Today's Pipeline Attrition Rate?

[PercMastaFTW]

The only dream sheet you need to worry about is your rate. I'm an ET and I chose it as my top choice. I like it and the bonus is good. If you want to be an EL you need to be rated as an MM. I feel EMs are a bit under appreciated but what they do is cool too.

You'll rank your two choices from the three rates. You'll also be asked to volunteer subs. You can always volunteer later, but the benefit of doing it in boot is the back paid sub pay that you'll stay to accumulate.

Good luck!

Thanks! I was at MEPS finishing up my paperwork for shipment. There's 4 of us shipping. 3 guys, 1 girl. I didn't speak to the girl yet, but all three of us are nukes and want ET. Holy crap. This isn't very good odds haha. Especially since this is just ONE small area!!!

Any tips to get an "edge" in the process? Will they like if i volunteer for section leader etc.? Will that not matter, or what should I do?

Pretty disappointed with this haha.

[Marlin]

Thanks! I was at MEPS finishing up my paperwork for shipment. There's 4 of us shipping. 3 guys, 1 girl. I didn't speak to the girl yet, but all three of us are nukes and want ET. Holy crap. This isn't very good odds haha. Especially since this is just ONE small area!!!

Any tips to get an "edge" in the process? Will they like if i volunteer for section leader etc.? Will that not matter, or what should I do?

Pretty disappointed with this haha.

   If it helps any, MMs end being more operational minded and qualify EWS much easier than ETs or EMs (my experience). Just ask any of the ex MM1s who ended up their tours as EWS/LELT they are the ones with the strongest opinions on this forum. 

Marlin ex-MM1(SS)  EWS/LELT  (ELiTe) 

[PercMastaFTW]

  If it helps any, MMs end being more operational minded and qualify EWS much easier than ETs or EMs (my experience). Just ask any of the ex MM1s who ended up their tours as EWS/LELT they are the ones with the strongest opinions on this forum.  

Marlin ex-MM1(SS)  EWS/LELT  (ELiTe)  

What is EWS/LELT? haha I'm not very familiar with those terms!!! I'm still thinking putting my order as ET, EM, and MM... since MM's don't really work with electronic stuff :/

Oh yeah, but will volunteering for those section leader positions at boot be a positive to getting my #1, or will it be neutral and mean nothing to the nuke coordinators? Thanks

[HeavyD]

Oh yeah, but will volunteering for those section leader positions at boot be a positive to getting my #1, or will it be neutral and mean nothing to the nuke coordinators? Thanks

They really don't care. 

If he/she needs 25 EMs, 25 MMs, and 5 ETs, and there are 60 of you, well your odds aren't very good.  It boils down to a numbers game.

You would need to ask someone who had actually served as the Nuclear Classifier at RTC.  In my 20 years, I NEVER served with someone who had held that billet. (just sayin)

Best of luck, and regardless of what rate you get, put your best into it.

[DLGN25]

What is EWS/LELT? haha I'm not very familiar with those terms!!! I'm still thinking putting my order as ET, EM, and MM... since MM's don't really work with electronic stuff :/

Oh yeah, but will volunteering for those section leader positions at boot be a positive to getting my #1, or will it be neutral and mean nothing to the nuke coordinators? Thanks

ET RO's are nuclear reactor operators.  That is their primary job.  Electronics repair is secondary.  Out of all the RO ET's on a ship, the one or two that has a real knack for electronic repair will do that work when needed, and only when they are not standing watch.

RO ET= watch stander.  The modern day Boiler-men.

RO=Operator, operator, operator... 

I really hate being redundant.

RO=Operator, operator, operator... 

[Savage]

Do not volunteer at boot. You will get much more sleep if you just lay low and get through. There is no benefit for being in boot with leadership. Just my opinion but the people with leadership had a rough time. If anything, be a yeoman. Avoid starboard and port watch at all costs, but make friends with them. Forget the iron bill and iron your stuff as soon as you can after lights out. Oh and you will be sleeping under red light for the next two months. Get used to it, it's not bad once you get used to it. Hope for a bottom bunk. If anything choose one while you're in the pearl. You'll get assigned it once you're in your real ship but before that get a bunk as far away from the Rev lift as possible. When you walk into your compartment you will see the lights that aren't on. Those are the red lights. Stay away from them. Good luck. Get sleep now you'll need it.

[Marlin]

What is EWS/LELT? haha I'm not very familiar with those terms!!! I'm still thinking putting my order as ET, EM, and MM... since MM's don't really work with electronic stuff :/

EWS -Engineering Watch Supervisor the top enlisted qualification supervises all enlisted watch standers (MM, ET, and EM) in the engineering spaces when operating.

ELT -Engineering Laboratory Technician does all of the radiological controls and maintains chemistry on plant systems. (L = leading)

[PercMastaFTW]

Thanks guys for all those tips. Does that include not volunteering for regular section leaders? So no volunteering at all since it doesn't mean anything?

I'm about to be swearing in and shipping out soon. So freaking nervous

What's pearl and rev lift?

