Talk about Bartlett

[Roll Tide]

Hey all - this will be a Union gig - as soon as I have all the facts I will post them, hopefully that will be in the next 2 weeks - have fun creating your conspiracy theories until then. 

Eric Bartlett

At least you know your audience!

Thanks for the clarification.

[Eric_Bartlett]

At least you know your audience!

Thanks for the clarification.

No problem - hey I've been work'n with all of u long enuff now that even I'm start'n to believe all the theories - seriously though my Exelon System Manager is currently in Illinois meet'n with the various Union Buisness Managers, Officers and or Reps to hammer out all of the fine details.  I should be get'n with her by the end of next week.  As soon as I get the low down I'll be let'n ya'll know what be go'n on.   

Eric

[SloGlo]

hay!!!  eye yam gitteen my sensitivities whompt awn hare!  hail, awl eye wuz dune wuz halpeen a poscibilly disgruntled poster.  tank hebbenz eric bartlett hast lernt two right sews everybuddy kin unnerstand.

[RADBASTARD]

I remember the union thing at quad shities.They even bitched we were taken their work by making copies of survey's.
Oh yeah well we can play that game,so we bomb them with our survey's they were so swamped,they said ok you guys can make copies.
They all cry we are taking their work until it comes time to do the work,then they cry about it.

[Atomic_Punk]

Narrow minded is prob. the norm for the F-I-P's!

Hey! I thought that F-I-P thing was reserved for us Michiganders!

[Rennhack]

I've been work'n with all of u long enuff now that even I'm start'n to believe all the theories

I haven't laughed so hard in quite some time.  Thank you.

[JessJen]

hay!!!  eye yam gitteen my sensitivities whompt awn hare!  hail, awl eye wuz dune wuz halpeen a poscibilly disgruntled poster.  tank hebbenz eric bartlett hast lernt two right sews everybuddy kin unnerstand.

Hey!!! I am getting my sensitivities whompt on here! Hell, all I was doing was helping a possibly disgruntled poster.  Thank Heavens Eric Bartlett hasn't learned to write so everyone can understand.



Translations by jesjenn....for all your nukeworker translation needs

[union LB]

this will most likely end up being good for bartlett and good for the decon techs. bartlett will be able to supply experienced decon techs year round. and exelon will benefit from their experience. the decon techs that get chosen for these positions will get the benefit ofhaving year round employment. like hoppe said im sure it has to do more with pay rates and possibly getting a better product from the personnel supplied then the personnel involved that the union supplied. since i have no inside knowledge of this situation im sure they will be limited benefits for the bartlett decon techs. The bartlett techs will most likely endure a transition period where they migth meet some resistance to them taking over and whom to contact with supply issues and personnel issues that might arise. And whom their point of contacts for various issues might be.

you say experienced decon techs year round but thats not the case there was a bartlett tech at Dresden that got the job because he cut someones grass He had no EXPERIENCE the union lb there helped him get by at the outage .The union LBs have been doing the decon jobs for years . But I bet next year if BARTLETT SENDS PEOPLE LIKE THAT KID THAT DIDNT EVEN KNOW HOW TO READ THE METER THE UNION WHAT EVER IT BE LB;CARP;TEM;OP;OR IBEW LETS HIM DIG HIS OWN GRAVE BY THE WAY IM NOT A UNION LB I WAS JUST SEEING HOW MUCH PEOPLE WOULD READ INTO THE LOG IN NAME I USED 

[RRhoads]

  yOU SAY experienced decon techs year round BUT THATS NOT THE CASE THERE WAS A TECH AT DRESDEN THAT GOT THE JOB BECAUSE HE CUT ****** 'S GRASS HE HAD NO EXPERIENCE THE UNION LB THERE HELPED HIM THROW THE OUTAGE .THE UNION LB HAVE BEEN DOING THE DECON JOBS FOR YEARS . BUT I BET NEXT YEAR IF BARTLETT SENDS PEOPLE LIKE THAT KID THAT DIDNT EVEN KNOW HOW TO READ THE METER THE UNION WHAT EVER IT BE LB;CARP;TEM;OP;OR IBEW LETS HIM DIG HIS OWN GRAVE BY THE WAY IM NOT A UNION LB I WAS JUST SEEING HOW MUCH PEOPLE WOULD READ INTO THE LOG IN NAME I USED 

Thats very ignorant to judge the lot of decon techs by just 1 ..
I don't think people need to "read too much into" of what & more over, HOW you have posted on this site to get where your angle is coming from.

[Nuclear NASCAR]

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union LB, I wanted to say Thanks for editing the name that you did have in there.  It is appreciated.  If you ever have any questions don't hesitate to PM any of the friendly moderators here.  We're all here to help our fellow Nukeworkers.  Welcome to Nukeworker by the way.

[union LB]

But its not just one tech. I see were lbs do the grunt work and they do a great job. But when someone says the bartlett tech have more exp then the lbs on the job at hand thats wrong. In this area theres only a few that does the outages that keep coming back the others are new. I would think the first think you would need to know to work for a company that works at a nuke would have to be able to work a meter not just go though the moves . That why we have people getting crapped up in the the plant. tech with lack of exp

[union LB]

The old tech that keep coming back take there job to hart the new ones dont

[RRhoads]

But its not just one tech. I see were lbs do the grunt work and they do a great job. But when someone says the bartlett tech have more exp then the lbs on the job at hand thats wrong. In this area theres only a few that does the outages that keep coming back the others are new. I would think the first think you would need to know to work for a company that works at a nuke would have to be able to work a meter not just go though the moves . That why we have people getting crapped up in the the plant. tech with lack of exp

all i can say to your reply is...WOW! You really work in THIS industry??? WOW-WEE!

