Hanford

[MacGyver]

Righto. Good to know that I should lock my car if I  park next to yours lest I 'cause' you to swipe my stereo!  

I think I mis-communicated my point.  I am surprised that you are trying to "rationalize" irrational behavior.

Which is what UncaBuffalo is saying below (e.g. "probably less stable than you").

You are right...it should NOT make you responsible -in a 'logical' kind of way.  

Unfortunately, we are dealing with the emotions of someone (probably less stable than you) who is already in a hurry and isn't going to make a calm decision about you blocking them.

So, please be the extra-civilized person who keeps us all safe by NOT pushing the speeder into road rage.  Thanks!  

That is one of the points made in the links (i.e. stories) provided.

Ways to reduce the risk of accidents
{quoted from: "So you think you're a good driver"}

There's no sure-fire way to prevent accidents. As I said above, accidents are not planned, so therefore it follows that they cannot be planned against - if that makes sense.

What you can do though, is plan to minimise the risk of accident.

Here are some safe driving tips:

Safe driving does not mean like some people think, that travelling around at half or a third of the speed limit will prevent you from having an accident, it will probably increase the chances if you are mimsing along at twenty in a fifty limit, holding up the traffic. At the very least, you are in danger of inciting road rage.

You all be safe out there.

[MacGyver]

Why argue?!?

http://www.mit.edu/~jfc/right.html

[Atomic_Punk]

As if the speeding part isn't bad enough, we have all the a**holes that like to run the redlights on the By-pass.  Every redlight, it seems there's a group of at least five cars that speed up and run through the things.  Keep that crap up and someone's going to die.

Bonds 25....you finally manned up and bought a truck? Atta boy!  ;-D

[turkeypoint1967]

Still no real word on a number that I am hearing.  500 seems to be the common number most are saying.  It does seem sad that we will be losing alot of our junior techs, many of whom seem to be fairly motivated.  That is one thing that always amazes me about a "brotherhood" mind set.  It seems somewhat socialist in the idea that one is not allowed to acheive or move up based on will or performance. 

[RDTroja]

Still no real word on a number that I am hearing.  500 seems to be the common number most are saying.  It does seem sad that we will be losing alot of our junior techs, many of whom seem to be fairly motivated.  That is one thing that always amazes me about a "brotherhood" mind set.  It seems somewhat socialist in the idea that one is not allowed to acheive or move up based on will or performance. 

A Union is 'somewhat' socialist? Does the phrase "Workers of the world, unite!" mean anything to you?

Unions are socialist by definition.

[turkeypoint1967]

That was basicly what I was saying.  I just find the hypocrisy for many of our union brothers and sisters, many of whom make their political leanings well known, to be so entrenched in something as out of control as the beast we refer to as HAMTEC.

[105KW]

Still no real word on a number that I am hearing.  500 seems to be the common number most are saying.  It does seem sad that we will be losing alot of our junior techs, many of whom seem to be fairly motivated.  That is one thing that always amazes me about a "brotherhood" mind set.  It seems somewhat socialist in the idea that one is not allowed to acheive or move up based on will or performance.  

Turkey,

Remember we were ALL motivated back when we were JR's.  WE all came in with the correct idea's and motivations. As anyone with more than a couple of years of experience at  DOE understands that enthusiasm starts to wane. You can only kick a dog so much before his attitude changes, and usually not for the better. You are correct, unions are usually associated with socialism, but not let us not forget that so is social security, welfare, wic, medicare, and many many other programs in the US.   Now to say they ( JR's) are not allowed to achieve more is not correct. They can  "achieve" more ( if moving in into management is what you mean ) pretty darn easily. Some the lowest seniority have moved into rad planning and first line management. Some think this is a move up.   You hardly find anyone with 10 years in the ranks that wants to make the move ( They know better ) unless they are close to retiring and need the 10 % bump for the retirement calculation.


The bottom line is the low seniority folks will be fine. They made some good money, got paid to learn a trade that is usable, got recall rights ( Union security ) and will have separation benefits that alot of us  never had before coming to work here.  If they want most will be back...This place is a swinging door.

[bigdog46]

105KW

Can you elaborate on the quote below?

"You can only kick a dog so much before his attitude changes"

Dogs usually are only kicked when they act up.

[105KW]

You must be in mangement.

[tagline]

That was basicly what I was saying.  I just find the hypocrisy for many of our union brothers and sisters, many of whom make their political leanings well known, to be so entrenched in something as out of control as the beast we refer to as HAMTEC.

I think you hit the nail right on the head Turkeypoint. 105KW seems to have taken offense to what you wrote. His logic is probably the most senseless post I have ever seen on here.

[bigdog46]

"This place is a swinging door."

105KW, don't get on the wrong side of the door and have it locked and welded shut.

