combining nuke rates into one rate, like the SEALs

[ELgringoGRANDE]

The Navy just combined the SEALs in to one rate. I would presume that it would be easier to manage the career field

I was wondering if the Navy has in mind a similar idea for the Nuclear program

[sovbob]

Well, both ELTs and Mechanics are Machinist Mates (MMs), so they're already consolidated.  The only difference is ELTs go to further schooling and get a different NEC.

It wouldn't be too much of a stretch to imagine consolidating Electricians Mates (EMs) and Electronics Technicians (ETs) into a single rate.  Half of the equipment I worked on as an EM had digital controllers in them anyway.

I have not heard any mention of consolidating nuke ratings.  But if they did, it would probably combine EMs and ETs together.

[Neutron_Herder]

There was quite a bit of discussion about 10 years ago of consolidating the EM and ET rate under the ET umbrella, but nothing ever came of it.

I think their final answer was to basically generate nuclear ratings such as ETN, EMN, and MMN.  I'm not sure if they'll go any further with it than that or not.

[braveliltoast3r]

The idea was discarded at the highest levels because the top brass simply couldn't justify grouping the god-like rating of EM with that of lesser, lowlier ratings 

[co60slr]

The idea was discarded at the highest levels because the top brass simply couldn't justify grouping the god-like rating of EM with that of lesser, lowlier ratings 

Or...perhaps they wanted to minimize the number of people that occasionally get covered in carbon dust during MG cleaning.

<grin>

[Content1]

I had alway heard the elete was the ET, the lesser were the EM (Electrical Mechanisc) and MM (Monkey Mates), so the ET could never consider the lowly EM joining their ranks.   

[Marlin]

I had alway(s) heard the elete (-1 sp) elite was the ET, the lesser were the EM (Electrical Mechanisc  ) -1 sp Mechanic and MM (Monkey Mates), so the ET could never consider the lowly EM joining their ranks.  

Here we go again,    I had a much easier time qualifying EWS than any ET I served with and scored higher in electrical and electronics than those in boot camp that became ETs who tanked their mechanical scores, of course the natural progression is to the "real" elite status of ELT.  

[Fermi2]

Your basic ELT is the only Nuke that walks erect and has opposable thumbs. Some say it was the hard work and raw courage of the ELT that ended the Cold War, some say.

Mike

[Preciousblue1965]

It is a simple matter of mathmatics to prove which one is superior

Observe......

If you add Education and Technology you will get ET,

So you have ET

Now take away Technology and add some Manliness and you get EM

So now it is
ET-T+M=EM

Now take the EM, realize he is already Educated, and actually has twice the Manhood as anyone else and you get MM

So in review

Education + Technology=ET

ET-T+Manliness(M)=EM

Since E is now assumed, add another element of M to get EM-E+M=MM

Thus all roads lead to MM.

[withroaj]

...

Thus all roads lead to MM.

...Which is the stepping stone all ELT's used to begin their journey to greatness.  Well put, precious. 

[Preciousblue1965]

...Which is the stepping stone all ELT's used to begin their journey to greatness.  Well put, precious. 

Well with the new auto analyzers, the math for ELT looks a little more like this

Education and Technology=ET

ET+Lazy(L)=ELT   

[rumrunner]

Some say it was the hard work and raw courage of the ELT that ended the Cold War

That has always been my view.  I remember the wimp ET's and EM's hiding in EOS while we ELT's boldly ventured from the air-conditioned confines of Nucleonics (God, I love the name and whoever thought it up) and strode into the heat of the steam plant to do our secondary samples and save the ship from certain disaster.    It was a tremendous sacrifice, but one I was proud to make.

[EasyLivin]

A wise sailor once explained to me, "There are really only two types of nukes, ELTs and nukes who wish that they were ELTs". So, in reality, the nuke ratings have been combined for quite a while now.

[Fermi2]

That has always been my view.  I remember the wimp ET's and EM's hiding in EOS while we ELT's boldly ventured from the air-conditioned confines of Nucleonics (God, I love the name and whoever thought it up) and strode into the heat of the steam plant to do our secondary samples and save the ship from certain disaster.    It was a tremendous sacrifice, but one I was proud to make.

I nearly wept at my own courage and sacrifice.

Mike

[Creeker]

I nearly wept at my own courage and sacrifice.

Your basic ELT is the only Nuke that walks erect and has opposable thumbs.

There are really only two types of nukes, ELTs and nukes who wish that they were ELTs

I think I just threw up in my mouth...

[HydroDave63]

I nearly wept at my own courage and sacrifice.

Mike

Isn't that why the movie about ELTs was called "The Crying Game"?

[JustinHEMI05]

I think I just threw up in my mouth...

Statistics show that what they say is true. Take a poll of who is out there running the commercial nukes, you might be surprised to find out which rate (ELT) is in charge.