[Dave Warren]

Union LB: Let me explain something to you about this industry......

1. You will always have inexperienced technicians, regardless where you work.
2. Your chances of seeing one of those technicians at an Exelon site, are better than anywhere else. Exelon still takes 18.1 technicians (I think they still do), or what the union might call an apprentice. They have not become a bonafide 3.1 technician and are still in a learning phase. Due to problems with staffing, they are thrown into a role they may not be comfortable with. Flying by the seat of our pants is a way of life in an outage.
3. A Bartlett technician is no different than an Atlantic Group technician, or a SEC technician. You may see a guy working for Bartlett in March at Dresden, and then see that same guy working for the Atlantic Group in another plant, in April.
4. If you are going to participate in a discussion with a bunch of us who have been swinging a meter for 20 years, you may want to open your mind and listen to what we have to say, instead of being so defensive. We monitor this website to help people understand the good and bad of this industry, not to chastise them. We have alot of different insight to offer and are willing to share it with someone willing to listen.
5. Keep grinding whatever axe it is you have to grind, and tell your union boss, or tell the Bartlett Site Coordinator, or use your Employee Concerns option. That is your right.

[Jenerou]

I am not new to this business, but have not been here for 20 years. I was taught many things on my first "Jr" job by all different people, but started as a decon and already had some insight as to what was going on. If everybody will help one person just a little when they are new it makes a big difference. As far as having these long term jobs I think they are great and they will benefit lots of people.

[Rennhack]

Dave Warren:  The guy is refering to deconers, not HP's.

[Dave Warren]

I knew he was referring to Deconners. I just saw his many references to a "bartlett tech", and assumed he was referring to a H.P. Tech not knowing how to read a meter.

[vikingfan]

karma to you dave for pointing out that many of us have been doing this for close to 20 years and that people can learn from our experiences. While I have worked with lots of hp's and deconners that have trouble reading meters... I would also like to say not all sites qualify deconners to dose rate LLW, so in their defense if they are not properly trained they will not know how to do it.

[SloGlo]

karma to you dave for pointing out that many of us have been doing this for close to 20 years and that people can learn from our experiences. While I have worked with lots of hp's and deconners that have trouble reading meters... I would also like to say not all sites qualify deconners to dose rate LLW, so in their defense if they are not properly trained they will not know how to do it.

'n that's how you git bags marked 225 mr/hr from da s/g platform out at the equipment hatch that are actually reading 4 mr/hr w/ 12 mrad/hr net o.w. thru da bags.

[illegalsmile]

hmmmm, maybe they oughtta be havin' HP Techs dose rate the bags. That used t'be one of the things we were there for.

[Atomic_Punk]

But its not just one tech. I see were lbs do the grunt work and they do a great job. But when someone says the bartlett tech have more exp then the lbs on the job at hand thats wrong. In this area theres only a few that does the outages that keep coming back the others are new. I would think the first think you would need to know to work for a company that works at a nuke would have to be able to work a meter not just go though the moves . That why we have people getting crapped up in the the plant. tech with lack of exp

union LB,
Just because the LB's have been doing the decon work for a long time doesn't mean they've been doing it right all this time.  Give the Bartlett decon techs a chance, you might learn a thing or two.  As far as someone's "lawn boy" getting hired, that's just the nature of the beast.  Right or wrong, you're always going to have some BS politics going on in one form or another.

[vikingfan]

colonel angus I have to agree with you !! like you said just because the laborers have been doing the decon,does not mean its been done right all this time. give the bartlett decon techs a chance to offer some of their experiences from working a variety of plants. ok this is just my opinion but one of my beefs with long term decon or hp techs is that they get a sort of tunnel vision in their approach to doing things and at times are not benefited from the vast amount of experience people learn from doing things from a different approach at other plants.

[union LB]

union LB,
Just because the LB's have been doing the decon work for a long time doesn't mean they've been doing it right all this time.  Give the Bartlett decon techs a chance, you might learn a thing or two.  As far as someone's "lawn boy" getting hired, that's just the nature of the beast.  Right or wrong, you're always going to have some BS politics going on in one form or another.

Your right it don't mean there doing it right but i would think and feel safe knowing that its being done the same way it has been for years by the LB doing it with exp. And not with just a person that had no job and Bartlett picked them out of the local bar to do the cavity decon so they could mean there #'s thats what it has looked like to me . And by talking to some of the tech that is about a true statment. it's not a deal of should bartlett do the deconing or not . it's that they had to say the can do it cheaper but at what cost and what exp do you get for that price? I this see this subject has not help me with any good karma.

[union LB]

sober i be and if you ever been at a nuke plant the union laborers have LB on there hard hats  short for laborers

[RRhoads]

well here we go again...
1) if you really don't feel "safe" working at your plant when there are these "unexperienced" techs employed there, then you should probably quit & find another industry to work in...BOTTOM LINE!
2) everyone has to start somewhere...maybe the plant folks that were at your plant before YOU arrived there had the same narrow-minded attitude you have(big stretch,eh??)??
Who gave you YOUR start???
I think everyone here gets your angle but you just keep on trying to convince us that it is something other than sour grapes.
3) your karma is your own doing...nobody else. you don't like it, complain to the mirror, im sure the conversation will be a long one!