[Radiationman85]

Hey lets not forget about the purpose of this thread and not rag on eachother 

Just curious as to how many "techs" will be leaving on a factual or opinionated basis.

thanks

[105KW]

I think you hit the nail right on the head Turkeypoint. 105KW seems to have taken offense to what you wrote. His logic is probably the most senseless post I have ever seen on here.

I didn't take any offense  :-)   I am note sure even what I would taken offense of ? . Everyone has their own idea.  And bigdog I don't think I have much to worry about on the layoff at least this time.

Have a great weekend all

105KW

[bigdog46]

Current projected layoff

1300 exempt/BU personnel+- at CHPRC
300+- expempt/BU at MSA

Open window for self select starts Monday

WRPS? based on 2012 funding profile

WCH add staff based on funding profile

Current RCT/HPT head count 671 RCT/HPTs regulars and temps 76 HPT contractors

105KW you may not get laid off but you may be subject to the bump and roll and end up at WCH, stand by.

[turkeypoint1967]

Big dog, that is about the number being floated, but what do you suppose that means number wise for house hpt's? 

[105KW]

Current projected layoff

1300 exempt/BU personnel+- at CHPRC
300+- expempt/BU at MSA

Open window for self select starts Monday

WRPS? based on 2012 funding profile

WCH add staff based on funding profile

Current RCT/HPT head count 671 RCT/HPTs regulars and temps 76 HPT contractors

105KW you may not get laid off but you may be subject to the bump and roll and end up at WCH, stand by.

Bigdog,

You might have an old list. The most recent list is dated 5/7/11 as of 1:11 am.   54A ( RCT ) show 673 techs with 14 listed as temps that equals 659 full time techs ( Bumpable).  54B show 75 Contractor. Now include the 14 from 54A and you have 89 temp/contract techs. The Temp/Contractor techs must go before any house are released in the layoff.  The bumping process is always a mess and I expect it will be this time too. The largest impact of course will be at -5 where the bulk are low senior. WRPS most likely will pickup some to replace the departing roadtechs. WCH ( eberline ) will take some as replacements also. MSA I don't think will loose any headcount of techs as they have limited number.  Very few if any will take the early out in WRPS as tank farms is not offering any incentive to volunteer as opposed to CHPRC.  Whatever happens, I will not move. DAMN THAT SENIORITY !!!  

[bigdog46]

Funding profiles will drive the final numbers

All contractors will go followed by any temps from the regular list.

That number is about 76 + 14 = 90,

then CHPRC/MSA HPTs that number will be self selects + IROFs current projection is 100-150 based on CHPRC/MSA funding profiles and the total number of HPTs opting for the self select.  Could go much lower.

The real wild card is WRPS and their funding profile.  If it's stable then the above is the best number available today.

If they get cut the numbers will grow.

[Soul Merchant]

Our forefathers certainly did not fight for the right to have a union take dues and then use them for political purposes, without our knowledge/permission/agreement.

[turkeypoint1967]

Agreed.  The mental state of the employees, not all of them, but many, is that of entitlement.  I have put in many years to get where I am at, however, I do what I am told and take some pride in what I do.  The union seems to do nothing more than discourage taking accountability for ones self.  That and their choice of political ideology leaves something to be desired.

[bigdog46]

Turkey,

How true, doing the right thing, and accepting accountability for the bad as well as the good things that happen lead to personal satisfaction and pride in your job/profession.  Additionally your peers and supervisors will be quick to recognize who has pride and who is "on an entitlement program"

[turkeypoint1967]

However, I have not seen it pay dividends in this union, in fact quit the opposite.

[bigdog46]

Doing the right thing (may not be the easy thing to do) always pays, may not be fiscal payment but it always pays.

[RTRT]

When I worked at Hanford my union steward would get on my a** if I didn't take my sick days. He claimed it made the rest of them (who took all their sick days every year) look bad. He also didn't like it if I worked very hard at my job. Some of my fellow techs asked why I put forth the effort, because they were going to do bare minimum and get every raise that I would. That's the attitude that destroys a viable work force. But it is the one that unions promote.

[UncaBuffalo]

When I worked at Hanford my union steward would get on my a** if I didn't take my sick days. He claimed it made the rest of them (who took all their sick days every year) look bad. He also didn't like it if I worked very hard at my job. Some of my fellow techs asked why I put forth the effort, because they were going to do bare minimum and get every raise that I would. That's the attitude that destroys a viable work force. But it is the one that unions promote.

Amen as concerns the Hanford union...I think I may have had the same yoyo for a steward...1996?  But, I have to say I have been in some unions I liked over the years...

[nukewood]

The only thing I gained by working as a union tech at Hanford last year was 20  Lbs, and an addiction to Spudnuts and lengthy card games. Am now back on the the road working commercial plants again,losing weight and trying to shed the slime of the entitlement mentality that was beginning to affect me.