Hanford

[Radiationman85]

There was a letter that just came out for 1000 to be layed off at PFP??? Not sure if its all legit but thats what I just herd. Weird after they just brought back techs.

[snowman]

There was a letter that just came out for 1000 to be layed off at PFP??? Not sure if its all legit but thats what I just herd. Weird after they just brought back techs.

You herd wrong. They aren't 1000 people at PFP to be laid off. The DOE last fall gave the four major contractors at Hanford the OK to lay off up to 1000 employees during the fiscal year 2012. And apparently with the new budgets coming out, that hour at Hanford is fast approaching. 

[duke99301]

good stop wasting my tax money on something that will never be cleaned. its better to pay the operators to keep an eye on the site. keep in the the 2 east and west buril grounds and track the waste in the tanks it has worked for 45 plus years all it has done was take moeny from good hard workers where it could be spent on new roads and POWER plants
give me a break they give rad techs trucks to drive into town to wash off.
duh they have cleaning stations at site not at burger king , ok did you work ot and were at the atomic lanes casino .
oh we had a DOE hp on our last job made a good jr tech. I think the  use of FOB is not allowed have to be nice.
But I was there when they did have problems with certain good guys saying they were at work when they were in town on a sunday. there are people who do try to take system. any ways we have or people at every site.

[devildog]

Sound like the Duke can't hang at the Lazy H. Sounds like this Carnie is Jealous. Let's think about this, who is smarter, the Hanford RCT or the Carnie Duke. The Hanford RCT sleeps in his own bed with his own family every night. The most likely multiple time divorced Carnie named Duke travels around the country sleeping in sleazy hotels while someone else is at his home sleeping with his wife. What sounds better: $37 an hour, unlimited overtime, no respirators or $20 an hour sucking rubber all day working outages? I made 150K last year, how much did you make last year Dukie?  You make yourself look quite silly with your atrocious spelling and grammar. (That means bad) I could run circles around you as an HPT. You wouldn't last a week at PFP friend. Let's just pay the operators to sit there and watch the Plutonium instead of cleaning it up. Good call Dukie! After reading your post, it is apparent to me that you have an IQ bordering on mentally disabled, and I am shocked that there are people at our nation's power plants calling themselves HPT's with your intelligence level. You are the reason they stopped building power plants in America. It is obvious to me that is doesn't take brains or intelligence to be an HPT at a power plant, but as you mentioned in your post, Burger King is always looking for a good washed up, middle aged, 4 time divorced, back child support owing, milkshake maker. Yes I will have cheese with my whopper. How about 150K worth of cheese Dukie!

[roadhp]

Better watch what you say, Devildog, you might have to prove it.  As far as the PFP goes, I worked the equivalent job at SRS, and worked the tank farm at Hanford.  I might be a "Carnie", but I can hold my head up high and say I worked for my money.  Except at Hanford.  Even at SRS, we did jobs with the right number of techs, not more, but not less than what was necessary.  At Hanford, there were normally more techs than workers, with most of them standing around begging to watch work instead of sitting in the truck.  Most of the techs at the projects were good people to work with, but others in the other areas were always stopping their jobs so they could find fault with ours.
Try working an outage one time and see who is the better tech.  And remember that "everything that has a beginning has an end"  Just look at Rocky Flats to see what is coming down the road for Hanford.  Its already started.

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[snowman]

Rocky Flats was a 176 acre site that was worked around the clock for 10 years to clean up. The contamination was mostly confined to the glove boxes inside buildings. Hanford is a 500 square mile site that is the most complex environmental cleanup in the world and has been ongoing for over 20 years. An HP tech has to be present to stick a shovel in the ground anywhere on that site.  The people who work out there know it will not last forever but the cleanup will still be there long after we are all gone. It is that big, that complex. To compare Rocky Flats to Hanford is like comparing Palo Verde to a university research reactor, and I've been to all four. As far as the quality of technician at DOE sites, I've worked with the gamut, both at commercial and DOE. There is no correlation. Is Hanford run the most efficient, cost effective way possible? No. But there are a myriad reasons of why that is happening, very few of which are in the technicians control.

But to get back on topic, the union numbers at Hanford are in flux right now. A few folks have been called back but people out there are holding their collective breath for the layoffs that will be coming later this year. My wag on HP numbers after the fallout? 400

[105KW]

 I am betting between 450 and for 480...Thats is until Eshi starts the ramp down, then 400 sounds reasonable.. Have great weekend everyone !

105KW

[roadhp]

Rocky Flats was a 176 acre site that was worked around the clock for 10 years to clean up. The contamination was mostly confined to the glove boxes inside buildings. Hanford is a 500 square mile site that is the most complex environmental cleanup in the world and has been ongoing for over 20 years. An HP tech has to be present to stick a shovel in the ground anywhere on that site.  The people who work out there know it will not last forever but the cleanup will still be there long after we are all gone. It is that big, that complex. To compare Rocky Flats to Hanford is like comparing Palo Verde to a university research reactor, and I've been to all four. As far as the quality of technician at DOE sites, I've worked with the gamut, both at commercial and DOE. There is no correlation. Is Hanford run the most efficient, cost effective way possible? No. But there are a myriad reasons of why that is happening, very few of which are in the technicians control.

