Perry

[Rather Hunt Than Tech]

RRhoads, you forgot the part about sticking a broom up your a _ _ so you can sweep up as you walk around.

[RRhoads]

Wow..was not there for that one!
oh well..it's only temporary!

[Dave Warren]

I am surprised there is nothing written about Perry's outage yet.  I will be there on March 9th for 3 weeks.  I haven't heard anything good through the grape vine.  Short on tech's, lots of PCE's, uptakes, etc.  I guess I'll find out whats true and whats not next week.

We are currently looking at just under 400 REM Goal for the outage. We have 35 PCE's through Day 10 of the outage. Sticks are coming out of the pot at a nice clip. Uptakes?? Not sure where that one came from....If all goes well the unit will be up and running the same day the IRS expects you to have your taxes in......An outage is an outage is an outage....Chaos = cash

[RRhoads]

Holy Crap!
Just under 400 P-Rem for the outage
We'd get hammered severly if we had that as our Dose goal!
Same for the PCE "goal"!
Turn 'em & burn 'em!

[retired nuke]

OK, looking at it old school -

400 P-Rem for a 50+ day outage is 8 Rem/day...still high. Esp for a big boiler with enough room to get away from things...

35 PCEs @ day 10....plots to 175  for the outage.... not great, but not awful bad if those are real numbers and not just the ones that couldn't get deconned before they got to the checkpoint.

Hope it smooths out. Never been to Perry, but I've been to big boilers.....busy outages.

Peace, 

[Smart People]

Less than 400 Rem is a huge improvement for this plant. This plant has the highest source term of any plant. the hope is that the Chemical Decon that was so successful at the sister plant River Bend will be equally successful here and bring us closer in line with the industry standard.

[wlrun3@aol.com]

Less than 400 Rem is a huge improvement for this plant. This plant has the highest source term of any plant. the hope is that the Chemical Decon that was so successful at the sister plant River Bend will be equally successful here and bring us closer in line with the industry standard.

   ...how does the chemical decon work...

   ...when in the refuel evolution is the decon performed...

   ...where is the decon system attached to the primary...

   ...did first chem decons at summer and duane and would like to know how the process has advanced especially at your BWR Model 6...



   

[Rather Hunt Than Tech]

Chemical Decon is ongoing at this time, so the results are not in yet.

Today was considered the mid point of the outage.  Currently ~ 215 rem and 110 PCE's.
There are some small cracks in the Low Pressure Turbine on the wheel that holds the blades.  They are machining to see how deep they go.

[Dave Warren]

Latest word on the street is that all the Bartlett Carnival Workers, including myself, are outta here by 4/17/09.

Chemical decon is knocking the dose rates down by 40-60%. Perry may even lose their "One of the worst BWR dose plants in the nation" ranking. Well, let's not get ahead of ourselves.

Anyway, the powers that be are getting excited about the Chem Decon results. The outage is winding down and the weather is starting to break. Open the beach, baby.....

[Rather Hunt Than Tech]

Bartlett was not all out by the 17th.  Don't know how many are still there.  The outage is still not over, currently trying to heat up and get on line.  Currently 576 rem and 252 PCE's.

[Dave Warren]

The unit will shut down Sunday, April 17th at midnight. The Outage Planning Team states they will complete the outage in 33 days. The people that work here on a regular basis say it will go from 45-75 days, depending on just how long they have been here...

Each outage, it seems as if the wheel reinvention team gets more funding. They had trouble getting Senior Techs, so DZ instituted a bonus of $7,750 if you complete the outage. Before you knew it, the technicians crawled out from under rocks to accept a job here. Funny how money talks.

I am working the ALARA gig for the outage, so I don't get involved in the technician battles, but the house guys all get along with the carnies here. This will be the warm weather outage, so the weather won't suck so bad this time.

IMHO, the outage will go 46 days. In my wallet's opinion, it will go 75 days.

[retired nuke]

Any info on the fatality at Perry?

NRC event report 48769 @ 2/29/13
TRANSPORT OF POTENTIALLY CONTAMINATED WORKER AND SUBSEQUENT FATALITY

[milo124]

Wow.  Don't know the details but sad news.  Especially after reading this http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2013/01/firstenergys_perry_nuclear_pla.html

[Dave Warren]

The man was a carpenter. He was working in the RCIC room, which is a Contaminated Area. He had a medical event (heart attack, stroke, seizure) while exiting the scaffold platform, on the ladder traversing down to the floor. He fell into a protruding scaffold pole, which contacted the back of his head and he hit the floor after that. CPR was administered and was showing good signs, but when they transported him to the RCA exit, they had to use the AED. That was not working, so they started to pump his chest as they were wheeling him out. After that, we heard he expired at the hospital.

