" thing.  I understand the utility of text messaging but I have never been able to send a text without proper grammar/punctuation (or at least my best effort).  Maybe I have a touch of OCD.  Even in my early 20's, I would always take an extra moment to use proper capitalization, punctuation, and spelling when sending a text message.  I will never use a number to spell the words "before" and "great"...I will never omit the "O" from OK.  

I don't think it is a generational issue...unless laziness is a generational issue as well.

I partially accepted it as a necessary evil when most cell phones were not equipped with a QWERTY keyboard...It could take 5 minutes to type out a full thought with proper punctuation and capitalization.  Very inefficient.

Now, it's just plain lazy.  Especially, on an internet forum.  I am assuming that most computers have a full keyboard.  If you only have 9 or 10 keys to express yourself...then by all means use some shorthand.

I apologize if I sound like the "Grumpy Old Man" from SNL (that reference probably dates me) but this is just a pet peeve of mine.  Now, get off my lawn.

[retired nuke]

Of course, almost any post by SloGlo is to be excepted from forum grammar rules - he's an institution unto hisself....

[crusemm]

Yes, but even his posts follow a consistent set of rules, they just are a unique set of rules

[Fermi2]

Text Speak, Chat Speak, Lack Of Capitalization, And Incorrect Punctuation drive me nuts. I don't mind an occasional incorrect spelling or missed apostrophe or period but lack of any attempt to recognize that they are part of the English language is unforgivable. Yes this is a very useful forum for information, BUT Mike also has a very established job forum and quite a few of us are in a position to either hire or promote people. In my view anyone posting here should keep in mind that maybe one day they might want to get hired where one of us oldsters works. If I was that person I'd want to make a good impression. I know I'm a tactless Godzilla at times, however I'm more than willing to help those who are willing to help themselves and make at least a decent impression. I've helped a lot of people here get into the industry and once in I've taken the onus to help them get through their licensed training regardless of where they are located. People I refuse to help are those who PM or email me in chat or text speak. In my mind, and keep in mind I'm a Shift Manager so certain things are important to me, a person who cannot at least attempt to use decent English are taking a shortcut for their convenience and what assurance are they giving me that they won't take shortcuts on my multibillion dollar baby?

In answer to an earlier comment about those of us leader types who take the time to place their imprint on others. 10 Years as a Shift Manager. I've raised 7 Shift Managers with one more on the way. I have 11 individuals that have become SRO's and 10 who have become RO's. I have one former Engineer who I took interest in who is now an SRO at TMI. And to date I've helped 11 members of this board get an SRO License, some of course asked for more help than others. So I like to think I've shared the benefit of my experience with the next generation. Yes all of them have survived my legendary lack of tact. I like to think that since they've been the recipients of my experience that they're also the beneficiaries of those who took their time to ensure I wouldn't have to learn lessons the hard way, and it truth be known, they certainly weren't easy on me! 

[Fermi2]

Because if it were easy anyone could do it, and we wouldn't have forums like this for those of us who worked our arse off to succeed!

[Nuclear NASCAR]

I've recombined these 2 topics back into the original topic.  I'd especially like to Thank Mike for giving one of the finest explanations of the importance of grammar & spelling and the impression we make through our use of it, good or bad. 

Since one subject evolved from the other it only makes sense that they stay together. 

[adrianI]

Forgive me for saying it but I have to. It is incomprehensible to me that people can assume that because someone may text "ill c u soon" = someone who takes short cuts while operating a reactor. I'm not really even sure why it bothers me so much but it does. I guess what really bothers me is how people get so crazy if someone posts in here similar to how they post in most other internet forums, and they get their head chewed off by the grammar police. If I take a shortcut on the way to the work does that mean that I am going to ignore a procedure because it's easier? No. I think we should lay off the grammar and spelling critique of every post and focus on the content.

Adrian

[HydroDave63]

TTarbox already covered this pretty darn well in reply #8. Why belabor the point?

[adrianI]

Because I don't necessarily agree with the post.

[Nuclear NASCAR]

Once you qualify, most of your time on watch will be spent basically making sure nothing goes wrong but believe me,  a lot of equipment you own will break and will require you to troubleshoot it and figure out whats wrong.

-not sure y evry1 is so crzy( ) with the grammar and spelling. it is an internet forum, right?  

I think this has been answered and understood based on the next post:

I "get" why it is important to spell correctly when at your job or on a resume. But it's funny that in my experience navy nukes are some of the worst spellers there are,lol. I just think people shouldn't make such a big deal about it....again....it's an internet forum used to spread knowledge and ideas, not an English Language Level 3 Intensive GCE A Level course. At least IMHO.

Some might take this as trying to reinforce a justification of internet forum easing as opposed to prepping folks for higher standards via coaching.  I think you're doing a great job of getting another & very prevalent point of view out there for discussion.  Even though it might not be a popular point of view it is out there and must be recognized for its existence.

Also, please don't consider this post as me being on the offensive. I'm seriously not trying start something here, just honestly trying to give my opinion.