[Marlin]

So freaking nervous

If DLGN25 can be repetitious, so can I. 

    You seem to have a case of nerves

This too shall pass.

[Fermi2]

They don't attrict nearly enough but the bottom line is whether you are dropped or not is entirely within your control.

[ridgerunner61]

Thanks guys for all those tips. Does that include not volunteering for regular section leaders? So no volunteering at all since it doesn't mean anything?

Never
Again
Volunteer
Yourself

[spekkio]

  If it helps any, MMs end being more operational minded and qualify EWS much easier than ETs or EMs (my experience). Just ask any of the ex MM1s who ended up their tours as EWS/LELT they are the ones with the strongest opinions on this forum.  

Marlin ex-MM1(SS)  EWS/LELT  (ELiTe)  

From my perspective, it always seemed like the ETs had better knowledge to qual EWS/EDPO but were far less motivated to do it because they didn't have the excess personnel available to stand it. It was just viewed as another way that they can get boned with extra watch or duty when the CPO has something more important to do than stand his watch/duty day.

But when you have 13 M-divvers and 5-6 ELTs, there are bodies to spare to lend an E-6 or motivated E-5 to the full-time EWS/EDPO watchbill.

[GLW]

From my perspective, it always seemed like the ETs had better knowledge to qual EWS/EDPO but were far less motivated to do it because they didn't have the excess personnel available to stand it. It was just viewed as another way that they can get boned with extra watch or duty when the CPO has something more important to do than stand his watch/duty day.

But when you have 13 M-divvers and 5-6 ELTs, there are bodies to spare to lend an E-6 or motivated E-5 to the full-time EWS/EDPO watchbill.

I do not recall much about the inner workings of of the RC Div but the RO "stuff" of the EWS/EDPO qual was definitely the most tedious part of it all, and in practical application seemed to be the most useless as there was always an RO or SRO on watch to handle it,...

It was always "nice" to know what the RO/SRO was expected to do (and why) but they were consistently more adept at their job than any non-ET EWS/EDPO or EOOW/EDO,...

It still had to be done to get the qual,...

And yet, I can remember "coaching" an E-7 ET/SS EWS on "righty tighty lefty loosey" for his requal (or was it a proficiency?!?!?!, meh, it's been a long time),...

And I'm pretty sure it was not my consistently pleasant demeanor which made him fail open,...

Just not cut out to instinctively know what to do with big valves,....

[Marlin]

From my perspective, it always seemed like the ETs had better knowledge to qual EWS/EDPO but were far less motivated to do it because they didn't have the excess personnel available to stand it. It was just viewed as another way that they can get boned with extra watch or duty when the CPO has something more important to do than stand his watch/duty day.

  We will have to agree to disagree. Most of the EWS/EDPO function was outside Maneuvering area, the only experience ETs had was the panel and the machinery space they qualified on and the EWS qual was the watch space and operation of same. It was much less of a learning curve for a MM EWS/EDPO, it was an alien environment for ETSs and EMs. I stood watch with the M-Div chief and E-Div chief on three section watch for over a year The RC Div LPO was nowhere near qualifying.

But when you have 13 M-divvers and 5-6 ELTs, there are bodies to spare to lend an E-6 or motivated E-5 to the full-time EWS/EDPO watchbill.

Navy must have changed a lot, our ETs and EMs had a much fatter staffing than M-Div when you looked at the number of watch stations to number of watch standers, the upside being that none of us had to Mess-Cook.    

[Marlin]

  We will have to agree to disagree. Most of the EWS/EDPO function was outside Maneuvering area, the only experience ETs had was the panel and the machinery space they qualified on and the EWS qual was the watch space and operation of same. It was much less of a learning curve for a MM EWS/EDPO, it was an alien environment for ETSs and EMs. I stood watch with the M-Div chief and E-Div chief on three section watch for over a year The RC Div LPO was nowhere near qualifying.


Navy must have changed a lot, our ETs and EMs had a much fatter staffing than M-Div when you looked at the number of watch stations to number of watch standers, the upside being that none of us had to Mess-Cook.    

I should add that MMs had the interim qualification of ERS which is was a good stepping stone to EWS.

[Adamdg51]

I was 9YO and doing my best,......in Little League,...

LOL

[Adamdg51]

You'll rank your two choices from the three rates. You'll also be asked to volunteer subs. You can always volunteer later, but the benefit of doing it in boot is the back paid sub pay that you'll stay to accumulate.

Good luck!

You volunteer for subs in boot? How does the back pay work? and about how much do you end up getting?

[Savage]

After you get sub orders you get back paid to your class up date for A school. Doing simple math with pay charts will help you figure out the amount.

[Atom_breaker]

You volunteer for subs in boot? How does the back pay work? and about how much do you end up getting?

After you get sub orders you get back paid to your class up date for A school. Doing simple math with pay charts will help you figure out the amount.

Good question and answer, but completely off topic. Back pay and attrition rate(the op)are way different. But again, good question. But I'm new who am I to judge..

