Women on submarines

[radbrat]

I havent read all of this thread, but does anyone remember a tug, Norfolk D/S piers circa 1976 with the zig-zag man on their smoke stack, had a crew member that could have been the poster child for breast cancer awareness?

[eaton1981]

I know this thread is a bit old, but I thought some might want to read up on the lack of responsibility  involved in this gender diversity fiasco

http://www.cmrlink.org/WomenInCombat.asp?docID=385

This "news" story is nothing but sensational reporting hype. The women on our subs are doing perfectly fine. This last year has proved unquestionably that life at sea functions equally well UNDER the surface as ABOVE it when the two genders sail together.

If you think this story has merit or value, you're a) not a submariner and/or b) have no idea about men and women working together in their 20's (aka sexist and bigoted).

Any claims that the subforce doesn't work with women as part of their crews isn't based on fact. Merely conjecture.

I taught a few of these women at the MARF plant, as well as a coule other members of this forum. The women aren't perfect by any means, but they are in many cases better than a LOT of the maleJO's I had come through my section.

[jwhite]

Women shouldn't be in any branch of the military! Period

[HydroDave63]

Women shouldn't be in any branch of the military! Period

Next thang ya know, they'll want ta wear pants, vote, drive a car and work in a nuclear power plant down in the South 

[jwhite]

Look back, things started going down hill when they gave women the right to vote.

[MacGyver]

Look back, things started going down hill when they gave women the right to vote.

Looking back ...



Seems to have worked out good for us back then too.

[DSO]

The solution is to have an all female submarine from CO down to the "seawoman" recruit. They will be responsible to fill the sea billets "only" from the female ranks so if a female at sea has female problems or gets pregnant...then a female on shore duty will get her shore duty cut short (or get temp sea duty if required) and fill her spot. I dont believe for one second that a mixture of males and females on a submarine will be anything other than what has occurred with the mix on surface ships...yea look at some of the objective data, maybe even worse in such confined quarters so lets not pretend its all good in the name of politics

[Xenon_Free]

Looking back, things started going down hill on this thread when we gave jwhite the right to post. 

Please stop posting.

XF

[Zog]

I taught a few of these women at the MARF plant, as well as a coule other members of this forum. The women aren't perfect by any means, but they are in many cases better than a LOT of the maleJO's I had come through my section.

I had the first (new) class of females at MARF, we had no idea what to expect, sure there were a few that should not have been there but same goes for the guys, but overall I was very impressed with the caliber of nuke operators that came through those first few classes at MARF.

[Ksheed]

Women shouldn't be in any branch of the military! Period

Complete nonsense. The one good looking woman (there was about 10 women total) on the boat I spent 6 months on (31st MEU) was very necessary. She was much easier on the eyes than the ugly mugs that you typically deal with on a ship. Even though I didn't have a snowball's chance in Okinawa with her, she was still nice to look at.

[HydroDave63]

Look back, things started going down hill when they gave women the right to vote.

Dare ya to say that to the lady pumping pool boxes at yer plant!

[jwhite]

She would probably do a better job than that short red headed guy that use to do it.

[Marlin]

Three women become first to qualify as sub officers

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/dec/6/three-women-become-first-qualify-sub-officers/

[retired nuke]

Three women become first to qualify as sub officers

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/dec/6/three-women-become-first-qualify-sub-officers/

Awesome...   

[Marlin]

16 out of 100 on sea duty!!!    If this is an impact on the Navy in general what is the impact to a small vessel such as a submarine?

Deployed US Navy Has A Pregnancy Problem, And It's Getting Worse

http://dailycaller.com/2017/03/01/exclusive-deployed-us-navy-has-a-pregnancy-problem-and-its-getting-worse/?utm_source=WhatCountsEmail&utm_medium=TheDC%20Morning&utm_campaign=TheDC%20Evening

[fiveeleven]

Ahoy there shipmates - Lets meet at the scuttlebutt, ingest some gnarly geedunk and up periscopes me laddies !! Fair seas and following winds, or is that fair winds and following seas? All that seafaring garble and other assorted USN benny suggs, has little to no effect on how MM2 Adams and MM3 Eves off duty PM schedules are conducted. "You want me on that wall, you need me on that wall". MM2/ELT USS Nimitz CVN-68. 80-84. BOHICA.

[RDTroja]

Ahoy there shipmates - Lets meet at the scuttlebutt, ingest some gnarly geedunk and up periscopes me laddies !! Fair seas and following winds, or is that fair winds and following seas? All that seafaring garble and other assorted USN benny suggs, has little to no effect on how MM2 Adams and MM3 Eves off duty PM schedules are conducted. "You want me on that wall, you need me on that wall". MM2/ELT USS Nimitz CVN-68. 80-84. BOHICA.

Is that going to make any sense when you sober up?

[fiveeleven]

Yellow matter custard Dripping from a dead dogs eye Crabalocker fishwife Pornographic priestess Boy, you've been a naughty girl You let your knickers down. It makes sense to me while sober, it would make sense to me if a tad starry eyed post libations. Tread litely mr. condom man, and id your target before firing. In 32 or so years, nary a once have I been within the protected area as I currently, and was, at previous post time, under the influence of anything but life and occasionally ion pairs and peroxide. If it is within your skill set to determine an individuals sobriety level based on your interpretation, understanding - or lack there of - of his written words, then perhaps CNN awaits your arrival. Good day.