He was in his early 40's, leaving a wife and 2 kids. He was a great guy and great coworker. Remember folks, life is not permanent. Kiss and hug your loved ones every day and say "I love you" as much as you can.

[Dave Warren]

Wow.  Don't know the details but sad news.  Especially after reading this http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2013/01/firstenergys_perry_nuclear_pla.html

As far as this story goes, this reminds me of when I was at Lasalle in 1997. The NRC has basically stated that if you have a good outage and you stop pumping out Human Performance violations, you can continue on your merry way. If not, they will ask Perry to put the vehicle in Park, open all the doors, give us the keys and step out of the vehicle.....Then, its a 2-year carnival for contractors and consultants trying to get Perry back on the tracks after derailment.

Hopefully, they can get their act together and get the white stuff flowing out of the cooling tower. Otherwise, the NRC will be renting a house long-term here in the village of Perry.

[atomicarcheologist]

I have a nuclear acquaintance working the Perry outage. He's complaining about  lack of PPE such as proper sized shoe covers, shortage of Framtex coveralls, even surgeons gloves.
Is this really a problem at the outage?
Is this a problem for the power plant sector?

[hamsamich]

sometimes....

[tagline]

I have a nuclear acquaintance working the Perry outage. He's complaining about  lack of PPE such as proper sized shoe covers, shortage of Framtex coveralls, even surgeons gloves.
Is this really a problem at the outage?
Is this a problem for the power plant sector?

What your friend said is TRUE !

[SloGlo]

pnpp makes the knews

http://www.wkyc.com/mb/news/local/lake-county/take-a-look-at-perry-nuclear-power-plant/424652738

[Dave Warren]

Perry has a history of not having supplies and stocking the lowest amount of "stuff" they can. I guess you could look at it from a business perspective and say, they are spending as little as possible before they either shut down or sell to an Entergy or FPL or Exelon, all of which have been rumored to be buyers.

I think you will find that most places do have all they need, if they know how to order supplies for a refueling outage. Remember, not all of these plants use the same procedures, processes and mindset. Some do it great and some do it ass-backwards.

Once you try an outage from each utility, you will get an idea of which one knows their stuff and which one couldn't pour piss out of a boot with directions on the bottom.

[GLW]

Perry has a history of not having supplies and stocking the lowest amount of "stuff" they can. I guess you could look at it from a business perspective and say, they are spending as little as possible before they either shut down or sell to an Entergy or FPL or Exelon, all of which have been rumored to be buyers.

I think you will find that most places do have all they need, if they know how to order supplies for a refueling outage. Remember, not all of these plants use the same procedures, processes and mindset. Some do it great and some do it ass-backwards.

Once you try an outage from each utility, you will get an idea of which one knows their stuff and which one couldn't pour piss out of a boot with directions on the bottom.

the paradigm has also been known to vary at the same site within the same utility from projects such as SGRP to routine refueling outages,...

as stated above,....  it's business,...

[atomicarcheologist]

the paradigm has also been known to vary at the same site within the same utility from projects such as SGRP to routine refueling outages,...

as stated above,....  it's business,...

I keep hearing and reading about the increased safety profile at the nukes, especially during outages. How does having shortages of PPE square with safety in a business sense?

[Laundry Man]

Typically laundry vendor(s) that actually sell, lease and wash the product have a thorough working knowledge of the past PPE use for each facility.  There is pre-outage communication between the vendor and the client to hash out the correct amounts which can change drastically if one or more major project is also happening during an outage.  While not an exact science, there is enough historical information on PPE use during outages to make it close.  The size changes over the years is interesting.  Not as much small & medium coveralls but much more 3XL and up.  Custom 7XL coveralls are huge!
LM

[GLW]

I keep hearing and reading about the increased safety profile at the nukes, especially during outages. How does having shortages of PPE square with safety in a business sense?

not so much shortages as emergent conditions,....

e.g. - SGRP: there will be LOTS of people, there will be a huge need, might as well front load as much as you can to keep things moving, and then wind down as the SGRP closes out, which also takes several weeks,...

routine refueling outage: 3 weeks long and intensely scheduled down to the number of people, the number of jumps, and the RIFs are by the hour in most instances anymore, THEN trouble with a seal or a pump, or a  valve and that tight schedule is pushed by hours or days, THEN the PPE may become problematic, also a lot of contracts are requiring the vendors to supply the consumable PPE items as the utility is not as free with these items as some folks are accustomed to (bending the cost curve down stuff aka the nuclear promise),...

I could go on, but you've been around a long time, it should all make sense now,...

[SloGlo]

eye dunno about these hi faluting last too posts, butt at this outage their has bin chronic shortfalls on items, most of witch where previously mentioned. aye over herd a supervisor say that disposable items could knot bee ordered until they had run out of them.