Has anyone heard any word on ANY possible ESRP increase?

[nukewaste7]

I know we just upped the SRB Zone A/B to 90K. That makes the 99,999.99 cap on ESRP seem, well, skimpy, considering a 2yr nub can get damn near as much as me. It's disheartening and rather insulting... to the point that it is NOW the sticking point on my reenlistment.

I have plenty of reasons to stay AND plenty of reasons to leave. The money is enough for me to stay, but now the principle of the matter has raised MY asking price.

So are there any rumors floating about regarding raising ESRP and/or the TOTAL cap?



I would REALLY like $150k, and that's really all that will keep me in at this point.


-Shawn

[Gamecock]

Come one, Chief!!!

Don't let your ego keep you from continuing your service just because a "nub" gets the same amount of reenlistment money as you.  And, I hope you aren't bitter towards the guys that work for you who are getting the cash either. 

Instead of feeling insulted, feel proud.  Its because people like you who have worked hard and done such a great job and then bailed at the 6 year point the Big Navy has recognized the need to offer more cash to keep the future best and the brightest around.

I'm guessing your zone B guy.  Simple economics also come in to play.....the navy doesn't need to pay you more to keep you around. 

Bottom line...if your holding out for $150 over six  (which is exactly the same as a nuclear officer...$25K*6=$150,000), then you might want to polish up that resume

[JustinHEMI05]

Come one, Chief!!!

Don't let your ego keep you from continuing your service just because a "nub" gets the same amount of reenlistment money as you.  And, I hope you aren't bitter towards the guys that work for you who are getting the cash either. 

Instead of feeling insulted, feel proud.  Its because people like you who have worked hard and done such a great job and then bailed at the 6 year point the Big Navy has recognized the need to offer more cash to keep the future best and the brightest around.

I'm guessing your zone B guy.  Simple economics also come in to play.....the navy doesn't need to pay you more to keep you around. 

Bottom line...if your holding out for $150 over six  (which is exactly the same as a nuclear officer...$25K*6=$150,000), then you might want to polish up that resume

That is the biggest load of BS possibly ever posted on nuke worker. He is right, and he should leave. He is worth way more than any officer any day and to suggest otherwise is foolish.

Justin

[cincinnatinuke]

That is the biggest load of BS possibly ever posted on nuke worker. He is right, and he should leave. He is worth way more than any officer any day and to suggest otherwise is foolish.

Justin

Dont take this the wrong way, but since when did ETC become worth more than an officer?  ie When does chief get to out earn an O-ganger?  At least a qualifed one.  Rank has its privelages and those pay tables are no secret.  If one desires officer pay, go and get that commission.

Besides I think the OP's comments were directed at subordinates making as much as him in terms of bonus.  Is it really suprising that following that same logic an officer would question an enlisted member making as much as him?

And no I have not personally heard of caps going up.  It seems logical that if they went up for A/B, then other zones will follow.

[JustinHEMI05]

Dont take this the wrong way, but since when did ETC become worth more than an officer?  ie When does chief get to out earn an O-ganger?  At least a qualifed one.  Rank has its privelages and those pay tables are no secret.  If one desires officer pay, go and get that commission.

Besides I think the OP's comments were directed at subordinates making as much as him in terms of bonus.  Is it really suprising that following that same logic an officer would question an enlisted member making as much as him?

And no I have not personally heard of caps going up.  It seems logical that if they went up for A/B, then other zones will follow.

Sorry, but I just don't like an outdated system that really needs fixed but the people that should be fixing it instead tell other to suck it up. My rant wasn't so much about a chief making more than an officer as it was about and officer telling a chief to suck it up.

Justin

[cincinnatinuke]

Its too bad the standards couldnt have remained the way they were from years past (from what I am told..... ) and we could have all been Warrant Officers or something like that.  I heard that was once considered.

Coming from where you guys are coming from, getting out cant be easy.  One and done makes life simpler.  10,12, 15 years and khaki......I cant really fathom how close to either DNB or DO you blood must be.  I figure you guys have had to put up and shut up for quite a bit of time now and to feel its not worth it.......well I cant honestly say "come on guys".  All though the orginal poster did smack of triviality this was likely the straw that broke his back.

Chief, take HC's advice and join us in CIVLANT.  Start fresh and dont look back.