[Starkist]

Do not volunteer at boot. You will get much more sleep if you just lay low and get through. There is no benefit for being in boot with leadership. Just my opinion but the people with leadership had a rough time. If anything, be a yeoman. Avoid starboard and port watch at all costs, but make friends with them. Forget the iron bill and iron your stuff as soon as you can after lights out. Oh and you will be sleeping under red light for the next two months. Get used to it, it's not bad once you get used to it. Hope for a bottom bunk. If anything choose one while you're in the pearl. You'll get assigned it once you're in your real ship but before that get a bunk as far away from the Rev lift as possible. When you walk into your compartment you will see the lights that aren't on. Those are the red lights. Stay away from them. Good luck. Get sleep now you'll need it.

I was a section leader in boot camp, and I quite enjoyed it. It was definitely a break from the "mindless grind". As for sleep, I got just as much as anyone else did. That said, boot camp "leadership" can be a stepping stone in your career (hear me out...). Section leader in boot camp -> more priority to be class leader in A school -> more priority to be classed in power school -> more likely to get at least an MP eval (couple of us even got EP's) -> etc etc.  While boot camp "leadership" is more or less "meaningless" in the big picture, it can put you into a good mindset and on a good path for the rest of your time in the navy.


As far as sleep goes, if you're concerned about sleep during boot camp... I can't wait for your opinions of "sleep" after you actually do a deployment or two...

Never
Again
Volunteer
Yourself

This is a good way to not advance quickly in the Navy. Its up to you though.

[MMM]

I was a section leader in boot camp, and I quite enjoyed it. It was definitely a break from the "mindless grind". As for sleep, I got just as much as anyone else did. That said, boot camp "leadership" can be a stepping stone in your career (hear me out...). Section leader in boot camp -> more priority to be class leader in A school -> more priority to be classed in power school -> more likely to get at least an MP eval (couple of us even got EP's) -> etc etc.  While boot camp "leadership" is more or less "meaningless" in the big picture, it can put you into a good mindset and on a good path for the rest of your time in the navy.

Unfortunately you evals out of NNPTC and NPTU are transfer evals, so while they look good, they don't affect your PMA (final multiple for advancement) or your ability to take your advancement exam early. Plus, nobody looks at those evals when you get to your ship. The leadership positions will, however, help you build your skills earlier, which gives the possibility of WCS/ALPO/LPO earlier, leading to better evals when they count.

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This is a good way to not advance quickly in the Navy. Its up to you though.
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While I agree, it's better to perform as though you will stay in for 20 years, you can make 1st class in 5-6 years by simply showing up on time and doing what you're told as long as you're a good test taker. However to advance to chief, you have to show initiative and leadership skills, and I have seen sailors do that in under 8 years, some of them were even nukes.

[Starkist]

Unfortunately you evals out of NNPTC and NPTU are transfer evals, so while they look good, they don't affect your PMA (final multiple for advancement) or your ability to take your advancement exam early. Plus, nobody looks at those evals when you get to your ship. The leadership positions will, however, help you build your skills earlier, which gives the possibility of WCS/ALPO/LPO earlier, leading to better evals when they count.

While I agree, it's better to perform as though you will stay in for 20 years, you can make 1st class in 5-6 years by simply showing up on time and doing what you're told as long as you're a good test taker. However to advance to chief, you have to show initiative and leadership skills, and I have seen sailors do that in under 8 years, some of them were even nukes.

Exactly my points

On a side note, I can't freaking believe its been 8 years!  Hope OP got some information he was looking for.

[spekkio]

While I agree, it's better to perform as though you will stay in for 20 years, you can make 1st class in 5-6 years by simply showing up on time and doing what you're told as long as you're a good test taker. However to advance to chief, you have to show initiative and leadership skills, and I have seen sailors do that in under 8 years, some of them were even nukes.

Well, starkist has a bit of a point. If you have a Sailor who merely showed up and did the minimum amount necessary to stay under the radar and sneak out of work early at the opportune time, you're not going to suddenly thrust him into important positions because he's an E-6. Most guys I've talked to say their ER was run on competence not rate, so they're not going to take LPO/WCS/whatever away from someone just because the barely-does-enough-to-not-waste-oxygen guy put on an extra stripe. Eventually that will manifest itself when he goes up for Chief.

[Starkist]

Well, starkist has a bit of a point. If you have a Sailor who merely showed up and did the minimum amount necessary to stay under the radar and sneak out of work early at the opportune time, you're not going to suddenly thrust him into important positions because he's an E-6. Most guys I've talked to say their ER was run on competence not rate, so they're not going to take LPO/WCS/whatever away from someone just because the barely-does-enough-to-not-waste-oxygen guy put on an extra stripe. Eventually that will manifest itself when he goes up for Chief.

Just to back this up, I was put as WCS over 2 e-6's when I was an e-5... awkward situation, but yeah, probably a reason for that. Can't speak on that "chief" thing tho...