My point is that after the cleanup started at Rocky Flats, the "house techs" who were telling the workers the contractors didn't know anything about RP soon found themselves working for the contract companies when there were no more house techs.  All of us were in the Steelworkers union, but when we first joined the union, we had to join a local out of Pueblo because the local in I think it was Boulder wouldn't allow us to join.  Now the signs are there that Hanford is heading the same way, with union numbers going down, projects getting awarded to smaller individual companies, which will hire the carnies due to the short term nature and cost savings.  And although I haven't had the pleasure of working at a research reactor, unless you include the DOE research reactors, I have worked at 11 of the major DOE sites including Hanford and SRS, 10 years Navy, and dozens of commercial sites, including Palo Verde.

[Rennhack]

Enough with the 'Carnie" talk. we are all one family.  Embrace each other as brothers and sisters.  United we stand, divided we fall.

[RDTroja]

Enough with the 'Carnie" talk. we are all one family.  Embrace each other as brothers and sisters.  United we stand, divided we fall.

Some people are just too insecure to see others as their equals.

[devildog]

There are good and bad technicians everywhere you go. I am currently employed by DOE and have been for the last decade, but I was also a CARNIE in my previous life. I did the road thing for 11 years before I came here because the outages were short and I found a home. Remember, Duke started this cycle of negativity with his put downs of Hanford RCT's comparing us to Juniors at Nuke Plants. As you all can see, I rarely post much, but Duke really upset me. He obviously has no idea what is going on out here as I work pretty dang hard for my money. I do admit, there is down time, and a fair amount of laziness, but that has nothing to do with my work ethic. It has to do with errors in procedures, work packages, and issues way above my pay grade. I have worked at Diablo for 4 years and if you know anything about being a Carnie, you know that only the best work Diablo. There are good techs in both industries, and there are bad techs in both industries. It is a shame that many of the techs pass judgement on DOE based off of inaccurate biases. The work is different. I learned how to excel as a Roadie, and I have learned how to excel as a DOE House Technician. I have ambition and heart and I am willing to work hard when I am asked to do so.

[GLW]

Same players, same mud slinging, different thread,...

http://www.nukeworker.com/forum/index.php/topic,26218.0.html

You guys need to start a Hanford haters thread,...

Peace,.... 

[Rennhack]

There are good and bad technicians everywhere you go. ... but I was also a CARNIE in my previous life... Remember, Duke started this cycle of negativity with his put downs of Hanford RCT's ... Duke really upset me. He obviously has no idea what is going on

I agree with everything you said, except with the use of 'carnie'.  I'm just surprised that you stooped to duke99301's level.

[Rennhack]

Same players, same mud slinging, different thread,...
http://www.nukeworker.com/forum/index.php/topic,26218.0.html
You guys need to start a Hanford haters thread,...

I have merged the threads.

[duke99301]

Nice call devil dog I really do not need to work  to much this phase in my life I can pick and chose as for being an RCT or hp or what ever sorry not my small field.But as it go's I do have friends there most of the place. Most of them should have been put out to pasture a long time ago.
but I seen a 77 year old rp at my site during this outage taken out in fact two went out.
so dog save your money do the right thing and maybe you will not be one of the ones still coming in past retirement
as for my wife you do not know her. it shows your level and I will not go there,
oh by the way I spent 11 years of my life at the big H when the place was running.I left the place when the party was over and they gave VROF.  When I was there rad con was a support group and thats all they are.
it was sad for me when I worked Columbia station and seen the 300 area look like a dump. but thats wha happens when funding is pulled , But I see no future of having people sitting on a dirt job doing little of nothing.
from what I see they need better oversite. oh i do not stay in flea bags motels I roll with a new state of the at RV. or if I chose I fly to the site they put me in the hampton and I have a rental car as for PFP it was called 234-5 Z plantad I was there I closed the room that went Boom with 4 other operaters when it was called  do to the fact it would not come clean. or you can go in to the redox canyon but  then agin you would be bruned out in 15 min.

[Rad Honey]

Hope y'all don't have to eat your words.
Hanford had a shake and bake class. The burger king people came in for money and thinking they could be here for years. Two years later they are seniors, ha. Plant seniors take six years. When the lay off hit, they where offered to take the Northeast test, not many pasted, and if they did it was with help. Whining it was to hard, now that is nuclear, not digging dirt, or playing at PFP, which I have worked at. Y'all think you are seniors I can work plants, wrong. And for the ones who are old timers from the real world, you might dislike plants as an HP, but it kept food on the table.
DOE people have no idea about the real world of plants, to lazy to see a different state. To comfortable in a desert state. I totally enjoyed my visiting every state that had a plant, so now we are smart a-----, because I didn't chose to sit and wait for my family to pay my bills. I can say been there saw it done it.