Adrian

Still keeping the discussion open, though it could be interpreted as trying to drive a point of justification for what might be to some a lower standard.  Without civil discussion ignorance prevails on both sides of any issue.

Forgive me for saying it but I have to. It is incomprehensible to me that people can assume that because someone may text "ill c u soon" = someone who takes short cuts while operating a reactor. I'm not really even sure why it bothers me so much but it does. I guess what really bothers me is how people get so crazy if someone posts in here similar to how they post in most other internet forums, and they get their head chewed off by the grammar police. If I take a shortcut on the way to the work does that mean that I am going to ignore a procedure because it's easier? No. I think we should lay off the grammar and spelling critique of every post and focus on the content.

Adrian

Okay, I've looked through this whole thread and this conclusion had to have come from somewhere else.  I didn't see anyone in this thread, other than in this post, draw the conclusion that poor grammar=poor or careless in the workplace.  

I do agree that the focus as far as grammar & spelling should not be that we use shortfalls in either to attack the poster or their post.  We've driven too many from this forum and from the support of the industry due to being far too analytical, and it's easy to see the root word of that process is.  At the same time, we as an industry should be aware of the spotlight that can be shone on us and where we can prevent its being a negative light we should.  Just as we've seen others attack here how much do you think the public might jump on the same bandwagon.

Back on topic (hopefully) nuke is challenging because no matter what you're doing you can count on at least 1 or 2 extra sets of eyes looking it over.  It's a pressure cooker at times, but it's also something that not everyone can do.  Make it through and you'll have a whale of a sense of accomplishment that a small percentage experience.  

Best of luck,
Tom

[crusemm]

Forgive me for saying it but I have to. It is incomprehensible to me that people can assume that because someone may text "ill c u soon" = someone who takes short cuts while operating a reactor. I'm not really even sure why it bothers me so much but it does. I guess what really bothers me is how people get so crazy if someone posts in here similar to how they post in most other internet forums, and they get their head chewed off by the grammar police. If I take a shortcut on the way to the work does that mean that I am going to ignore a procedure because it's easier? No. I think we should lay off the grammar and spelling critique of every post and focus on the content.

Adrian

A.  This is not like another internet forum, i.e. potential employers and supervisors do not hang out on LOLcatzRGR8 forum and talk about things specifically related to your line of work.  Here, recruiters, site managers, and other "corporate" reps hang out and look at posts.  This could, potentially, affect your chances of employment and/or promotion.
B.  It depends on the shortcut.  Does it  involve going the wrong way down a one way street ?  Driving through a parking lot to avoid a light?  Speeding through a school zone?  
C.  Assumed but mostly unstated, is that there is a community norm that is expected to be maintained.  Here in the open forum that standard is proper written English, with correct capitalization and punctuation.  Just as you would not walk up to your Commanding Officer (or HR Manager, Grandfather, or Pastor/Priest) and say, "Hey what's up my homey, how they hangin?" or any other slang to that effect, you would not say "c u l8r dud" on this forum.  It is not the community norm.  There is an expected, sorta formal, standard that is expected.
D.  Whether you agree with it or not, the standard is set.  Not to be too harsh, if you want to play in this sandbox, play by it's rules.

No it is not a capital crime.  And, for the most part, the comments have not been harsh (even BZ's was really mild).  So, take the lesson as presented to heart, go forth and do good things, and enjoy all that the forum has to offer.
Peace Out-Matt

[adrianI]

Tom: Very well said, thank you.

Matt: point taken, thanks


Adrian

[Fermi2]

Forgive me for saying it but I have to. It is incomprehensible to me that people can assume that because someone may text "ill c u soon" = someone who takes short cuts while operating a reactor. I'm not really even sure why it bothers me so much but it does. I guess what really bothers me is how people get so crazy if someone posts in here similar to how they post in most other internet forums, and they get their head chewed off by the grammar police. If I take a shortcut on the way to the work does that mean that I am going to ignore a procedure because it's easier? No. I think we should lay off the grammar and spelling critique of every post and focus on the content.

Adrian

I 100% believe it and I'll bet a year salary if you get any other manager on here they'll say the same thing.

[Marlin]

I 100% believe it and I'll bet a year salary if you get any other manager on here they'll say the same thing.

   I hate to do this but I'm going to have to back BZ up on this, to a point. You are asking for information on a Forum that has a great diversity of people on it. If you are seeking information I assume that you want to "communicate" that need. BZ tends to act like an alpha dog in the pound here at times and in his world at his plant he is right. If you want answers on a professional forum (yeah I know, I had a hard time typing that but it is still true) one might expect a little more than subculture communication.
   If we had a shock collar for BZ for when he was barking too loud that might help but he is who he is and when you walk into his junk yard you may want to throw him a little raw meat, he may be able to give you a some valuable advice after he growls at you a bit.

[adrianI]

Darn, after quoting me and saying most managers would agree, I thought he was agreeing with me. Jk(this is a way of saying "just kidding")

Adrian

[zyrxy]

My thanks goes out to 5 posters for the information and the 19 others for entertainment .