Or stay in and know you are in our prayers.  Either way the choice cannot be easy

[DSO]

I know we just upped the SRB Zone A/B to 90K. That makes the 99,999.99 cap on ESRP seem, well, skimpy, considering a 2yr nub can get damn near as much as me. It's disheartening and rather insulting... to the point that it is NOW the sticking point on my reenlistment.

I have plenty of reasons to stay AND plenty of reasons to leave. The money is enough for me to stay, but now the principle of the matter has raised MY asking price.

So are there any rumors floating about regarding raising ESRP and/or the TOTAL cap?



I would REALLY like $150k, and that's really all that will keep me in at this point.


-Shawn

I don't think the Navy is  looking at it as a nub is worth more than you--they just figure the chances are that someone with more time in at Zone "C" (probably around 10-12 years in) will more likely stay in to finish up at 20 years for the retirement, so why give him more or as much as someone that doesn't have much time invested (as an "A" zone sailor)that doesn't have much time to lose by getting out  and needs to be enticed soley by the bonus---and the Navy knows that that large bonus can possibly keep them in. Its about supply and demand. I have seen as the outside economy worsens and the job market dries up that all bonuses go down and as the job market gets better--the bonuses go up. There is some Naval statistician sitting somewhere that must figure this stuff out. Heck, there are jobs less skilled than may others here in Civlant that get additional sign on bonuses just because they have a harder time finding the candidates ( ie Electric Utility Lineman)--again supply and demand.

[nukewaste7]

I suppose I did not go into great depth when I posted my original reasons. I was really only asking a question and giving at least a glimpse as to WHY I was asking.

Me? I am at 10y 8mo, set to get out at my 14y 2mo. 23mo of this time is an OBLISERV for CONSUBPAY and for time to actually FINISH shore duty at NFAS. I won't go indepth on my qualifications, I'm qualified everything (except EDMC) and that will come soon enough.

I hate leaving my kids, and honestly they don't take it too well. But, their short discomfort is worth ensuring I have a bountiful college fund for them. The allure of CIVLANT is huge since it could pay someone as competitive and detail oriented as myself, with six figures. Combine that with NO SEA DUTY, and it's an easy decision. Do I really need to point out how many NEW nuclear power plants there are in production, or that the old generation of operators are retiring soon? Forget nuclear power even, I'm a training guy and could fit in easily in any corporate environment.

However, I do enjoy my job and look forward to serving as an EDMC. A bigger bonus WOULD in fact be the equalizer, and make the playing field more level.

I'm definitely zone C. I did not STAR, and have only received one bonus ever. I've had a good time, but it's really feeling like my service is coming to an end. So, more than complaining about the bonus, I'm looking for an excuse to stay when everything is saying NO.

Thanks for your replies guys.

-Shawn

[ddklbl]

The answers to your questions aren't on this board.  They are with a CCC or CMC that is worth his weight.  If they don't know the answer, someone in Washington or Millington aren't but a phone call away.

[ddklbl]

Shipmate, no one on this board would know the big navy's intent for the SRB program like a CCC or CMC.  There are a few people I can think of that might, I don't know their professional history well enough to say for certain.  Anyone who comes here asking if they should stay or go is more than likely going to hear LEAVE from commercial guys and STAY by the active duty ones. 

I feel that a majority of Shawns questions aren't going to be answered here because his real questions are probably more personnal than any of us could really adequately give advice on.  I became rather close with my CCC.  He was a good guy who on more than one occasion picked up the phone, dialed a number, and said "Talk to Joe, he'll have the answer".  We talked for a while on the pros and cons of the military, professional developement, family well being.  I shudder to think that he may have been acting as my mentor.  My CCC knew my personnal feelings about work and family, and told me what I already knew: the Navy wasn't in my best interests anymore.  How's that for advice from a Navy Career Counselor who just pinned me a year earlier?

Shawn, we on this board can give you all the facts you want.  Apply here, expect this salary, this company sucks because of the following reasons...  However, I think you need to sit down and talk to someone you trust implicitly and hash out wether or not leaving at your 14 year point is in your best interest.  Decisions like this shouldn't be based entirely on money and bonuses.  Maybe getting out is in your best interests, maybe not.

If you're asking me; get the hell out.  That's easy, because I am already out.  But, like I said, you don't know me from Adam, Shipmate.

Everyone, how about a round of shipmate sandwhich's for HC.  I am feeling rather jovial this morning.