[devildog]

Duke, I will try to use small words,so you can understand what i am saying. It's great that you don't have to work. There are lots of 70 year old millionaire HPT's out here too. They just like waking up at 3 AM and standing outside all day so they choose not to retire. (right) I can only make out about half of your post. I am not sure if you are insulting me, or agreeing with me. There is a button called SPELL CHECK at the bottom of the page. You should really try to use it. I do agree with you that they need better oversite. The people running this place are one step under Mafia.
A bunch of thugs from Rocky Flats. They ran that place like a bunch of criminals and now they are trying to do the same up here. Sorry that I have to be brief, but some of my other HPT buddies are down at the "Atomic Casino" on double time, using taxpayer money to gamble and they are saving me a spot! When I was a Roadie, they never flew us to the plants so you must really be a special bread of HPT. If you have a 77 year old RP taken out at this outage, how does that make you better than us?  The party isn't over quite yet friend. This whole trend started by saying that Power Plant HPT's are better than DOE HPT's. I have been both so I don't feel your argument holds water. It is a shame that the NRC doesn't feel that DOE HPT's are qualified to work the plants as Senior HPT's and that there is this line in the sand between us. Anyways, good luck in your state of the "AT" RV. I wish you all the best. If you are ever in this part of the world drop me a line and I will buy you a beer. I mean that. Maybe we will realize we are not so different after all.

[devildog]

Rad Honey? Obviously I am not a shake and baker as I am still employed here. I agree there were a ton of Burger King people out here. I like to call them "Stimulus Pukes" or "Obama Babies". We were very happy to see them leave. I don't doubt that many of them failed your precious test. I have no doubt I can work at any plant and cover any job. I was a house tech for 11 years, a Bartlett tech for 9 years, and now I have been with DOE for nearly a decade. I have worked in the real world. I do agree with you totally, there are a ton of worthless, jaded, people out here that don't have a clue. Only worked at one place taking tech smears on clean tools coming out of a CA for the last 20 years. If it took you 6 years to become a senior you must've been sitting at a step off pad getting so much experience!!! It should only take 3 years, RadHon! Oh by the way, where did you work before you became a Roadie? Sounds like you are the whiner! Good luck. If you ever come to Washington shoot me a message and we can go dig dirt together since that is all I know how to do!!! Oh and play in the sandbox at PFP!!!

[Rad Honey]

You are such a jerk. I worked here I worked there, been here for a million years, who cares. Grow up. Must be a smart and great in your own mind, if you have one

[duke99301]

ah please
all I am saying is the DOE is wasting good money on bad cover it with plastic seal it. and it will go no where they have some good people called NPOs who track the  leakers run the plants they come in every day and never heard of the big B until this site came up. oh we clean up go to  east area and tell what your going to do with the 20 navy reactors there or the the steam Gennys from surry. or the hot bunny turds

[Marlin]

 
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[GLW]

Rad Honey?....

You are such a jerk.....

Take a deep breath folks,...

devildog I don't know as far as I know, don't see any flags either,...

Rad Honey was one of my techs once upon a time, she did just fine, got that little yes check mark in the eligible for rehire box at RIF time,...

anybody in D&D is working themselves out of a job from day one, just substitute time, budget and skills for time, distance, and shielding and you'll be where you should be,...heading down the road,...eventually,...

peace,... - (lighten up already)

[turkeypoint1967]

Rad honey, lets not get carried away.  I have worked in both worlds as well.  First off, the NUF exam is no tougher that the DOE Core in my humble opinion, even less so.  I personally know several of the "burger king" techs who passed it, and were thankfull for the opportunity.  Some I was happy to see leave, some were good techs. 
As far as Hanford, it is a joke, but about like the rest of the industry, save a few places.  It is my opinion that may on this site take themselves way too seriously and should put down the crosswords and help out.  I have seen some of the worst techs in the world here at the Lazy H, but they are some of the most senior.  There are also slugs in the comercial world.  The unions are usually in charge, lets not forget.

[snowman]

Sorry, Road HP, but you are mistaken and we know what your point was. The numbers at Hanford now are actually right where they were before ARRA and that is a fact, Jack. All of the smaller companies that are being awarded subcontracts are performing work for one of the three major contracts who conduct cleanup work and they fall under the Radiation Protection program of those companies. These main companies in turn supply the RadCon management and the RCT's to perform surveillance and oversight for those subcontracts. Reason being? DOE acceptance of their RP programs and that is no small feat.

Short of a major reallignment of the moon and stars, that is how work is and will be performed at all the major DOE sites... Hanford, SRS, INL, LLNL, LANL, etc. But seeing how you've been to all the DOE sites and pulled the rods on the sun, I'm sure I'm telling you something you should know already. Have a nice day.