[RDTroja]

I get it. Sober and still a bunch of worthless drivel. Post away.

[Marlin]

Ahoy there shipmates - Lets meet at the scuttlebutt, ingest some gnarly geedunk and up periscopes me laddies !! Fair seas and following winds, or is that fair winds and following seas? All that seafaring garble and other assorted USN benny suggs, has little to no effect on how MM2 Adams and MM3 Eves off duty PM schedules are conducted. "You want me on that wall, you need me on that wall". MM2/ELT USS Nimitz CVN-68. 80-84. BOHICA.

   Yes we need them on the wall, that is the point. If you get badly sunburned or other wise injured due to neglect you potentially can be NJPed. If you get pregnant (that removes you from sea duty for up to two years) when you know there is a long deployment coming not so much of a negligence issue but it is a readiness issue, but I think you get the idea. Most would be more responsible but that one or two on a small vessel that has a high bar for replacement would degrade readiness and morale. It is because the bar is high that many supported women on warships in the first place it doubles the pool of recruits that have the acumin to perform in an ever increasingly technological environment. Men and women may be equal but that does not mean they are the same. What happens if a female sub CO becomes pregnant just before a long deployment? Just some perspective.

[spekkio]

What happens if a female sub CO becomes pregnant just before a long deployment? Just some perspective.

This is the typical 'glass ceiling' conundrum facing almost every professional woman. You can liken this to the civilian analog question: "Why are there so few female CEOs?" At some point, women have to make a choice between career advancement and family. It's a lot tougher of a choice for most women, since they feel a greater obligation to be home to take care of children than men typically do. As a result, more women will default to 'safe' jobs that allow them to work steady but not too strenuous hours (35-45/wk realm), but there is little advancement opportunity. Men are much more willing to go for the jobs that require working unpaid overtime, weekends, holidays, etc. but have a chance at making it big.

The Navy is implementing initiatives to avoid making women make this choice, such as the career intermission program (CIP). Actually, this program always existed, but the Navy is starting to advertise it more. At some point, though, the woman has to go back to being in the Navy, and for a mother deploying with a 2 1/2 year old isn't much easier than deploying with a 6 mo old.

Bottom line though: I think a woman who makes it far enough in the Navy to a CO at sea understands her obligation to deploy as CO, and would take the required steps to avoid pregnancy.

[Marlin]

This is the typical 'glass ceiling' conundrum facing almost every professional woman. You can liken this to the civilian analog question: "Why are there so few female CEOs?" At some point, women have to make a choice between career advancement and family. It's a lot tougher of a choice for most women, since they feel a greater obligation to be home to take care of children than men typically do. As a result, more women will default to 'safe' jobs that allow them to work steady but not too strenuous hours (35-45/wk realm), but there is little advancement opportunity. Men are much more willing to go for the jobs that require working unpaid overtime, weekends, holidays, etc. but have a chance at making it big.

The Navy is implementing initiatives to avoid making women make this choice, such as the career intermission program (CIP). Actually, this program always existed, but the Navy is starting to advertise it more. At some point, though, the woman has to go back to being in the Navy, and for a mother deploying with a 2 1/2 year old isn't much easier than deploying with a 6 mo old.

Bottom line though: I think a woman who makes it far enough in the Navy to a CO at sea understands her obligation to deploy as CO, and would take the required steps to avoid pregnancy.

Good answer I agree. My statement was more devils advocate than expectation that it would occur but then there was the 0-6 Navy captain astronaut who put on a diaper and drove hundreds of miles to kidnap her romantic rival over a married man. YMMV   

[HeavyD]

Before my last deployment in 2008 (carrier), we had an E-6 ET get pregnant with her 3rd kid, about 2 months before deployment.  Both times before she had gotten pregnant within several months of her ship's scheduled deployment.  3 kids, 3 missed deployments.

Coincidence?  No way to reliably determine that she got pregnant to miss deployment, but the idea was there.  During her last pregnancy tour, her detailed told her that if she reenlisted, her only options would be something either on deployment or that was deploying within a couple of months.  She elected to leave Active Duty, at her 12 year point.

Her husband was a civilian, as another data point. 

[Chimera]

So . . . how about assigning a couple of extra Corpsmen on a surface ship and clear a space to be a daycare/nursery.  That way the career motivated pregnant sailor could stay aboard ship and complete her tour of duty before rotating to a shore billet like everyone else.  If assigned to a submarine, she would have to transfe to a surface ship since there isn't room on a submarine for a daycare/nursery.  Problem solved . . . have your cake and eat it, too.  No more "glass ceiling".  Or transfer to the Air Force where you won't mess up somebody else's shore billet rotation.

  (I was looking for a pot stirring smiley but couldn't find one)

[GLW]

So . . . how about assigning a couple of extra Corpsmen on a surface ship and clear a space to be a daycare/nursery.  That way the career motivated pregnant sailor could stay aboard ship and complete her tour of duty before rotating to a shore billet like everyone else.  If assigned to a submarine, she would have to transfe to a surface ship since there isn't room on a submarine for a daycare/nursery.  Problem solved . . . have your cake and eat it, too.  No more "glass ceiling".  Or transfer to the Air Force where you won't mess up somebody else's shore billet rotation.

  (I was looking for a pot stirring smiley but couldn't find one)

you have to click on the [more] button below the line of emoticons             


children on a warship?!?!?!


give it up, no one can wade into this cesspool and come out clean,....