[Creeker]

OK.. that's fair... I'll poll our current 6 CRSs, SMs,  the OPS Supt and Manager.  Results to be had shortly... (Meaning tomorrow night) 

[Fermi2]

Isn't that why the movie about ELTs was called "The Crying Game"?

Disrespectful Philistine !

[Fermi2]

Shift Manager Numero Uno King Eagle Stud Hoss is a former ELT.

[Creeker]

We're a little bit busy with outage, but talking and referring to the USAR....

Looking at OPS leadership and SMs
4 started as engineers
2 as NSOs
5 former navy MMs
2 former navy electricians

One of the MMs was conventional.. The other 4... Not sure.  

Draw your own conclusions.

[Creeker]

you had to bury your ruby slippers in a bucket out behind the prototype,....

ELT's can never go back to Kansas,....

Hahaha...
That might not have been the conclusion I initially drew, but I do like yours better.  Especially this time of the morning.

[JustinHEMI05]

My ops director and superintendent were ex elts.

[Adam Grundleger]

On the contrary,  I was an ELT and I'm the site ANII at Wolf Creek.  Not Ops, Hp or Chemistry, but the organizational skills and time management I learned as the mightiest of all rates comes in fairly handy. 

ANII= Authorized Nuclear Inservice Inspector.  Translation: Federally and (sometimes) state commissioned inspector employed by an insurance company to perform NRC mandated (10CFR50.55a) independent third party inspections primarily regarding inservice inspection, new construction, and repair/replacement.

Just goes to show that ELTs can do anything.  (Even those of us who weren't super-sat sailors.) Easily three quarters of my company is ex-Navy nuke.

[LT Dan]

Hello.  I'm a nuclear-trained Navy LT (~6.5 years) who dropped his letter and is getting out in December...

The biggest question I have is where I would fit in with civilian power. 

So I say, a Janitor.

Mike

Wow.

And here I thought that us navy folk were only qualified to be janitors.

Looks like we do better then some people like to give credit for.

[Content1]

So from the posts the pecking order is:

ELT
ET
EM
MM

BM 

In a twist of irony, only an MM's can become an ELT.   Life is not fair.

[withroaj]

So from the posts the pecking order is:

ELT
ET
EM
MM

BM 

In a twist of irony, only an MM's can become an ELT.   Life is not fair.

Close.  It goes more like:

ELT

MM/EM/ET (in any order)

[rumrunner]

the organizational skills and time management I learned as the mightiest of all rates comes in fairly handy. 

And that is the secret to being an excellent ELT .  Being able to manage many things simultaneously and timing them in some cases to the second without being distracted by other things.  Really, it wasn't so much about being some sort of chemistry genius as it was being able to juggle and know the specs and how to stay within them, even when the nomographs told you otherwise.

[Smooth Operator]

Yet another good discussion decomposing into yet another cliche of rating round-a-bout. Aren't there enough of these rating bashing threads already stinking up these boards. Geeze nukes, get over it!! We were trying to discuss merging the ratings, which makes sense with the future of more automated ERs and reduced manning....and then the discussion goes to mudslinging again, as always, and it pisses me off, because for the last damn times, ELTs are awesome and the rest of you all suck. 

[Fermi2]

AS an impartial observer I'd have to say the ELT's are the most focused and get up go types of all the Navy Nukes.
Their Can Do attitude and Git R Done mentality should be mantras for the lesser nuke types to live by.

[JsonD13]

I dont see a rating merger being able to happen unless you can have a specialty NEC like mechanical, electrical, RADCON, chemistry, etc.  Operating the plant may be one thing, especially when automation comes into play, but you cannot perform PMS and corrective maintenance without a strong background in that specialty. 

The Navy should take a look at how civilian plants operate, and model this if they are looking at changing their program.  Most of the plants on the outside already have most valves and equipment operable from the control room, yet there are still different maintenance trades as well as operators.  Not saying that they could achieve the same thing being that they have much less people, but maybe make everyone an operator but each person has a specialty rating.

Jason

[BuddyThePug]

So from the posts the pecking order is:

ELT
ET
EM
MM

BM 

In a twist of irony, only an MM's can become an ELT.   Life is not fair.

Isn't that like how the pawn gets to the end of the chessboard, and becomes a Queen? 

[bradley535]

Isn't that like how the pawn gets to the end of the chessboard, and becomes a Queen?  

Queen, huh?... Yeah, I guess that would fairly well describe about every ELT I've known.

As for combining rates; I've heard that one since I joined in 2001. Eight years later, I've been in and have gotten out, and I'm still hearing about it but seeing no real steps. I'm not real sure it's a good idea. I've known great MMs that would have been horrible ETs. I've known great ETs that I wouldn't trust to turn a scuttlebutt valve. If you combined the rates you'd have to put a lot of people into positions that they aren't comfortable with, or you'd have to exclude a lot of people from positions they would otherwise be great at. If it can be pulled off, then Kudos to the one who can come up with a viable solution; but I've yet to see one.